Re: [bolger] LIGHT SCHOONER-Mk.2

here are a few pics you may enjoy. Homebuilt trailer (by me, was an old camper) works great. Takes me under an hour to make it ready to sail. I started with a damaged bare hull originally built in the late 70s. Everything else built by myself including the blocks and sails which are 8 oz canvas. Built for fun not racing. My first attempt at doing a boat. Canvas bags hold first aid kit, 2 70 pound sandbags,fishing poles or emergency buoy,  personal effects and the largest bag is for the staysail ready to hook up. Not too bad considering a total investment under $500.00, by doing all the labor myself(retirement has its good points) and using  reclaimed lumber. proof that Bolger designs are flexible. Take care
George scheck


On Sunday, October 23, 2016 3:18 PM, "philbolger@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
George,
here from that MAIB piece, where I cited language I spread around town here and there on a nicely-illustrated four-pager with plenty of pictures and drawings of #395:

” 
·        Schooners are very ‘Gloucester’, very ‘Cape Ann’, indeed very ‘New England’. 
·        These ‘Light Schooners’ by Gloucester’s own Philip C. Bolger (his Design #395) are affordable, buildable by
      its crews, very trailerable, can be made to go quite fast, and can be camp-cruised with some family and friends.  
      2015 (W.A.G) Cost ready-to-sail-on-trailer between $4-6000.- - if home-built/club-built/neighborhood-built.
·        All built alike to the same plans, without ‘Unobtainium’, Carbon-Nano trinkets, and other budget-busters.
·        Instead, US-grown and -milled trees for spars, plywood, plus epoxy, fiberglass, paint along with locally- 
      sown plain Dacron sails – all to keep her simple, buildable, repairable, affordable, and as local as possible.

·        With several in just Gloucester, there could be Weekly Racing through the Inner and Outer Harbor.
·        Every one of our 4 local Yacht-Clubs should have at least one, adding to the competition.

·        Word will get around to Manchester, Beverly, Marblehead etc. all the way to Lynn and Newburyport.
·        Thus is born the“North Shore Light Schooner League”.
·        Each community that has one or some Light Schooners would host a race.
·        While local crews would know their winds and waters best, sailing elsewhere balances things.
·        A well-crafted Sailing-Schedule with ever moving locations would keep the optional racing competitive.
·        Throughout the summer every Weekend could see these pretty nautical visions sail in company, if not race. 
·        While racing is inevitable,Repeat-Offending Obnoxious Kill-Joy ‘Sea-Lawyers’ would be ostracized into some
      soulless plastic boat without any romance, no heart, nor pride of builder-ship – to be a ‘nautical Pariah’.   

·        Several times a year a few or much of the fleet would cruise in company, overnight and over a week or more.
‘Light Schooners’ should be able to sleep one adult and two junior deck-hands under two boom-tents. 

Mk.2 versionof her will see added akick-up rudder,a centerboardinstead of the dagger-board, a somewhatquieter bow, at leasttwo pairs of oar-locks for rowingher, and moreamenities supporting staying aboard her overnightfor routine overnight stays and camp-cruising under boom-tents withall provisions, galley and headergonomically located and securely stowed aboard as a matter of course.

Go look up what the word ‘Schooner’ actually means ! And why the rig is so handy !
And study up on who Phil Bolger was… “                           

Best thing would be to build one and show up with it everywhere it matters here on the MA Northshore.
Enough Yacht-Clubs here for starters, then YMCA cork-boards, a community-parade or two, Highschool shop-classes etc.

If there was not so much more stuff to get done first...
 
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

         
 
Sent:Sunday, October 23, 2016 3:03 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK/LIGHT SCHOONER
 
 
... this one went out without much intent, since unfinished.
Here the reference  to MAIB Vol. 33 #3, pp. 48-50.
 
Next year I might be able to pursue this with more focus.
In fact I should have my own, except that I’d want mine to fold from 23’+ to nearer 12’ on the trailer.
 
