Re: [bolger] Good Wood
Warren, If it has acorns, my guess would be some type of oak.
The question is, can you get it sawed? Most saw mills won't touch
"yard" grown wood. This is due to the probability of nails being buried
in the wood from yard sale signs etc. over the years. I hope this helps.
Stan, Snow Goose
The question is, can you get it sawed? Most saw mills won't touch
"yard" grown wood. This is due to the probability of nails being buried
in the wood from yard sale signs etc. over the years. I hope this helps.
Stan, Snow Goose
Hi Chris, I think you can find construction grade spruce in your area if you call some of the larger lumber yards. I am in extreme south FL. and farther than you from where it grows. Anyway if you can find it in 2x6 16' long and they will let you go through the stack and pick what you want you should be able to find one or two that will yield a 3.5"x2" nearly clear. look for those with all the defects to one side of center. Check the straightness as well. I have used this for a lot of spars and find I can almost always find a few god ones. Regards, - Frank
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Chris,
If this drought holds you can drive south and find some good live oak that
is killed by the dry weather. They took a beating 2 years ago this year
may kill a bunch of them.
There is not any good local good soft wood. If you check wiht farmers
there are a lot of old black locust post lots that have some pretty good
trees in them.
If you a looking for core material for stripper catalpa is a light rot
resistant wood grown in post lots. It is not very strong and is brittle
but it is almost rot proof.
If you really need rot proof wood you can find some Osage Orange trees
that are rot proof. Mill this green or not at all it cures like steel.
If you go east you can probably find Cyprus just before you get to
Louisiana.
There should be some passable boat lumber on the coast but it will be just
so so at best at least that's all I ever saw. Mostly to repair commercial
boats.
Gordon
Gordon Cougergcouger@...
Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger
405 624-2855�� GMT -6:00
----- Original Message -----
From: <chris@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:49 AM
Subject: [bolger] Good Wood
>
> Hello Group,
>
> I'm still in the early stages of my restoration project sanding,
> patching, and acquiring supplies.
> I live in the burbs of Dallas Texas, and can't seem to get my
> hands
> on "good wood".
> Payson calls for the use of Spruce or Fur as Tiny Cat's
> 15'4" mast.
> My Pop originally used pine and it eventually failed (more like
> snapped).
> What I'm looking for is 4x4x16 clear tight grained stock.
> I have called about and found no spruce, and limited fur.
> The fur they had in 4x4 was of very poor quality.
> The best candidate is a 6x6x17 fur, seems like an excessive waste of
> good wood?
>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> -Chris
>
>
>
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Warren,
Take a small branch to a good nursery and ask for a positive ID.
Once you have a confirmed genus and species, researching the woods
characteristics will be easy.
Rick
Take a small branch to a good nursery and ask for a positive ID.
Once you have a confirmed genus and species, researching the woods
characteristics will be easy.
Rick
>tree".
> In my front yard I have what is called locally an "olive
> I don't know what this tree "really" is.Anyone
> have any opinions?
>
>
To all:
In my front yard I have what is called locally an "olive tree". It does
not produce olives, but the seeds have the appearance of acorns with 90
percent Top and little of the actual hard "nut" showing. Leaves are
eliptical, 3/4 inch wide and almost 2 1/2 inches long. Bark is dark, with a
deep, rough, pattern. The wood, when cut and dried is slightly green"ish" is
color, very dense and hard. I think this would be a very desirable wood
where ultimate strength is called for. I am told that in areas of Africa.
olive is considered a very desirable boatbuilding wood. However, with the
difference in common names, I don't know what this tree "really" is. Anyone
have any opinions?
Since these trees are now becoming large after 15 or so years since the
homes were built, a number of neighbors are cutting them down. If the wood
is really desirable, I could probably come up with enough wood for knees and
other reinforcements, but the question is really "what is it"
Best regards, Warren
In my front yard I have what is called locally an "olive tree". It does
not produce olives, but the seeds have the appearance of acorns with 90
percent Top and little of the actual hard "nut" showing. Leaves are
eliptical, 3/4 inch wide and almost 2 1/2 inches long. Bark is dark, with a
deep, rough, pattern. The wood, when cut and dried is slightly green"ish" is
color, very dense and hard. I think this would be a very desirable wood
where ultimate strength is called for. I am told that in areas of Africa.
olive is considered a very desirable boatbuilding wood. However, with the
difference in common names, I don't know what this tree "really" is. Anyone
have any opinions?
