Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Suzanne,
I am offering to help with distributing plans of the Chebacco models (#540, #540RD and #702).
If you will agree, I will list them for sale on the Chebacco.com website and if I receive orders I will print out copies of the appropriate plans and keys (which I have in my files) and post them anywhere in the world, or scan and email them. I will subtract a handling fee and remit to you the rest. I am primarily interested in promoting the building of Chebaccos so anything that I can do to make it easier for builders and for you.
If this of interest please send me a message at andrew@... and we can work out the details.
Andrew Yen
Chebacco.com
Good to hear from you, David
In fact, I have left a note on your answering machine noting that the
FAX-transmission – or my aging machine – did not produce the most readable
letters when it came to the names of all three designs; one or two I could read
but not all.
So, now you have answered my inquiry and I will get back
to you.
I’ll try another FAX-machine.
Susanne
I’ll try another FAX-machine.
Susanne
Sent:Sunday, April 23, 2017 7:47 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
Susanne,
I happen to be a bit slow to take on new burdens, such as facebook, but
will do so when absolutely necessary (it's not necessary yet :o).. I did, btw,
fax you last week and am interested in buying either study plans or full plans
for three boats (Long micro, Romp and Swedish cruiser). I am now wondering if
faxing you was the best way to inquire?
Best,
David
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <philbolger@...> wrote :
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <philbolger@...> wrote :
I will have admit that I have a bunch of unanswered letters on the
desk.
And I am shrinking it...
To my surprise I recently missed that one actually had a check in it.
Odd oversight indeed.
I contacted the sender, checked whether he was still interested, then deposited the check and got the plans printed and out.
Susanne.Altenburger, PB&F
And I am shrinking it...
To my surprise I recently missed that one actually had a check in it.
Odd oversight indeed.
I contacted the sender, checked whether he was still interested, then deposited the check and got the plans printed and out.
Susanne.Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Friday, October 21, 2016 7:27 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
I've had the opposite experience, quick, thoughtful response to my questions. Facebook is handy, but it's curiously comforting to see not everybody feels obligated to participate in social media. Bill Sandifer
On Oct 21, 2016 3:03 PM, "Ed Koetsierekoetsier@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
SusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/ 2016/10/19/facebook-ad- tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Susanne,
I happen to be a bit slow to take on new burdens, such as facebook, but will do so when absolutely necessary (it's not necessary yet :o).. I did, btw, fax you last week and am interested in buying either study plans or full plans for three boats (Long micro, Romp and Swedish cruiser). I am now wondering if faxing you was the best way to inquire?
Best,
David
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <philbolger@...> wrote :
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <philbolger@...> wrote :
I will have admit that I have a bunch of unanswered letters on the
desk.
And I am shrinking it...
To my surprise I recently missed that one actually had a check in it.
Odd oversight indeed.
I contacted the sender, checked whether he was still interested, then deposited the check and got the plans printed and out.
Susanne.Altenburger, PB&F
And I am shrinking it...
To my surprise I recently missed that one actually had a check in it.
Odd oversight indeed.
I contacted the sender, checked whether he was still interested, then deposited the check and got the plans printed and out.
Susanne.Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Friday, October 21, 2016 7:27 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
I've had the opposite experience, quick, thoughtful response to my questions. Facebook is handy, but it's curiously comforting to see not everybody feels obligated to participate in social media. Bill Sandifer
On Oct 21, 2016 3:03 PM, "Ed Koetsierekoetsier@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
SusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/ 2016/10/19/facebook-ad- tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
It's Facebook in an alternate universe without the letter E.
Read Robert A Heinlein's "Number of the Beast".
Cheers
Ed
From:"david johnson djsaprophet@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Tuesday, 25 October 2016, 21:05
Subject:[bolger] Re: Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
What's facbook
What's facbook
Can we stop all this frigging to and fro about the pros and cons of facebook or yahoo. Tools are fit for purpose or they are not. People vote with their feet.
And don't make this a surrogate argument on the evils of social networking. The world is what it is.
Cheers
Ed
From:"ANDREW AIREY andyairey@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:Monday, 24 October 2016, 22:43
Subject:[bolger] Re: Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
I may be forced onto facebook for personal promotional reasons but I don't see why this group should be.It's worked perfectly well for me in it's present form and I've never had any problem in communicating with either Phil or Susanne via it.I think my friend Pete,a technophobe if ever there was one,is right when he says that modern modes of 'instant' communication make people much more difficult to get hold of.
cheers
Andrew Airey
I may be forced onto facebook for personal promotional reasons but I don't see why this group should be.It's worked perfectly well for me in it's present form and I've never had any problem in communicating with either Phil or Susanne via it.I think my friend Pete,a technophobe if ever there was one,is right when he says that modern modes of 'instant' communication make people much more difficult to get hold of.
cheers
Andrew Airey
George, I did bring up the matter with my reference to last week’s NPR
radio-show on the darker ‘underside’ of all the ‘conveniences’.
http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targetingI am glad you got another got season out of your LIGHT SCHOONER.