Have you gone ‘cruising’ her ?
 
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
 
 
Sent:Sunday, October 23, 2016 2:58 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
George, I did bring up the matter with my reference to last week’s NPR radio-show on the darker ‘underside’ of all the ‘conveniences’.
http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
 
I am glad you got another got season out of your LIGHT SCHOONER.
18 months ago I outlined the scheme of a local ‘Light Schooner League’ here in the US’s traditional schooner-country of Gloucester and New England.
I ran the piece in MAIB of July ‘15
 
Sent:Sunday, October 23, 2016 2:40 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Greetings from Traverse city mi.,
As I put my trusty light schooner away for the winter season , I notice that the facebook controversy invades the forum once again. This time with more gusto and personal attacks  on PBF. Not why I joined up to this forum. I personally do not care for facebook in any form as do many other people , deal with it.  Best of luck to you Suzanne ,as for me I will not join facebook and will be unsubscribing from this forum as well.
Keep sailing and building
George



On Sunday, October 23, 2016 1:23 PM, "Bill Howard billh39@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Email to Phil Bolger and friends has always worked for me.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2016, at 2:44 AM, Ed Koetsierekoetsier@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

A quote from wooden boat from 2011.  This is a world wide problem S. You should just get Duckworths to sell the plans..

an old problem.....geting plans from Phil Bolger and Friends....any help appreciated

Hello Boaters,

Am trying to get plans of Bolgers Wyoming and accompanying manual. Faxed Phil Bolger and Friends a few weeks ago and again a few days ago. No response.

Any ideas on how to get a response? Are they, in fact, responding? What type of payment should be sent if hoping for plans?

Any and all help would be appreciated. I want to get building!

Alex in Bracebridge Ontario Canada


From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 23 October 2016, 5:33
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Ed, here from my e-mail archive:

FROM ED to PB&F:
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi Suzanne
First of all. I read the post you sent after Phil had passed away.. It was the first time I had heard that Phil had died. I cried for two days on and off.. It was so sad. He was a giant intellect and a good man. I am so sorry for your loss.
I am so glad I can contact you via email! (I saw your post on Bolger Yahoo.....)
I am VERY eager to get the Sneakeasy II and Bee plans. I am in Australia near Melbourne. International payments are problematic.. Is there any other way I can pay you? Paypal perhaps? I will off course pay all paypal fees, if you can do it that way.
By the way, have you talked further to Duckworks about them selling your plans? That would be so perfect... Or Instant boats... I mean, you know what I mean...
Kind Regards
Ed Koetsier

------

FROM PB&F to ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss plans.
Plans for Design # 581 BEE are listed at $35.-
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.
Turn-around these days should be no more than two weeks.

International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.
 
Yours
       Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?
You enquired, eventually got an answer, but then appear to not have moved on the opportunity to buy these plans.

Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.


You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.

And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...


Susanne Altenburger, PB&F 


Sent:Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:13 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
And I, am still without plans for a Bolger Bee and a Bolger Birdwatcher 2, which I started asking about in 2010.
I have built Ross's excellent Flint in the meantime, but a still yearning for that Bee and that Birdwatcher 2, the bw2 being the finest designed yacht for solo seamanship ever, imho, although I never expect to have plans in my hot little hands, I have lost count of all the times I've asked about them WITH NO RESPONSE AT ALL SUSANNE.. am I shouting... ?.. YES I AM!
Cheers
Ed 


From:"Sean McCambridgeseanmccambridgedesign@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 14:09
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Agree with Leigh, 100%! While I'm all over FB, no need for everyone and everything to be there. Though I do find the idea of a Yahoo system being more secure amusing, especially given the monumental data breach they had a week or two ago! ;)

 
 
tapped, not typed

On Oct 21, 2016, at 21:01,philbolger@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Continuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
 
Sent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Ms Altenburger,
 
This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.
 
Regards

Leigh Ross
 
484-464-1575 (C)
 
 

On Oct 21, 2016, at 18:38,philbolger@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...

Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.

How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.
So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?

What’s next ?
- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ?? 

I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...

So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats. 
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

 
Sent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Susanne
You select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.
Ed


From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Hello All.
     This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.

I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.
But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.

Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.
The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

  










George,
here from that MAIB piece, where I cited language I spread around town here and there on a nicely-illustrated four-pager with plenty of pictures and drawings of #395:

” 

·        Schooners are very ‘Gloucester’, very ‘Cape Ann’, indeed very ‘New England’. 

·        These ‘Light Schooners’ by Gloucester’s own Philip C. Bolger (his Design #395) are affordable, buildable by
      its crews, very trailerable, can be made to go quite fast, and can be camp-cruised with some family and friends.  
      2015 (W.A.G) Cost ready-to-sail-on-trailer between $4-6000.- - if home-built/club-built/neighborhood-built.

·        All built alike to the same plans, without ‘Unobtainium’, Carbon-Nano trinkets, and other budget-busters.

·        Instead, US-grown and -milled trees for spars, plywood, plus epoxy, fiberglass, paint along with locally- 
      sown plain Dacron sails – all to keep her simple, buildable, repairable, affordable, and as local as possible.

·        With several in just Gloucester, there could be Weekly Racing through the Inner and Outer Harbor.

·        Every one of our 4 local Yacht-Clubs should have at least one, adding to the competition.

·        Word will get around to Manchester, Beverly, Marblehead etc. all the way to Lynn and Newburyport.

·        Thus is born the“North Shore Light Schooner League”.

·        Each community that has one or some Light Schooners would host a race.

·        While local crews would know their winds and waters best, sailing elsewhere balances things.

·        A well-crafted Sailing-Schedule with ever moving locations would keep the optional racing competitive.

·        Throughout the summer every Weekend could see these pretty nautical visions sail in company, if not race. 

·        While racing is inevitable,Repeat-Offending Obnoxious Kill-Joy ‘Sea-Lawyers’ would be ostracized into some
      soulless plastic boat without any romance, no heart, nor pride of builder-ship – to be a ‘nautical Pariah’.   

·        Several times a year a few or much of the fleet would cruise in company, overnight and over a week or more.

‘Light Schooners’ should be able to sleep one adult and two junior deck-hands under two boom-tents. 

Mk.2 versionof her will see added akick-up rudder,a centerboardinstead of the dagger-board, a somewhatquieter bow, at leasttwo pairs of oar-locks for rowingher, and moreamenities supporting staying aboard her overnightfor routine overnight stays and camp-cruising under boom-tents withall provisions, galley and headergonomically located and securely stowed aboard as a matter of course.


Go look up what the word ‘Schooner’ actually means ! And why the rig is so handy !
And study up on who Phil Bolger was… “ 
                          

Best thing would be to build one and show up with it everywhere it matters here on the MA Northshore.
Enough Yacht-Clubs here for starters, then YMCA cork-boards, a community-parade or two, Highschool shop-classes etc.

If there was not so much more stuff to get done first...
 
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

         
 
Sent:Sunday, October 23, 2016 3:03 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK/LIGHT SCHOONER
 
 

... this one went out without much intent, since unfinished.
Here the reference  to MAIB Vol. 33 #3, pp. 48-50.
 
Next year I might be able to pursue this with more focus.
In fact I should have my own, except that I’d want mine to fold from 23’+ to nearer 12’ on the trailer.
 
Have you gone ‘cruising’ her ?
 