Since these trees are now becoming large after 15 or so years since the
homes were built, a number of neighbors are cutting them down. If the wood
is really desirable, I could probably come up with enough wood for knees and
other reinforcements, but the question is really "what is it"
Best regards, Warren
Gordon's comment of, "If you really need rot proof wood you can find
some Osage Orange trees that are rot proof. Mill this green or not at
all it cures like steel." puts this almost on topic.
A friend of mine, an old timer, made a gun stock of Osage Orange,
which grows like a weed in the hedge rows here in Missouri. When
finished, it was the nastiest color yellow that you ever saw. After
about 6 months, it turned into the richest cherry/walnut color that you
can imagine. So, if you are to use it, plan to let it set for a while
and then finish it off with varnish, it will be beautiful!
Stan, Snow Goose
some Osage Orange trees that are rot proof. Mill this green or not at
all it cures like steel." puts this almost on topic.
A friend of mine, an old timer, made a gun stock of Osage Orange,
which grows like a weed in the hedge rows here in Missouri. When
finished, it was the nastiest color yellow that you ever saw. After
about 6 months, it turned into the richest cherry/walnut color that you
can imagine. So, if you are to use it, plan to let it set for a while
and then finish it off with varnish, it will be beautiful!
Stan, Snow Goose
Chris,
If this drought holds you can drive south and find some good live oak that
is killed by the dry weather. They took a beating 2 years ago this year
may kill a bunch of them.
There is not any good local good soft wood. If you check wiht farmers
there are a lot of old black locust post lots that have some pretty good
trees in them.
If you a looking for core material for stripper catalpa is a light rot
resistant wood grown in post lots. It is not very strong and is brittle
but it is almost rot proof.
If you really need rot proof wood you can find some Osage Orange trees
that are rot proof. Mill this green or not at all it cures like steel.
If you go east you can probably find Cyprus just before you get to
Louisiana.
There should be some passable boat lumber on the coast but it will be just
so so at best at least that's all I ever saw. Mostly to repair commercial
boats.
Gordon
Gordon Cougergcouger@...
Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger
405 624-2855 GMT -6:00
If this drought holds you can drive south and find some good live oak that
is killed by the dry weather. They took a beating 2 years ago this year
may kill a bunch of them.
There is not any good local good soft wood. If you check wiht farmers
there are a lot of old black locust post lots that have some pretty good
trees in them.
If you a looking for core material for stripper catalpa is a light rot
resistant wood grown in post lots. It is not very strong and is brittle
but it is almost rot proof.
If you really need rot proof wood you can find some Osage Orange trees
that are rot proof. Mill this green or not at all it cures like steel.
If you go east you can probably find Cyprus just before you get to
Louisiana.
There should be some passable boat lumber on the coast but it will be just
so so at best at least that's all I ever saw. Mostly to repair commercial
boats.
Gordon
Gordon Cougergcouger@...
Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger
405 624-2855 GMT -6:00
----- Original Message -----
From: <chris@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:49 AM
Subject: [bolger] Good Wood
>
> Hello Group,
>
> I'm still in the early stages of my restoration project sanding,
> patching, and acquiring supplies.
> I live in the burbs of Dallas Texas, and can't seem to get my
> hands
> on "good wood".
> Payson calls for the use of Spruce or Fur as Tiny Cat's
> 15'4" mast.
> My Pop originally used pine and it eventually failed (more like
> snapped).
> What I'm looking for is 4x4x16 clear tight grained stock.
> I have called about and found no spruce, and limited fur.
> The fur they had in 4x4 was of very poor quality.
> The best candidate is a 6x6x17 fur, seems like an excessive waste of
> good wood?
>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> -Chris
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
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>
>Stan:
> It should read, "always buy the longest stock"
>
I thought you meant you butted it with your head to test it for solidity.
Chuck
It should read, "always buy the longest stock"
I don't know how it is where you are, but around here (Missouri) I
always but the longest stock 2x4 and 2x6's I can get. you pay a slight
premium, but overall they are a much better grade of wood.
