Re: bolgers ocean abilities
On the original idea of this thread, simple ocean cruisers, Bolger
showed an interesting boat in the November 1, 1996 MAIB.
It's 39'centerboard yawl, double chine (like Chebacco) ply
construction. It looks to me like a fast and able boat. Accomdations
are a little looser and more conventional than the AS-29, but there
is no double bed.
There is a wishbone on the jib and a spirt boom on the mizzen.
Peter
showed an interesting boat in the November 1, 1996 MAIB.
It's 39'centerboard yawl, double chine (like Chebacco) ply
construction. It looks to me like a fast and able boat. Accomdations
are a little looser and more conventional than the AS-29, but there
is no double bed.
There is a wishbone on the jib and a spirt boom on the mizzen.
Peter
I for one don't mind a little repeat discussion-always brings out new stuff
anyway. Besides I don't have the time to search all the postings for every
new idea I have, but it does appear that you may have been the first to
discover the striking similarity to the AS29.
Frank Bales
Staunton, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: peter lenihan [mailto:ellengaest@...]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:33 AM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: bolgers ocean abilities
Dick Pilz,
Before all Hell breaks loose again,may I refer you to a series
of postings from the past beginning with number:1613 onward?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
anyway. Besides I don't have the time to search all the postings for every
new idea I have, but it does appear that you may have been the first to
discover the striking similarity to the AS29.
Frank Bales
Staunton, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: peter lenihan [mailto:ellengaest@...]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 3:33 AM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: bolgers ocean abilities
Dick Pilz,
Before all Hell breaks loose again,may I refer you to a series
of postings from the past beginning with number:1613 onward?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Dick Pilz" <dickpilz@g...> wrote:
> While you are at Tanton Designs, check out design #980 "Sea-Egret".
> It looks hauntingly familiar ... like a copy of AS-29.
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...>
wrote:
> >
> > > I am interested in a as29 or > a
> > > Jessie Cooper. what is the ocean abilities of these boats. have
> any
> >
> > In the original writeup on Jessie Cooper, Bolger suggested that
it
> > wasn't really meant for ocean sailing. I'm not sure what his
> attitude
> > would be on the AS-29.
> >
> >
> >http://www.tantonyachts.com(click on catalogue, then find design
> > #946. Click on the checkmark.)
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
my two cents,
The Cape Cod Catboat has also been used for extensive voyages, but
it has similar problems that the Cat ketch rig has in that it is
susceptible to boom tripping in large seas. This usually results in
a
broken mast.
I feel that a good ocean crossing sailboat should have the ability
to shorten sail and heave to in the roughest conditions for the
safety
and comfort of the crew.
I am not planning a trans-Atlantic crossing in my Micro however, I
will use it for extensive coastal cruising. If the seas get to rough
I
will through it on the trailer and go home. Planning is essential.
I
still have not cut out the ventilator in bulkhead A as I have this
thing about preserving the watertight envelope the cabin forms. I
will
probably change my mind about this after the first hot, stuffy,
night.
It can always be done later. Maybe a standard Beckson style
portlight.
David Jost
"should be working"
The Cape Cod Catboat has also been used for extensive voyages, but
it has similar problems that the Cat ketch rig has in that it is
susceptible to boom tripping in large seas. This usually results in
a
broken mast.
I feel that a good ocean crossing sailboat should have the ability
to shorten sail and heave to in the roughest conditions for the
safety
and comfort of the crew.
I am not planning a trans-Atlantic crossing in my Micro however, I
will use it for extensive coastal cruising. If the seas get to rough
I
will through it on the trailer and go home. Planning is essential.
I
still have not cut out the ventilator in bulkhead A as I have this
thing about preserving the watertight envelope the cabin forms. I
will
probably change my mind about this after the first hot, stuffy,
night.
It can always be done later. Maybe a standard Beckson style
portlight.
David Jost
"should be working"
> While you are at Tanton Designs, check out design #980 "Sea-Egret".Also check out #997 for a simple ocean cruiser. She does have
> It looks hauntingly familiar ... like a copy of AS-29.
conventional rigging and deep keel though.
Peter
Dick Pilz,
Before all Hell breaks loose again,may I refer you to a series
of postings from the past beginning with number:1613 onward?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Before all Hell breaks loose again,may I refer you to a series
of postings from the past beginning with number:1613 onward?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Dick Pilz" <dickpilz@g...> wrote:
> While you are at Tanton Designs, check out design #980 "Sea-Egret".
> It looks hauntingly familiar ... like a copy of AS-29.
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...>
wrote:
> >
> > > I am interested in a as29 or > a
> > > Jessie Cooper. what is the ocean abilities of these boats. have
> any
> >
> > In the original writeup on Jessie Cooper, Bolger suggested that
it
> > wasn't really meant for ocean sailing. I'm not sure what his
> attitude
> > would be on the AS-29.
> >
> >
> >http://www.tantonyachts.com(click on catalogue, then find design
> > #946. Click on the checkmark.)
Hi -
Last correspondence I had from Phil and Susanne indicated a strong
interest in a design intended for ocean cruising in the AS style and
size. Hopefully they will have something like that out in the next
few months perhaps.
Food for thought.
Burp.
Mike
Last correspondence I had from Phil and Susanne indicated a strong
interest in a design intended for ocean cruising in the AS style and
size. Hopefully they will have something like that out in the next
few months perhaps.