18 months ago I outlined the scheme of a local ‘Light Schooner League’ here
in the US’s traditional schooner-country of Gloucester and New England.
I ran the piece in MAIB of July ‘15
Sent:Sunday, October 23, 2016 2:40 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
Greetings from Traverse city
mi.,
As I put my trusty light schooner away
for the winter season , I notice that the facebook controversy invades the forum
once again. This time with more gusto and personal attacks on PBF. Not why
I joined up to this forum. I personally do not care for facebook in any form as
do many other people , deal with it. Best of luck to you Suzanne ,as for
me I will not join facebook and will be unsubscribing from this forum as
well.
Keep sailing and
building
George
On Sunday, October 23, 2016 1:23 PM, "Bill
Howard billh39@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
Email to Phil Bolger and friends has always worked for me.
Sent from my iPhone
Sent from my iPhone
A quote from wooden boat from 2011. This is a world wide problem S. You should just get Duckworths to sell the plans..
an old problem.....geting plans from Phil Bolger and Friends....any help appreciated
Hello Boaters,
Am trying to get plans of Bolgers Wyoming and accompanying manual. Faxed Phil Bolger and Friends a few weeks ago and again a few days ago. No response.
Any ideas on how to get a response? Are they, in fact, responding? What type of payment should be sent if hoping for plans?
Any and all help would be appreciated. I want to get building!
Alex in Bracebridge Ontario Canada
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 23 October 2016, 5:33
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKEd, here from my e-mail archive:FROM ED to PB&F:
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi SuzanneFirst of all. I read the post you sent after Phil had passed away.. It was the first time I had heard that Phil had died. I cried for two days on and off.. It was so sad. He was a giant intellect and a good man. I am so sorry for your loss.I am so glad I can contact you via email! (I saw your post on Bolger Yahoo.....)I am VERY eager to get the Sneakeasy II and Bee plans. I am in Australia near Melbourne. International payments are problematic.. Is there any other way I can pay you? Paypal perhaps? I will off course pay all paypal fees, if you can do it that way.By the way, have you talked further to Duckworks about them selling your plans? That would be so perfect... Or Instant boats... I mean, you know what I mean...Kind RegardsEd Koetsier
------
FROM PB&F to ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss plans.Plans for Design # 581 BEE are listed at $35.-
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.Turn-around these days should be no more than two weeks.
International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.YoursSusanne Altenburger, PB&F---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?You enquired, eventually got an answer, but then appear to not have moved on the opportunity to buy these plans.
Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.
You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.
And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:13 AMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKAnd I, am still without plans for a Bolger Bee and a Bolger Birdwatcher 2, which I started asking about in 2010.I have built Ross's excellent Flint in the meantime, but a still yearning for that Bee and that Birdwatcher 2, the bw2 being the finest designed yacht for solo seamanship ever, imho, although I never expect to have plans in my hot little hands, I have lost count of all the times I've asked about them WITH NO RESPONSE AT ALL SUSANNE.. am I shouting... ?.. YES I AM!CheersEd
From:"Sean McCambridgeseanmccambridgedesign@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 14:09
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKAgree with Leigh, 100%! While I'm all over FB, no need for everyone and everything to be there. Though I do find the idea of a Yahoo system being more secure amusing, especially given the monumental data breach they had a week or two ago! ;)tapped, not typedContinuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKMs Altenburger,This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?
What’s next ?- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKSusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Greetings from Traverse city mi.,
As I put my trusty light schooner away for the winter season , I notice that the facebook controversy invades the forum once again. This time with more gusto and personal attacks on PBF. Not why I joined up to this forum. I personally do not care for facebook in any form as do many other people , deal with it. Best of luck to you Suzanne ,as for me I will not join facebook and will be unsubscribing from this forum as well.
Keep sailing and building
George
On Sunday, October 23, 2016 1:23 PM, "Bill Howard billh39@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Email to Phil Bolger and friends has always worked for me.
Sent from my iPhone
Sent from my iPhone
A quote from wooden boat from 2011. This is a world wide problem S. You should just get Duckworths to sell the plans..
an old problem.....geting plans from Phil Bolger and Friends....any help appreciated
Hello Boaters,
Am trying to get plans of Bolgers Wyoming and accompanying manual. Faxed Phil Bolger and Friends a few weeks ago and again a few days ago. No response.
Any ideas on how to get a response? Are they, in fact, responding? What type of payment should be sent if hoping for plans?
Any and all help would be appreciated. I want to get building!
Alex in Bracebridge Ontario Canada
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 23 October 2016, 5:33
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKEd, here from my e-mail archive:FROM ED to PB&F:
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi SuzanneFirst of all. I read the post you sent after Phil had passed away.. It was the first time I had heard that Phil had died. I cried for two days on and off.. It was so sad. He was a giant intellect and a good man. I am so sorry for your loss.I am so glad I can contact you via email! (I saw your post on Bolger Yahoo.....)I am VERY eager to get the Sneakeasy II and Bee plans. I am in Australia near Melbourne. International payments are problematic.. Is there any other way I can pay you? Paypal perhaps? I will off course pay all paypal fees, if you can do it that way.By the way, have you talked further to Duckworks about them selling your plans? That would be so perfect... Or Instant boats... I mean, you know what I mean...Kind RegardsEd Koetsier
------
FROM PB&F to ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss plans.Plans for Design # 581 BEE are listed at $35.-
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.Turn-around these days should be no more than two weeks.