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
 
 
Sent:Sunday, October 23, 2016 2:58 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
George, I did bring up the matter with my reference to last week’s NPR radio-show on the darker ‘underside’ of all the ‘conveniences’.
http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
 
I am glad you got another got season out of your LIGHT SCHOONER.
18 months ago I outlined the scheme of a local ‘Light Schooner League’ here in the US’s traditional schooner-country of Gloucester and New England.
I ran the piece in MAIB of July ‘15
 
Sent:Sunday, October 23, 2016 2:40 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 

Greetings from Traverse city mi.,
As I put my trusty light schooner away for the winter season , I notice that the facebook controversy invades the forum once again. This time with more gusto and personal attacks  on PBF. Not why I joined up to this forum. I personally do not care for facebook in any form as do many other people , deal with it.  Best of luck to you Suzanne ,as for me I will not join facebook and will be unsubscribing from this forum as well.
Keep sailing and building
George



On Sunday, October 23, 2016 1:23 PM, "Bill Howard billh39@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Email to Phil Bolger and friends has always worked for me.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2016, at 2:44 AM, Ed Koetsierekoetsier@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

A quote from wooden boat from 2011.  This is a world wide problem S. You should just get Duckworths to sell the plans..

an old problem.....geting plans from Phil Bolger and Friends....any help appreciated

Hello Boaters,

Am trying to get plans of Bolgers Wyoming and accompanying manual. Faxed Phil Bolger and Friends a few weeks ago and again a few days ago. No response.

Any ideas on how to get a response? Are they, in fact, responding? What type of payment should be sent if hoping for plans?

Any and all help would be appreciated. I want to get building!

Alex in Bracebridge Ontario Canada


From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 23 October 2016, 5:33
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Ed, here from my e-mail archive:

FROM ED to PB&F:
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi Suzanne
First of all. I read the post you sent after Phil had passed away.. It was the first time I had heard that Phil had died. I cried for two days on and off.. It was so sad. He was a giant intellect and a good man. I am so sorry for your loss.
I am so glad I can contact you via email! (I saw your post on Bolger Yahoo.....)
I am VERY eager to get the Sneakeasy II and Bee plans. I am in Australia near Melbourne. International payments are problematic.. Is there any other way I can pay you? Paypal perhaps? I will off course pay all paypal fees, if you can do it that way.
By the way, have you talked further to Duckworks about them selling your plans? That would be so perfect... Or Instant boats... I mean, you know what I mean...
Kind Regards
Ed Koetsier

------

FROM PB&F to ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss plans.
Plans for Design # 581 BEE are listed at $35.-
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.
Turn-around these days should be no more than two weeks.

International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.
 
Yours
       Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?
You enquired, eventually got an answer, but then appear to not have moved on the opportunity to buy these plans.

Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.


You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.

And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...


Susanne Altenburger, PB&F 
Sent:Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:13 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
And I, am still without plans for a Bolger Bee and a Bolger Birdwatcher 2, which I started asking about in 2010.
I have built Ross's excellent Flint in the meantime, but a still yearning for that Bee and that Birdwatcher 2, the bw2 being the finest designed yacht for solo seamanship ever, imho, although I never expect to have plans in my hot little hands, I have lost count of all the times I've asked about them WITH NO RESPONSE AT ALL SUSANNE.. am I shouting... ?.. YES I AM!
Cheers
Ed 


From:"Sean McCambridgeseanmccambridgedesign@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 14:09
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Agree with Leigh, 100%! While I'm all over FB, no need for everyone and everything to be there. Though I do find the idea of a Yahoo system being more secure amusing, especially given the monumental data breach they had a week or two ago! ;)

 
 
tapped, not typed

On Oct 21, 2016, at 21:01,philbolger@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Continuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
 
Sent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Ms Altenburger,
 
This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.
 
Regards

Leigh Ross
 
484-464-1575 (C)
 
 

On Oct 21, 2016, at 18:38,philbolger@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...

Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.

How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.
So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?

What’s next ?
- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ?? 

I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...

So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats. 
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

 
Sent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Susanne
You select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.
Ed


From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Hello All.
     This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.

I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.
But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.

Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.
The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

  








... this one went out without much intent, since unfinished.
Here the reference  to MAIB Vol. 33 #3, pp. 48-50.
 
Next year I might be able to pursue this with more focus.
In fact I should have my own, except that I’d want mine to fold from 23’+ to nearer 12’ on the trailer.
 