Food for thought.
Burp.
Mike
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, elpicco@i... wrote:
> Hi all
> I am busy building a wharram tiki 26, but am interested in a as29 or
> a
> Jessie Cooper. what is the ocean abilities of these boats. have any
> crossed oceans , weathered storm
While you are at Tanton Designs, check out design #980 "Sea-Egret".
It looks hauntingly familiar ... like a copy of AS-29.
It looks hauntingly familiar ... like a copy of AS-29.
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
>
> > I am interested in a as29 or > a
> > Jessie Cooper. what is the ocean abilities of these boats. have
any
>
> In the original writeup on Jessie Cooper, Bolger suggested that it
> wasn't really meant for ocean sailing. I'm not sure what his
attitude
> would be on the AS-29.
>
>
>http://www.tantonyachts.com(click on catalogue, then find design
> #946. Click on the checkmark.)
> I am interested in a as29 or > aIn the original writeup on Jessie Cooper, Bolger suggested that it
> Jessie Cooper. what is the ocean abilities of these boats. have any
wasn't really meant for ocean sailing. I'm not sure what his attitude
would be on the AS-29.
In either case, I don't think that the cat-yawl is a good rig for
ocean sailing. The boom is too long and too likely to get forced into
the water and broken. The mast is too far forward and there isn't
much deck space around it. If I were thinking of going trans-ocean, I
would ask Bolger about the Chinese Gaffer rig which would make it
easier to reef, etc, from the cockpit.
On the A-29, if the mast folding gear were robust enough to lower the
mast in heavy seas, it would be a major safety factor to be able to
lower the rig while riding to a sea anchor in a hurricane.
I also would prefer a hull shape with a quieter entry.
I've been trying to choose the most similar design that I would be
happy with. There is the Bahama Mama
www.databoat.com/boatingbooks/boatplans/GFCBoats/BahamaMama.html
and Sea Shell
http://www.tantonyachts.com(click on catalogue, then find design
#946. Click on the checkmark.)
Among Bolger designs, there are several good ones that are strip
planked. Among the ply boats that I know of is Arava (design #309), a
9m, double chine cutter/schooner. It appeared in MAIB a couple of
years ago. He has others that are not in any of his books.
Peter
Hi Nathan and welcome to the list
regarding the Jessie Cooper, I'd suggest that you take a look to
Chuck Merrell's web site at www.boatdesign.com. You might contact him
'cause he built a JC and he developed a revised version of the design.
Regarding the AS29, the two best web sites are Leo Foltz's
http://www.leow.de/(info and building pics) and Tim Fatchen's
(who owns an AS29)http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/as192939.htm#as29
(lots of info).
Plans for both should be available from the designer's office:
Phil Bolger and Friends
Post Office Box 1209
Gloucester MA 01930, USA
Fax: 001 (978) 282-1349
No web yet!
Best, Pippo
regarding the Jessie Cooper, I'd suggest that you take a look to
Chuck Merrell's web site at www.boatdesign.com. You might contact him
'cause he built a JC and he developed a revised version of the design.
Regarding the AS29, the two best web sites are Leo Foltz's
http://www.leow.de/(info and building pics) and Tim Fatchen's
(who owns an AS29)http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/as192939.htm#as29
(lots of info).
Plans for both should be available from the designer's office:
Phil Bolger and Friends
Post Office Box 1209
Gloucester MA 01930, USA
Fax: 001 (978) 282-1349
No web yet!
Best, Pippo
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, elpicco@i... wrote:
> Hi all
> I am busy building a wharram tiki 26, but am interested in a as29 or
> a
> Jessie Cooper. what is the ocean abilities of these boats. have any
> crossed oceans , weathered storms?
> I like the simplicity of the designs.
> Are plans of the jessie cooper available.
> I like the as29/31 of the zeiger family up in juneau alaska.it
looks
> like a nice liveaboard size boat
>
> Then again i like the level sailing of a catamaran as well.
> thanks for all the posts, this group is a lot busier than the
wharram
> group at the moment.
>
> Long live simple boats that ordinary people can build and get out
> there and live the dreams they want.
>
> nathan levin
>http://www.icon.co.za/~elpicco
Hi all
I am busy building a wharram tiki 26, but am interested in a as29 or
a
Jessie Cooper. what is the ocean abilities of these boats. have any
crossed oceans , weathered storms?
I like the simplicity of the designs.
Are plans of the jessie cooper available.
I like the as29/31 of the zeiger family up in juneau alaska.it looks
like a nice liveaboard size boat
Then again i like the level sailing of a catamaran as well.
thanks for all the posts, this group is a lot busier than the wharram
group at the moment.
Long live simple boats that ordinary people can build and get out
there and live the dreams they want.
nathan levin
http://www.icon.co.za/~elpicco
I am busy building a wharram tiki 26, but am interested in a as29 or
a
Jessie Cooper. what is the ocean abilities of these boats. have any
crossed oceans , weathered storms?
I like the simplicity of the designs.
Are plans of the jessie cooper available.
I like the as29/31 of the zeiger family up in juneau alaska.it looks
like a nice liveaboard size boat
Then again i like the level sailing of a catamaran as well.
thanks for all the posts, this group is a lot busier than the wharram
group at the moment.
Long live simple boats that ordinary people can build and get out
there and live the dreams they want.
nathan levin
http://www.icon.co.za/~elpicco