International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.YoursSusanne Altenburger, PB&F---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?You enquired, eventually got an answer, but then appear to not have moved on the opportunity to buy these plans.
Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.
You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.
And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:13 AMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKAnd I, am still without plans for a Bolger Bee and a Bolger Birdwatcher 2, which I started asking about in 2010.I have built Ross's excellent Flint in the meantime, but a still yearning for that Bee and that Birdwatcher 2, the bw2 being the finest designed yacht for solo seamanship ever, imho, although I never expect to have plans in my hot little hands, I have lost count of all the times I've asked about them WITH NO RESPONSE AT ALL SUSANNE.. am I shouting... ?.. YES I AM!CheersEd
From:"Sean McCambridgeseanmccambridgedesign@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 14:09
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKAgree with Leigh, 100%! While I'm all over FB, no need for everyone and everything to be there. Though I do find the idea of a Yahoo system being more secure amusing, especially given the monumental data breach they had a week or two ago! ;)tapped, not typedContinuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKMs Altenburger,This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?
What’s next ?- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKSusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Email to Phil Bolger and friends has always worked for me.
Sent from my iPhone
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 23, 2016, at 2:44 AM, Ed Koetsierekoetsier@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
A quote from wooden boat from 2011. This is a world wide problem S. You should just get Duckworths to sell the plans..
an old problem.....geting plans from Phil Bolger and Friends....any help appreciated
Hello Boaters,
Am trying to get plans of Bolgers Wyoming and accompanying manual. Faxed Phil Bolger and Friends a few weeks ago and again a few days ago. No response.
Any ideas on how to get a response? Are they, in fact, responding? What type of payment should be sent if hoping for plans?
Any and all help would be appreciated. I want to get building!
Alex in Bracebridge Ontario Canada
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 23 October 2016, 5:33
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKEd, here from my e-mail archive:FROM ED to PB&F:
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi SuzanneFirst of all. I read the post you sent after Phil had passed away.. It was the first time I had heard that Phil had died. I cried for two days on and off.. It was so sad. He was a giant intellect and a good man. I am so sorry for your loss.I am so glad I can contact you via email! (I saw your post on Bolger Yahoo.....)I am VERY eager to get the Sneakeasy II and Bee plans. I am in Australia near Melbourne. International payments are problematic.. Is there any other way I can pay you? Paypal perhaps? I will off course pay all paypal fees, if you can do it that way.By the way, have you talked further to Duckworks about them selling your plans? That would be so perfect... Or Instant boats... I mean, you know what I mean...Kind RegardsEd Koetsier
------
FROM PB&F to ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss plans.Plans for Design # 581 BEE are listed at $35.-
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.Turn-around these days should be no more than two weeks.
International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.YoursSusanne Altenburger, PB&F---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?You enquired, eventually got an answer, but then appear to not have moved on the opportunity to buy these plans.
Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.
You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.
And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:13 AMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKAnd I, am still without plans for a Bolger Bee and a Bolger Birdwatcher 2, which I started asking about in 2010.I have built Ross's excellent Flint in the meantime, but a still yearning for that Bee and that Birdwatcher 2, the bw2 being the finest designed yacht for solo seamanship ever, imho, although I never expect to have plans in my hot little hands, I have lost count of all the times I've asked about them WITH NO RESPONSE AT ALL SUSANNE.. am I shouting... ?.. YES I AM!CheersEd
From:"Sean McCambridgeseanmccambridgedesign@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 14:09
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKAgree with Leigh, 100%! While I'm all over FB, no need for everyone and everything to be there. Though I do find the idea of a Yahoo system being more secure amusing, especially given the monumental data breach they had a week or two ago! ;)tapped, not typedContinuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKMs Altenburger,This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?
What’s next ?- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKSusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Ed, since you have had the necessary information on how to buy these plans
for a good while now, it has been your choice to NOT buy e.g.
BIRDWATCHER-2.
So, my friend, fare-thee-well...
So, my friend, fare-thee-well...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:58 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
I do and I do in my Flint. But I would
rather go sailing on the Gippsland Lakes in my dream Birdwatcher 2.
That excerpt was from 2011, reported on
Wooden Boats forum, as an illustration that it was an old problem 5 years
ago.
I only suggested Duckworths as a way to
make your life easier. As it is, you have driven me away from being a pure
Bolger aficionado to being a Bolger aficionado (but no plans, despite trying) ,
Atkins, Lillistone, (and a couple others). They didn't seem to have any problems
selling me their plans. I'm currently building a Ninigret, but I'd rather be
building a Birdwatcher2, a Bee or a Micro Trawler. Alas....
Cheers
Ed
From:"philbolger@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 23 October 2016, 23:41
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Ed, no PB&F-plans via
DUCKWORKS.
No recent inquiries via FAX on WYOMING.
