Re: Weldwood split from Good Wood
I had NO problem during use after boat (Pointy Skiff) was in use.
When attaching the sides to frames and stem the butts separated. I
probably didn't let the glue set up right, use enough weight or mixed
wrong. I chock it up to experience. To correct it, on one side I used
Premium PL on where the wood split (from the butts) and on the other
side I used 3M 5200 and then clamped them, side on frames and stem.
I used butts with Weldwood on the Nymph frames with no problems.
Set up rock hard there, but it was much drier time of year. When I
butted the side for the skiff it was a really steamy hot Florida day.
No real complaints with Weldwood. I will use again. Time will tell if
either butt breaks apart with increased use.
my 2 cents,
Rich
When attaching the sides to frames and stem the butts separated. I
probably didn't let the glue set up right, use enough weight or mixed
wrong. I chock it up to experience. To correct it, on one side I used
Premium PL on where the wood split (from the butts) and on the other
side I used 3M 5200 and then clamped them, side on frames and stem.
I used butts with Weldwood on the Nymph frames with no problems.
Set up rock hard there, but it was much drier time of year. When I
butted the side for the skiff it was a really steamy hot Florida day.
No real complaints with Weldwood. I will use again. Time will tell if
either butt breaks apart with increased use.
my 2 cents,
Rich
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Donald Hodges" <dhodges@w...> wrote:
> I hate to butt in, but I built a 12-footer using Weldwood "long
ago". It
> requires more precise joinery and clamping than I'm willing to fool
with as
> life gets shorter, otherwise it is ok.
> I believe it has been far surpassed by epoxy and even PL Premium.
It works
> a lot like resorcinol, and that was over after the 50's...
>
> Don Hodges
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Albanese <marka@o...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:30 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Weldwood split from Good Wood
I hate to butt in, but I built a 12-footer using Weldwood "long ago". It
requires more precise joinery and clamping than I'm willing to fool with as
life gets shorter, otherwise it is ok.
I believe it has been far surpassed by epoxy and even PL Premium. It works
a lot like resorcinol, and that was over after the 50's...
Don Hodges
requires more precise joinery and clamping than I'm willing to fool with as
life gets shorter, otherwise it is ok.
I believe it has been far surpassed by epoxy and even PL Premium. It works
a lot like resorcinol, and that was over after the 50's...
Don Hodges
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Albanese <marka@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:30 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Weldwood split from Good Wood
I have seen black top at 150 when the air was 104. When it is 115 you can
fry an egg on the sidewalk in Witicha Falls, Texas.
If I was making a laminated mast for this country that had to live on
pavement. I would use one of the epoxies that cured at 130 or so and build
an oven out of Styrofoam and cure it in a vacuum bag. And something to
blow hot air in the oven. Or just use a tin barn in the summer time.
Gordon
Gordon Cougergcouger@...
Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger
405 624-2855 GMT -6:00
fry an egg on the sidewalk in Witicha Falls, Texas.
If I was making a laminated mast for this country that had to live on
pavement. I would use one of the epoxies that cured at 130 or so and build
an oven out of Styrofoam and cure it in a vacuum bag. And something to
blow hot air in the oven. Or just use a tin barn in the summer time.
Gordon
Gordon Cougergcouger@...
Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger
405 624-2855 GMT -6:00
>
> Gary,
>
> Thanks for this. I'd been focussed on application time
> effects. Your story helps a lot. In the heat, the wood must
> have distorted from the glue line with terrific force. Hard
> to imagine. Where I live it's the rare day that gets past
> 85-90. My sympathy to you for the trouble you had.
>
> Anyone have other horror stories about using Weldwood? The
> stuff is so attractive in some ways, it would be nice to
> know if anything, else than intense humid heat exposure can
> go wrong.
>
> Most discussion I've seen in books and magazines centers on
> how waterproof it is, Weldwood being officially only water
> 'resistant'. And there's that famous quote ( re: waterproof
> testing ) from Pete Culler, warning not to use it if you
> plan to boil your boat. Anyone had it delaminate through
> soakage at moderate temperature alone?
>
> Scott Birch: If you're still following this, would you care
> to tell how it's been, "Useless" for you?
>
> With scientific spirit,
>
> Mark
>
> "Gary" wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > It wasn't when or how they were laminated that was the problem. It
> > was
> > afterwards after the varnished-finished masts had been exposed to
> > the summer sun & heat. In one case, my Zephyr mast delaminated
> > after it had been left at a repair shop after the trailer axle broke.
> > The boat and mast sat in the sun on a blacktop parking lot for a week
> > in the summer and most of the seams let go. The second mast on my
> > 19-foot catboat) was never exposed to quite that extreme, but had the
> > disconcerting habit of letting go while the boat was under sail,
> > although fortunately the mast never broke. I don't think it had
> > anything to do with how the glue was applied -- it was mixed normally
> > and spead without difficulty -- but rather the heat and humidity it
> > was exposed to later.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
Gary,
Thanks for this. I'd been focussed on application time
effects. Your story helps a lot. In the heat, the wood must
have distorted from the glue line with terrific force. Hard
to imagine. Where I live it's the rare day that gets past
85-90. My sympathy to you for the trouble you had.
Anyone have other horror stories about using Weldwood? The
stuff is so attractive in some ways, it would be nice to
know if anything, else than intense humid heat exposure can
go wrong.
Most discussion I've seen in books and magazines centers on
how waterproof it is, Weldwood being officially only water
'resistant'. And there's that famous quote ( re: waterproof
testing ) from Pete Culler, warning not to use it if you
plan to boil your boat. Anyone had it delaminate through
soakage at moderate temperature alone?
Scott Birch: If you're still following this, would you care
to tell how it's been, "Useless" for you?
With scientific spirit,
Mark
"Gary" wrote:
Thanks for this. I'd been focussed on application time
effects. Your story helps a lot. In the heat, the wood must
have distorted from the glue line with terrific force. Hard
to imagine. Where I live it's the rare day that gets past
85-90. My sympathy to you for the trouble you had.
Anyone have other horror stories about using Weldwood? The
stuff is so attractive in some ways, it would be nice to
know if anything, else than intense humid heat exposure can
go wrong.
Most discussion I've seen in books and magazines centers on
how waterproof it is, Weldwood being officially only water
'resistant'. And there's that famous quote ( re: waterproof
testing ) from Pete Culler, warning not to use it if you
plan to boil your boat. Anyone had it delaminate through
soakage at moderate temperature alone?
Scott Birch: If you're still following this, would you care
to tell how it's been, "Useless" for you?
With scientific spirit,
Mark
"Gary" wrote:
>
>
> It wasn't when or how they were laminated that was the problem. It
> was
> afterwards after the varnished-finished masts had been exposed to
> the summer sun & heat. In one case, my Zephyr mast delaminated
> after it had been left at a repair shop after the trailer axle broke.
> The boat and mast sat in the sun on a blacktop parking lot for a week
> in the summer and most of the seams let go. The second mast on my
> 19-foot catboat) was never exposed to quite that extreme, but had the
> disconcerting habit of letting go while the boat was under sail,
> although fortunately the mast never broke. I don't think it had
> anything to do with how the glue was applied -- it was mixed normally
> and spead without difficulty -- but rather the heat and humidity it
> was exposed to later.
>
> Gary
>
>