Re: [bolger] Sailing an Old Shoe in higher winds?
Every bit helps.Hey, Bill! I think you'll find the Old Shoe a very comfortable boat in those winds. Here are a few anecdotal "bits" from my small Bolger boat experience:- Whenever you're in a small boat in tough conditions never cleat the sheets! If you're having trouble holding on to them you might loop them under one horn of a cleat but don't tie them off. You never know when you'll need to ease the sheets in a gust.- The mizzen will steady the boat nicely. If you're ever overwhelmed you can just sheet in the mizzen hard, and sheet out the main and she'll just settle down into a nice bobbing motion. The sails may whip around and make some noise but just relax and take a deep breath.- If your rig has reef points sewn into it - practice reefing until it's second nature. You would be astonished at how a 30 knot breeze can all of a sudden seem quite docile when you reduce the sail area and get the boat working right again.- If you don't have reef points: the leg-o-mutton rigs can actually be "de-powered" quite a bit by snugging up the snotters real tight. This stretches all three corners of the sail until it's nice and flat.- If sailing solo I like to bring one of those little cone-shaped fishing anchors. If I need to fuss with the mainsail I tie it off to the bow, and toss it overboard. The boat drifts backwards at a gentle 0.5 knot while you get to think, adjust, fix, snack, etc.- Sometimes an "extra hand" is all you need and a Tiller Tamer (or even a simple bungee cord wrapped around the tiller) can buy you 30 seconds here and there to fuss with something or the other.Cheers!Andy
Oldshoe has a long, shallow ballast keel. It only draws around 14" and
has 200 lbs. of lead in the keel.
http://solopublications.com/saillanc.html
The rudder doesn't project below the keel and the whole works is shallow
and smooth. You can glide through weeds without getting tangled up, and
hitting bottom is no big deal -- you can get out into knee-deep water to
push off.
Pearl isn't the best performing boat on my local lake, by a long shot,
but she's real comfortable for an Ol' Coot. :o)
has 200 lbs. of lead in the keel.
http://solopublications.com/saillanc.html
The rudder doesn't project below the keel and the whole works is shallow
and smooth. You can glide through weeds without getting tangled up, and
hitting bottom is no big deal -- you can get out into knee-deep water to
push off.
Pearl isn't the best performing boat on my local lake, by a long shot,
but she's real comfortable for an Ol' Coot. :o)
On 5/16/2019 11:38 AM, Chief wrote:
> ...
> I know nothing about the design. I did like the boat.
> My guess is she has a center board or skeg type lateral resistance and
> she's probably ballasted.
> ...
--
John (jkohnen@...)
In the Spring, I have counted 136 different kinds of weather inside of
24 hours. (Mark Twain)
My Oldshoe, Pearl, loves conditions like that. :o) You'll have a
wonderful time. When going to windward don't pinch her, or sheet the
main in too far, or you'll make a lot of leeway. Have fun!
wonderful time. When going to windward don't pinch her, or sheet the
main in too far, or you'll make a lot of leeway. Have fun!
On 5/16/2019 10:38 AM, Bill wrote:
>
> ,,,
> Anyways....Sat is shaping up to have 10 to 15 mile per hour winds...but
> I also expect no gusting (or mild at best). And it will be in protected
> waters so I don't expect any rocking or rolling or surfing. Also, I'd be
> sailing pretty much perpendicular to winds most of the time and at worst
> only mildly upwind/downwind ish.
>
> Are these kind of condtions anything I'd need to be concerned about in
> an Old Shoe? (yes I do know any idiot can make even the most benign
> conditions dangerous : ) )
--
John (jkohnen@...)
It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no
God. (Thomas Jefferson)
Gahhhh....I meant close to 300 lbs ballast....not 30 !
Blll
Every bit helps.
The Old Shoe has a full length keel....about 1.5 feet deep/tall...with close to 30 pounds of ballast...and it has a 5 foot beam! Combine those with a FLAT bottom and the Sharpie design and it is one stable boat just sitting in the water at least !
Of course the downside of a sharpie design is they are darn stable as they tilt until they are NOT...hence you don't want to dance near the tipping point.
No real worries about hitting the bottom around here with a bit of common sense...
Thanks again !