Perhaps you should enjoy the emerging Spring Down-Under and go boating...
No recent inquiries via FAX on WYOMING.
Perhaps you should enjoy the emerging Spring Down-Under and go boating...
Susanne
Sent:Sunday, October 23,
2016 2:44 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why
PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
A quote from wooden boat from 2011. This is a world wide problem S. You should just get Duckworths to sell the plans..
an old problem.....geting plans from Phil Bolger and Friends....any help appreciated
Hello Boaters,
Am trying to get plans of Bolgers Wyoming and accompanying manual. Faxed Phil Bolger and Friends a few weeks ago and again a few days ago. No response.
Any ideas on how to get a response? Are they, in fact, responding? What type of payment should be sent if hoping for plans?
Any and all help would be appreciated. I want to get building!
Alex in Bracebridge Ontario Canada
From:"philbolger@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 23 October 2016, 5:33
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Ed, here from my
e-mail archive:
FROM ED to PB&F:
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi Suzanne
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi Suzanne
First of all. I read the
post you sent after Phil had passed away.. It was the first time I had heard
that Phil had died. I cried for two days on and off.. It was so sad. He was a
giant intellect and a good man. I am so sorry for your
loss.
I am so glad I can contact
you via email! (I saw your post on Bolger Yahoo.....)
I am VERY eager to get the
Sneakeasy II and Bee plans. I am in Australia near Melbourne. International
payments are problematic.. Is there any other way I can pay you? Paypal perhaps?
I will off course pay all paypal fees, if you can do it that
way.
By the way, have you
talked further to Duckworks about them selling your plans? That would be so
perfect... Or Instant boats... I mean, you know what I mean...
Kind
Regards
Ed Koetsier
------
FROM PB&F to ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss plans.
------
FROM PB&F to ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss plans.
Plans for Design # 581 BEE are
listed at $35.-
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.
Turn-around these days should be
no more than two weeks.
International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.
International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.
Yours
Susanne
Altenburger, PB&F
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?
Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?
You enquired, eventually got an answer, but then appear to
not have moved on the opportunity to buy these plans.
Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.
You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.
And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.
You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.
And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:13 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
And I, am still without
plans for a Bolger Bee and a Bolger Birdwatcher 2, which I started asking about
in 2010.
I have built Ross's
excellent Flint in the meantime, but a still yearning for that Bee and that
Birdwatcher 2, the bw2 being the finest designed yacht for solo seamanship ever,
imho, although I never expect to have plans in my hot little hands, I have lost
count of all the times I've asked about them WITH NO RESPONSE AT ALL SUSANNE..
am I shouting... ?.. YES I AM!
Cheers
Ed
From:"Sean McCambridge seanmccambridgedesign@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 14:09
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Agree with Leigh,
100%! While I'm all over FB, no need for everyone and everything to be there.
Though I do find the idea of a Yahoo system being more secure amusing,
especially given the monumental data breach they had a week or two ago! ;)
tapped, not typed
Continuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKMs Altenburger,This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?
What’s next ?- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKSusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
I do and I do in my Flint. But I would rather go sailing on the Gippsland Lakes in my dream Birdwatcher 2.
That excerpt was from 2011, reported on Wooden Boats forum, as an illustration that it was an old problem 5 years ago.
I only suggested Duckworths as a way to make your life easier. As it is, you have driven me away from being a pure Bolger aficionado to being a Bolger aficionado (but no plans, despite trying) , Atkins, Lillistone, (and a couple others). They didn't seem to have any problems selling me their plans. I'm currently building a Ninigret, but I'd rather be building a Birdwatcher2, a Bee or a Micro Trawler. Alas....
Cheers
Ed
From:"philbolger@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 23 October 2016, 23:41
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Ed, no PB&F-plans via DUCKWORKS.
No recent inquiries via FAX on WYOMING.
Perhaps you should enjoy the emerging Spring Down-Under and go boating...
No recent inquiries via FAX on WYOMING.
Perhaps you should enjoy the emerging Spring Down-Under and go boating...
Susanne
Sent:Sunday, October 23, 2016 2:44 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
A quote from wooden boat from 2011. This is a world wide problem S. You should just get Duckworths to sell the plans..
an old problem.....geting plans from Phil Bolger and Friends....any help appreciated
Hello Boaters,
Am trying to get plans of Bolgers Wyoming and accompanying manual. Faxed Phil Bolger and Friends a few weeks ago and again a few days ago. No response.
Any ideas on how to get a response? Are they, in fact, responding? What type of payment should be sent if hoping for plans?
Any and all help would be appreciated. I want to get building!
Alex in Bracebridge Ontario Canada
From:"philbolger@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 23 October 2016, 5:33
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Ed, here from my e-mail
archive:
FROM ED to PB&F:
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi Suzanne
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi Suzanne
First of
all. I read the post you sent after Phil had passed away.. It was the first time
I had heard that Phil had died. I cried for two days on and off.. It was so sad.
He was a giant intellect and a good man. I am so sorry for your
loss.
I am so
glad I can contact you via email! (I saw your post on Bolger
Yahoo.....)