Stan, Snow Goose.
always but the longest stock 2x4 and 2x6's I can get. you pay a slight
premium, but overall they are a much better grade of wood.
Stan, Snow Goose.
I'm with you Jamie,
Another point. It's just about impossible to find a 4x4 that has the
heart of the tree running up the center. When it runs diagonally (or
"runs out" as they say) it can cause eventual bowing, so laminating
avoids that.
Any one ever cut a 2x6 into two long tapering triangles then flop and
glue them? Seems it would work if you only need 3" diameter at the base?
Wondering.
David Beede
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Another point. It's just about impossible to find a 4x4 that has the
heart of the tree running up the center. When it runs diagonally (or
"runs out" as they say) it can cause eventual bowing, so laminating
avoids that.
Any one ever cut a 2x6 into two long tapering triangles then flop and
glue them? Seems it would work if you only need 3" diameter at the base?
Wondering.
David Beede
"Orr, Jamie" wrote:
>--
>
> Try looking for a couple of good 2 x 6 's. Either fir or spruce should be
> available if you check enough lumber yards as they are standard construction
> stuff. Glue them together to make up the thickness then treat as a solid
> piece. Gluing also helps deal with knots, as they don't go through the
> whole mast, only half way at most.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Jamie Orr
> -----Original Message-----
> From:chris@...[mailto:chris@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:50 AM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Good Wood
>
> Hello Group,
>
> I'm still in the early stages of my restoration project sanding,
> patching, and acquiring supplies.
> I live in the burbs of Dallas Texas, and can't seem to get my
> hands
> on "good wood".
> Payson calls for the use of Spruce or Fur as Tiny Cat's
> 15'4" mast.
> My Pop originally used pine and it eventually failed (more like
> snapped).
> What I'm looking for is 4x4x16 clear tight grained stock.
> I have called about and found no spruce, and limited fur.
> The fur they had in 4x4 was of very poor quality.
> The best candidate is a 6x6x17 fur, seems like an excessive waste of
> good wood?
>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> -Chris
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
SOME CLICKS THAT COUNT!!
Feed someone.
http://www.thehungersite.com/
Save a little rain forest.
http://rainforest.care2.com/front.html/player12296
Simplicity Boats (& mirror sites)
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/index.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/index.html
Here's my latest boat:
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/summerbreeze.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/summerbreeze.html
Quasi esoteric musical instruments
http://unicornstrings.com
Try looking for a couple of good 2 x 6 's. Either fir or spruce should be
available if you check enough lumber yards as they are standard construction
stuff. Glue them together to make up the thickness then treat as a solid
piece. Gluing also helps deal with knots, as they don't go through the
whole mast, only half way at most.
Good luck.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From:chris@...[mailto:chris@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:50 AM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Good Wood
Hello Group,
I'm still in the early stages of my restoration project sanding,
patching, and acquiring supplies.
I live in the burbs of Dallas Texas, and can't seem to get my
hands
on "good wood".
Payson calls for the use of Spruce or Fur as Tiny Cat's
15'4" mast.
My Pop originally used pine and it eventually failed (more like
snapped).
What I'm looking for is 4x4x16 clear tight grained stock.
I have called about and found no spruce, and limited fur.
The fur they had in 4x4 was of very poor quality.
The best candidate is a 6x6x17 fur, seems like an excessive waste of
good wood?
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
-Chris
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
available if you check enough lumber yards as they are standard construction
stuff. Glue them together to make up the thickness then treat as a solid
piece. Gluing also helps deal with knots, as they don't go through the
whole mast, only half way at most.
Good luck.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From:chris@...[mailto:chris@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:50 AM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Good Wood
Hello Group,
I'm still in the early stages of my restoration project sanding,
patching, and acquiring supplies.
I live in the burbs of Dallas Texas, and can't seem to get my
hands
on "good wood".
Payson calls for the use of Spruce or Fur as Tiny Cat's
15'4" mast.
My Pop originally used pine and it eventually failed (more like
snapped).
What I'm looking for is 4x4x16 clear tight grained stock.
I have called about and found no spruce, and limited fur.
The fur they had in 4x4 was of very poor quality.
The best candidate is a 6x6x17 fur, seems like an excessive waste of
good wood?
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
-Chris
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.