Have you gone ‘cruising’ her ?
 
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
 
 
Sent:Sunday, October 23, 2016 2:58 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
George, I did bring up the matter with my reference to last week’s NPR radio-show on the darker ‘underside’ of all the ‘conveniences’.
http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
 
I am glad you got another got season out of your LIGHT SCHOONER.
18 months ago I outlined the scheme of a local ‘Light Schooner League’ here in the US’s traditional schooner-country of Gloucester and New England.
I ran the piece in MAIB of July ‘15
 
Sent:Sunday, October 23, 2016 2:40 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 

Greetings from Traverse city mi.,
As I put my trusty light schooner away for the winter season , I notice that the facebook controversy invades the forum once again. This time with more gusto and personal attacks  on PBF. Not why I joined up to this forum. I personally do not care for facebook in any form as do many other people , deal with it.  Best of luck to you Suzanne ,as for me I will not join facebook and will be unsubscribing from this forum as well.
Keep sailing and building
George



On Sunday, October 23, 2016 1:23 PM, "Bill Howard billh39@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Email to Phil Bolger and friends has always worked for me.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2016, at 2:44 AM, Ed Koetsierekoetsier@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

A quote from wooden boat from 2011.  This is a world wide problem S. You should just get Duckworths to sell the plans..

an old problem.....geting plans from Phil Bolger and Friends....any help appreciated

Hello Boaters,

Am trying to get plans of Bolgers Wyoming and accompanying manual. Faxed Phil Bolger and Friends a few weeks ago and again a few days ago. No response.

Any ideas on how to get a response? Are they, in fact, responding? What type of payment should be sent if hoping for plans?

Any and all help would be appreciated. I want to get building!

Alex in Bracebridge Ontario Canada


From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 23 October 2016, 5:33
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Ed, here from my e-mail archive:

FROM ED to PB&F:
9/12/14 11:58 pm
Hi Suzanne
First of all. I read the post you sent after Phil had passed away.. It was the first time I had heard that Phil had died. I cried for two days on and off.. It was so sad. He was a giant intellect and a good man. I am so sorry for your loss.
I am so glad I can contact you via email! (I saw your post on Bolger Yahoo.....)
I am VERY eager to get the Sneakeasy II and Bee plans. I am in Australia near Melbourne. International payments are problematic.. Is there any other way I can pay you? Paypal perhaps? I will off course pay all paypal fees, if you can do it that way.
By the way, have you talked further to Duckworks about them selling your plans? That would be so perfect... Or Instant boats... I mean, you know what I mean...
Kind Regards
Ed Koetsier

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FROM PB&F to ED:
5/6/15 7:31 am
Well, Ed, a few seasons later, things are not fully balanced out but close enough to discuss plans.
Plans for Design # 581 BEE are listed at $35.-
Plans for Design # 496 BIRDWATCHER in a combined package of both versions are $200.-
All quotes in US$, to build one boat, plus postage to Australia of about $15 per plans-tube.
Turn-around these days should be no more than two weeks.

International Money-Order or a Bank-Draft made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc. will work.
 
Yours
       Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
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Ed, (assuming no other form of communication with me), what is your challenge ?
You enquired, eventually got an answer, but then appear to not have moved on the opportunity to buy these plans.

Phil did not always get to all letters, and advised me that serious folks will remind him of their continuing interest.


You’ve got to understand, Ed, that I am under no obligation to do any business with you, or anyone with your approach to discussing minor correspondence-issues in this language online.

And for extra postage to Australia, MAIB can be read down-under, to keep you cued in on more developments from this office...