I am VERY
eager to get the Sneakeasy II and Bee plans. I am in Australia near Melbourne.
International payments are problematic.. Is there any other way I can pay you?
Paypal perhaps? I will off course pay all paypal fees, if you can do it that
way.
By the way,
have you talked further to Duckworks about them selling your plans? That would
be so perfect... Or Instant boats... I mean, you know what I mean...
Kind
Regards
Ed Koetsier
------
FROM PB&F to ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss plans.
------
FROM PB&F to ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss plans.
Plans for Design # 581 BEE are
listed at $35.-
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.
Turn-around these days should be
no more than two weeks.
International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.
International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.
Yours
Susanne
Altenburger, PB&F
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?
Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?
You enquired, eventually got an answer, but then appear to
not have moved on the opportunity to buy these plans.
Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.
You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.
And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.
You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.
And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:13 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
And I, am still without
plans for a Bolger Bee and a Bolger Birdwatcher 2, which I started asking about
in 2010.
I have built Ross's
excellent Flint in the meantime, but a still yearning for that Bee and that
Birdwatcher 2, the bw2 being the finest designed yacht for solo seamanship ever,
imho, although I never expect to have plans in my hot little hands, I have lost
count of all the times I've asked about them WITH NO RESPONSE AT ALL SUSANNE..
am I shouting... ?.. YES I AM!
Cheers
Ed
From:"Sean McCambridge seanmccambridgedesign@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 14:09
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Agree with Leigh,
100%! While I'm all over FB, no need for everyone and everything to be there.
Though I do find the idea of a Yahoo system being more secure amusing,
especially given the monumental data breach they had a week or two ago! ;)
tapped, not typed
Continuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKMs Altenburger,This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?
What’s next ?- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKSusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Ed, no PB&F-plans via DUCKWORKS.
No recent inquiries via FAX on WYOMING.
Perhaps you should enjoy the emerging Spring Down-Under and go boating...
No recent inquiries via FAX on WYOMING.
Perhaps you should enjoy the emerging Spring Down-Under and go boating...
Susanne
Sent:Sunday, October 23, 2016 2:44 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
A quote from wooden boat from 2011. This is a world wide problem S. You should just get Duckworths to sell the plans..
an old problem.....geting plans from Phil Bolger and Friends....any help appreciated
Hello Boaters,
Am trying to get plans of Bolgers Wyoming and accompanying manual. Faxed Phil Bolger and Friends a few weeks ago and again a few days ago. No response.
Any ideas on how to get a response? Are they, in fact, responding? What type of payment should be sent if hoping for plans?
Any and all help would be appreciated. I want to get building!
Alex in Bracebridge Ontario Canada
From:"philbolger@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 23 October 2016, 5:33
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Ed, here from my e-mail
archive:
FROM ED to PB&F:
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi Suzanne
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi Suzanne
First of
all. I read the post you sent after Phil had passed away.. It was the first time
I had heard that Phil had died. I cried for two days on and off.. It was so sad.
He was a giant intellect and a good man. I am so sorry for your
loss.
I am so
glad I can contact you via email! (I saw your post on Bolger
Yahoo.....)
I am VERY
eager to get the Sneakeasy II and Bee plans. I am in Australia near Melbourne.
International payments are problematic.. Is there any other way I can pay you?
Paypal perhaps? I will off course pay all paypal fees, if you can do it that
way.
By the way,
have you talked further to Duckworks about them selling your plans? That would
be so perfect... Or Instant boats... I mean, you know what I mean...
Kind
Regards
Ed Koetsier
------
FROM PB&F to ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss plans.
------
FROM PB&F to ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss plans.
Plans for Design # 581 BEE are
listed at $35.-
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.
Turn-around these days should be
no more than two weeks.
International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.
International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.
Yours
Susanne
Altenburger, PB&F
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?
Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?
You enquired, eventually got an answer, but then appear to
not have moved on the opportunity to buy these plans.
Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.
You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.
And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.
You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.
And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:13 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
And I, am still without
plans for a Bolger Bee and a Bolger Birdwatcher 2, which I started asking about
in 2010.
I have built Ross's
excellent Flint in the meantime, but a still yearning for that Bee and that
Birdwatcher 2, the bw2 being the finest designed yacht for solo seamanship ever,
imho, although I never expect to have plans in my hot little hands, I have lost
count of all the times I've asked about them WITH NO RESPONSE AT ALL SUSANNE..
am I shouting... ?.. YES I AM!
Cheers
Ed
From:"Sean McCambridge seanmccambridgedesign@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 14:09
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Agree with Leigh,
100%! While I'm all over FB, no need for everyone and everything to be there.
Though I do find the idea of a Yahoo system being more secure amusing,
especially given the monumental data breach they had a week or two ago! ;)
tapped, not typed
Continuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKMs Altenburger,This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?
What’s next ?- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKSusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
A quote from wooden boat from 2011. This is a world wide problem S. You should just get Duckworths to sell the plans..
an old problem.....geting plans from Phil Bolger and Friends....any help appreciated
Hello Boaters,
Am trying to get plans of Bolgers Wyoming and accompanying manual. Faxed Phil Bolger and Friends a few weeks ago and again a few days ago. No response.