Blll
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Subject: Re: [bolger] Sailing an Old Shoe in higher winds?
From: Chief Redelk chiefredelk@... [bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Thu, May 16, 2019 1:49 pm
Subject: Re: [bolger] Sailing an Old Shoe in higher winds?
Bill, several years ago I attended the last Sail Oklahoma. I saw an old Shoe sailing there. It seemed to be sailing great. Probably the winds were about like you are expecting.
I know nothing about the design. I did like the boat.
My guess is she has a center board or skeg type lateral resistance and she's probably ballasted.
Setup and Skill levels Always come into play.
If you are experienced as a sailor and the boat is setup and trimmed well my GUESS is you'll have fun unless your under water lateral resistance system hits something.
I'm a Swinging Leeboard guy. My rudder and Leeboard both kick up.
That's like having circuit breakers in my opinion.
Enjoy.
Hi all.Have a Bolger Old Shoe. Have not sailed it much...and generally in winds mild enough that actually moving was more of an issue than any concerns about ease of sail or safety.This Sat is shaping up for a perfect day to sail. And as a bonus the local Florida120 sailing event is going on. Mostly smaller and or unique boats (check them out on Facebook- I think you have to join to see it). And definitely come down to this area to sail....it is a VERY good place for sailing...particularly if you like protected waters (we got lots of that).diAnyways....Sat is shaping up to have 10 to 15 mile per hour winds...but I also expect no gusting (or mild at best). And it will be in protected waters so I don't expect any rocking or rolling or surfing. Also, I'd be sailing pretty much perpendicular to winds most of the time and at worst only mildly upwind/downwind ish.Are these kind of condtions anything I'd need to be concerned about in an Old Shoe? (yes I do know any idiot can make even the most benign conditions dangerous : ) )Thanks for any input !Blll
Bill, several years ago I attended the last Sail Oklahoma. I saw an old Shoe sailing there. It seemed to be sailing great. Probably the winds were about like you are expecting.
I know nothing about the design. I did like the boat.
My guess is she has a center board or skeg type lateral resistance and she's probably ballasted.
Setup and Skill levels Always come into play.
If you are experienced as a sailor and the boat is setup and trimmed well my GUESS is you'll have fun unless your under water lateral resistance system hits something.
I'm a Swinging Leeboard guy. My rudder and Leeboard both kick up.
That's like having circuit breakers in my opinion.
Enjoy.
Hi all.Have a Bolger Old Shoe. Have not sailed it much...and generally in winds mild enough that actually moving was more of an issue than any concerns about ease of sail or safety.This Sat is shaping up for a perfect day to sail. And as a bonus the local Florida120 sailing event is going on. Mostly smaller and or unique boats (check them out on Facebook- I think you have to join to see it). And definitely come down to this area to sail....it is a VERY good place for sailing...particularly if you like protected waters (we got lots of that).diAnyways....Sat is shaping up to have 10 to 15 mile per hour winds...but I also expect no gusting (or mild at best). And it will be in protected waters so I don't expect any rocking or rolling or surfing. Also, I'd be sailing pretty much perpendicular to winds most of the time and at worst only mildly upwind/downwind ish.Are these kind of condtions anything I'd need to be concerned about in an Old Shoe? (yes I do know any idiot can make even the most benign conditions dangerous : ) )Thanks for any input !Blll
Hi all.
Have a Bolger Old Shoe. Have not sailed it much...and generally in winds mild enough that actually moving was more of an issue than any concerns about ease of sail or safety.
This Sat is shaping up for a perfect day to sail. And as a bonus the local Florida120 sailing event is going on. Mostly smaller and or unique boats (check them out on Facebook- I think you have to join to see it). And definitely come down to this area to sail....it is a VERY good place for sailing...particularly if you like protected waters (we got lots of that).di
Anyways....Sat is shaping up to have 10 to 15 mile per hour winds...but I also expect no gusting (or mild at best). And it will be in protected waters so I don't expect any rocking or rolling or surfing. Also, I'd be sailing pretty much perpendicular to winds most of the time and at worst only mildly upwind/downwind ish.
Are these kind of condtions anything I'd need to be concerned about in an Old Shoe? (yes I do know any idiot can make even the most benign conditions dangerous : ) )
Thanks for any input !
Blll