Susanne Altenburger, PB&F 
Sent:Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:13 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
And I, am still without plans for a Bolger Bee and a Bolger Birdwatcher 2, which I started asking about in 2010.
I have built Ross's excellent Flint in the meantime, but a still yearning for that Bee and that Birdwatcher 2, the bw2 being the finest designed yacht for solo seamanship ever, imho, although I never expect to have plans in my hot little hands, I have lost count of all the times I've asked about them WITH NO RESPONSE AT ALL SUSANNE.. am I shouting... ?.. YES I AM!
Cheers
Ed 


From:"Sean McCambridgeseanmccambridgedesign@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 14:09
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Agree with Leigh, 100%! While I'm all over FB, no need for everyone and everything to be there. Though I do find the idea of a Yahoo system being more secure amusing, especially given the monumental data breach they had a week or two ago! ;)

 
 
tapped, not typed

On Oct 21, 2016, at 21:01,philbolger@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Continuing the sweet vibes, does anybody here have any feedback on that recent MAIB series on the double-chine CHEBACCO hull ?
There was even a go-fast version...
One more in the next issue, or at least a hint of one from the hands of Phil’s.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
 
Sent:Friday, October 21, 2016 8:35 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Ms Altenburger,
 
This is your forum and I , for one , am happy to read your words in the forum of your choice. There's no need for you to justify your decisions or engage in debates about them . FB can be a useful forum. It can also be a hive of villainy and trolling. Thanks for all the wonderful articles and information that you provide us with on this forum.
 
Regards

Leigh Ross
 
484-464-1575 (C)
 
 

On Oct 21, 2016, at 18:38,philbolger@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
“....You select you own security in facebook. ..”
Oh well...in that case you’ll be all set then.
By all means do FACEBOOK...

Except that you should actually listen to this NPR piece, or read up on the flip-side of the matter.

How many times have I heard about all sorts of ‘great’ offerings that ‘they all do this these days’... or something like that.
So, why join this dark Worst-of-the-Wild-West-Days utterly irresponsible unregulated not-so-free-for–all mega-intrusiveness ?

What’s next ?
- Internet Banking ?
- Your Medical Records on a billboard/online ?
- Your personal Schedule past/present/future because you can ‘sync’ your ‘devoices’, all superbly protected by a $29.99.- ‘fire-wall’ ?? 

I just won’t be enabling any of this by endorsing it.
There are responsibilities that go way beyond casual and ultimately very expensive and unmanageable ‘conveniences’...
For starters, the ethics of this are beyond intolerable...

So, Ed, I recently visited with a guy who had and continues to build boats. 
Good get-together.
Productive couple actually.
We swapped notes on building stuff that floats.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

 
Sent:Friday, October 21, 2016 6:03 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Susanne
You select you own security in facebook. That most people don't research how to do that is beside the point. You are swimming against the tide. We will do facebook whether you like it or not. Me personally, don't care. You have never responded to my inquiries about buying plans. Over half a decade of ignored requests. You are a roadblock.
Ed


From:"philbolger@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, 22 October 2016, 0:08
Subject:[bolger] Why PB&F does not do FACEBOOK
 
 
Hello All.
     This nationally-syndicated Boston-based NPR radio-show one more time confirms the challenges that emanate from partaking in and steering folks towards FACEBOOK:http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/10/19/facebook-ad-tracking-targeting
The ethics of contributing voluntarily to this seem too dark to accept.
As far as possible not purposefully dragging family and friends into this seems indicated.
Yes there are other forms of ‘tracking’ and ‘accumulating’, but few as far-reaching as this scheme.

I have tried a few times to peek over the fence about what some folks appear to be so excited about over in FACEBOOK-World.
But between an apparent ‘wall’ against even sampling and the unwillingness to ‘bare it all’ for our good friends at FB PB&F shall remain outside of those very expensive confines.

Meanwhile MAIB-column # 506 is in the works.
Between work since 2002 and e.g. the recent presentation at a national conference, our work towards much ‘greener types’ in the Commercial Fisheries has for the first time been elevated to Fisheries Management Council level of discussion.
Mil-Spec stuff appears to continue as well with yet another meeting with active-duty folks.
The heavy-lifting project of securing long-term access to the Archive continues unabated step by step.
Etc. Etc.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F