Any ideas on how to get a response? Are they, in fact, responding? What type of payment should be sent if hoping for plans?
Any and all help would be appreciated. I want to get building!
Alex in Bracebridge Ontario Canada
From:"philbolger@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 23 October 2016, 5:33
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Ed, here from my e-mail archive:
FROM ED to
PB&F:
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi Suzanne
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi Suzanne
First of all. I read the post you
sent after Phil had passed away.. It was the first time I had heard that Phil
had died. I cried for two days on and off.. It was so sad. He was a giant
intellect and a good man. I am so sorry for your loss.
I am so glad I can contact you
via email! (I saw your post on Bolger Yahoo.....)
I am VERY eager to get the
Sneakeasy II and Bee plans. I am in Australia near Melbourne. International
payments are problematic.. Is there any other way I can pay you? Paypal perhaps?
I will off course pay all paypal fees, if you can do it that
way.
By the way, have you talked
further to Duckworks about them selling your plans? That would be so perfect...
Or Instant boats... I mean, you know what I mean...
Kind
Regards
Ed
Koetsier
------
FROM PB&F to ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss plans.
------
FROM PB&F to ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss plans.
Plans for Design # 581 BEE are
listed at $35.-
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.
Turn-around these days should be
no more than two weeks.
International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.
International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.
Yours
Susanne
Altenburger, PB&F
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?
Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?
You enquired, eventually got an answer, but then appear to
not have moved on the opportunity to buy these plans.
Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.
You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.
And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.
You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.
And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:13 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
And I, am still without plans for a
Bolger Bee and a Bolger Birdwatcher 2, which I started asking about in 2010.
I have built Ross's excellent Flint in
the meantime, but a still yearning for that Bee and that Birdwatcher 2, the bw2
being the finest designed yacht for solo seamanship ever, imho, although I never
expect to have plans in my hot little hands, I have lost count of all the times
I've asked about them WITH NO RESPONSE AT ALL SUSANNE.. am I shouting... ?.. YES
I AM!
Cheers
Ed
From:"Sean McCambridge seanmccambridgedesign@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 14:09
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Agree with Leigh, 100%! While I'm
all over FB, no need for everyone and everything to be there. Though I do find
the idea of a Yahoo system being more secure amusing, especially given the
monumental data breach they had a week or two ago! ;)
tapped, not typed
Continuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKMs Altenburger,This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?
What’s next ?- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKSusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Ed, here from my e-mail archive:
FROM ED to
PB&F:
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi Suzanne
First of all. I read the post you sent after Phil had passed away.. It was the first time I had heard that Phil had died. I cried for two days on and off.. It was so sad. He was a giant intellect and a good man. I am so sorry for your loss.
I am so glad I can contact you via email! (I saw your post on Bolger Yahoo.....)
I am VERY eager to get the Sneakeasy II and Bee plans. I am in Australia near Melbourne. International payments are problematic.. Is there any other way I can pay you? Paypal perhaps? I will off course pay all paypal fees, if you can do it that way.
By the way, have you talked further to Duckworks about them selling your plans? That would be so perfect... Or Instant boats... I mean, you know what I mean...
Kind Regards
Ed
Koetsier
------
FROM PB&F to
ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few
seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss
plans.
Plans for Design # 581 BEE are
listed at $35.-
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of
both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage
to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.
Turn-around these days should be
no more than two weeks.
International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made
out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.
Yours
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?
Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?
You enquired, eventually got an answer, but then appear to
not have moved on the opportunity to buy these plans.
Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.
You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.
And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.
You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.
And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:13 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
And I, am still without plans for a
Bolger Bee and a Bolger Birdwatcher 2, which I started asking about in 2010.
I have built Ross's excellent Flint in
the meantime, but a still yearning for that Bee and that Birdwatcher 2, the bw2
being the finest designed yacht for solo seamanship ever, imho, although I never
expect to have plans in my hot little hands, I have lost count of all the times
I've asked about them WITH NO RESPONSE AT ALL SUSANNE.. am I shouting... ?.. YES
I AM!
Cheers
Ed
From:"Sean McCambridge seanmccambridgedesign@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 14:09
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Agree with Leigh, 100%! While I'm
all over FB, no need for everyone and everything to be there. Though I do find
the idea of a Yahoo system being more secure amusing, especially given the
monumental data breach they had a week or two ago! ;)
tapped, not typed
Continuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKMs Altenburger,This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?
What’s next ?- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKSusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Ed, if you can find find a live specimen of the boat you like Y not take a bunch of measurements and photos and build something close enough to please you but slightly different so you can safely say it's your design. I think 20% different is legal. In fact I build everything my way anyway. I simply can't follow plans. As a boy walking railroad tracks got boring. Blessings, Chief
On Oct 22, 2016 2:15 AM, "Ed Koetsierekoetsier@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:And I, am still without plans for a Bolger Bee and a Bolger Birdwatcher 2, which I started asking about in 2010.I have built Ross's excellent Flint in the meantime, but a still yearning for that Bee and that Birdwatcher 2, the bw2 being the finest designed yacht for solo seamanship ever, imho, although I never expect to have plans in my hot little hands, I have lost count of all the times I've asked about them WITH NO RESPONSE AT ALL SUSANNE.. am I shouting... ?.. YES I AM!CheersEd
From:"Sean McCambridgeseanmccambridgedesign@gmail. com[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 14:09
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKAgree with Leigh, 100%! While I'm all over FB, no need for everyone and everything to be there. Though I do find the idea of a Yahoo system being more secure amusing, especially given the monumental data breach they had a week or two ago! ;)tapped, not typedContinuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKMs Altenburger,This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?
What’s next ?- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKSusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/ 2016/10/19/facebook-ad- tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
And I, am still without plans for a Bolger Bee and a Bolger Birdwatcher 2, which I started asking about in 2010.
I have built Ross's excellent Flint in the meantime, but a still yearning for that Bee and that Birdwatcher 2, the bw2 being the finest designed yacht for solo seamanship ever, imho, although I never expect to have plans in my hot little hands, I have lost count of all the times I've asked about them WITH NO RESPONSE AT ALL SUSANNE.. am I shouting... ?.. YES I AM!
Cheers
Ed
From:"Sean McCambridge seanmccambridgedesign@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 14:09
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Agree with Leigh, 100%! While I'm all over FB, no need for everyone and everything to be there. Though I do find the idea of a Yahoo system being more secure amusing, especially given the monumental data breach they had a week or two ago! ;)
tapped, not typed
Continuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKMs Altenburger,This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?
What’s next ?- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKSusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Agree with Leigh, 100%! While I'm all over FB, no need for everyone and everything to be there. Though I do find the idea of a Yahoo system being more secure amusing, especially given the monumental data breach they had a week or two ago! ;)
tapped, not typed
On Oct 21, 2016, at 21:01,philbolger@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Continuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKMs Altenburger,This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?
What’s next ?- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKSusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Continuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that
recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
Ms Altenburger,
This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read
your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your
decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can
also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles
and information that you provide us with on this forum.
“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?
What’s next ?- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKSusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Ms Altenburger,
This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.
On Oct 21, 2016, at 18:38,philbolger@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?
What’s next ?- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&FSent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKSusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Agreed. Have tried FB and can very much do without it.
john
On 21/10/2016 7:27 PM, 'wordzenpix .'wordzenpix@...[bolger] wrote:
I've had the opposite experience, quick, thoughtful response to my questions. Facebook is handy, but it's curiously comforting to see not everybody feels obligated to participate in social media. Bill Sandifer
On Oct 21, 2016 3:03 PM, "Ed Koetsierekoetsier@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:SusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/ 2016/10/19/facebook-ad- tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com
On Oct 21, 2016, at 18:03, Ed Koetsierekoetsier@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
SusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Ed,
Security setting do not change the fact that Facebook owns all content that is posted, just because you don't share it does not change this fact.
However Susanne,
You do not have to publish your plans on Facebook. Placing ads on Facebook does not carry the copyright to materials you have not published on Facebook. Facebook will own the content of the ad, but not the item you are selling.
Just FYI, and if you set up your own vendor server you could be selling plans without ever having to interact with the customer, meaning you just watch the money roll in. All YOU need to do is create the advertisement and do a little testing of your demographics and see which ads do the best for you.
--
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSAUSCG Captain 100 GRT, Towing and Sailing
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 21, 2016, at 7:27 PM, 'wordzenpix .'wordzenpix@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I've had the opposite experience, quick, thoughtful response to my questions. Facebook is handy, but it's curiously comforting to see not everybody feels obligated to participate in social media. Bill Sandifer
On Oct 21, 2016 3:03 PM, "Ed Koetsierekoetsier@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:SusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/ 2016/10/19/facebook-ad- tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
I will have admit that I have a bunch of unanswered letters on the
desk.
And I am shrinking it...
To my surprise I recently missed that one actually had a check in it.
Odd oversight indeed.
I contacted the sender, checked whether he was still interested, then deposited the check and got the plans printed and out.
Susanne.Altenburger, PB&F
And I am shrinking it...
To my surprise I recently missed that one actually had a check in it.
Odd oversight indeed.
I contacted the sender, checked whether he was still interested, then deposited the check and got the plans printed and out.
Susanne.Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Friday, October 21, 2016 7:27 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
I've had the opposite experience, quick, thoughtful response to my questions. Facebook is handy, but it's curiously comforting to see not everybody feels obligated to participate in social media. Bill Sandifer
On Oct 21, 2016 3:03 PM, "Ed Koetsierekoetsier@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
SusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/ 2016/10/19/facebook-ad- tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
I've had the opposite experience, quick, thoughtful response to my questions. Facebook is handy, but it's curiously comforting to see not everybody feels obligated to participate in social media. Bill Sandifer
On Oct 21, 2016 3:03 PM, "Ed Koetsierekoetsier@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:SusanneYou select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.Ed
From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOKHello All.This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/ 2016/10/19/facebook-ad- tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Well, Ed, a lot of folks do ‘stuff’ I‘d rather not be anywhere near
of.
Except here, there is no quick fix/pill/shot to overcome the uglies related to FB.
If I can help it, I will not bathe in that ‘marinade’.
You may be perfectly comfy in it.
Question of course is why ??
The costs to you and yours are crushing...but as long as you’re comfy perhaps then...
About your much broader scope on ‘antichrist’ visions, no comment.
This office however is hard- and software-wise reasonably up-to-date in 2016, just without FACEBOOK... plus without a few other ‘no-go-zones’ and ‘will-not-indulge-in’ temptations...
Looking at my (possibly limited) e-mail tree from yousince well before Phil’s death, you enquired starting in early Sept. of 2014 about 3 designs, got answers about two, with me not knowing why I did not respond to the third, but also seeing no follow-up by you to nudge me about the third.
You may have sent letters... And, again, my e-mail files may be incomplete.
Finally, and forgive my chuckling here, Phil would have little patience with your approach here and personal online-preferences in general.
Remember that he carried the Libertarian Party Membership Card with a very low number on it.
Ergo, no submissiveness on his part to any voluntary level of intrusiveness like FB - which makes good ol’ J.Edgar Hoover look like a 3.5 (out of 5) –Star Civil Libertarian.
Of course, your political-cultural reference points may well be at distinct variance with such sensitivities.
At any rate, no PB&F with PB&F on FB.
And don’t forget that our stuff is ours...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Except here, there is no quick fix/pill/shot to overcome the uglies related to FB.
If I can help it, I will not bathe in that ‘marinade’.
You may be perfectly comfy in it.
Question of course is why ??
The costs to you and yours are crushing...but as long as you’re comfy perhaps then...
About your much broader scope on ‘antichrist’ visions, no comment.
This office however is hard- and software-wise reasonably up-to-date in 2016, just without FACEBOOK... plus without a few other ‘no-go-zones’ and ‘will-not-indulge-in’ temptations...
Looking at my (possibly limited) e-mail tree from yousince well before Phil’s death, you enquired starting in early Sept. of 2014 about 3 designs, got answers about two, with me not knowing why I did not respond to the third, but also seeing no follow-up by you to nudge me about the third.
You may have sent letters... And, again, my e-mail files may be incomplete.
Finally, and forgive my chuckling here, Phil would have little patience with your approach here and personal online-preferences in general.
Remember that he carried the Libertarian Party Membership Card with a very low number on it.
Ergo, no submissiveness on his part to any voluntary level of intrusiveness like FB - which makes good ol’ J.Edgar Hoover look like a 3.5 (out of 5) –Star Civil Libertarian.
Of course, your political-cultural reference points may well be at distinct variance with such sensitivities.
At any rate, no PB&F with PB&F on FB.
And don’t forget that our stuff is ours...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:47 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
Wow. Wonder of wonders!. An email from
Susanne. I listen to npr all the time here in Australia. Although the are a bit
left leaning, they are pretty good. But I'm over all this evil facebook shit. If
we are in dodoo, 500 MILLION people are right there with us. So google, facebook
and microsoft are all the antichrist... Give me a break.
From:"philbolger@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 9:38
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.
So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days
utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?
What’s next ?
What’s next ?
- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F
does not do FACEBOOK
Susanne
You select
you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is
beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether
you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my
inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a
roadblock.
Ed
From:"philbolger@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Hello All.
This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms
the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards
FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.
But between an
apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for
our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive
confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.
The heavy-lifting
project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by
step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Wow. Wonder of wonders!. An email from Susanne. I listen to npr all the time here in Australia. Although the are a bit left leaning, they are pretty good. But I'm over all this evil facebook shit. If we are in dodoo, 500 MILLION people are right there with us. So google, facebook and microsoft are all the antichrist... Give me a break.
From:"philbolger@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 9:38
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
“....You select you own security in facebook.
..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.
So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days
utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness
?
What’s next ?
What’s next ?
- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
Susanne
You select you own
security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside
the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you
like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my
inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a
roadblock.
Ed
From:"philbolger@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Hello All.
This
nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the
challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.
But between an apparent ‘wall’
against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good
friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.
The heavy-lifting project of
securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
“....You select you own security in facebook.
..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...
Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.
How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.
So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days
utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness
?
What’s next ?
What’s next ?
- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ??
I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...
So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats.
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do
FACEBOOK
Susanne
You select you own
security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside
the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you
like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my
inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a
roadblock.
Ed
From:"philbolger@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Hello All.
This
nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the
challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.
But between an apparent ‘wall’
against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good
friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.
The heavy-lifting project of
securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Susanne
You select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.
Ed
From:"philbolger@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
Hello All.
This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR
radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in
and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.
But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness
to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of
those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.
The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive
continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Hello All.
This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR
radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in
and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.
I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.
But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness
to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of
those very expensive confines.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.
Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.
The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive
continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Etc. Etc.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F