Re: bolgers ocean abilities
> After 18000 miles in our AS39 Loose Moose 2 and 11000 miles in ourJessie
> Cooper Loose Moose 1 I think we have shown that the envelope can bepushed
> and in some comfort as well.I bow to your greater experience. (you:11000 miles, me: 0 miles).
Still, I'm sure you will understand if I continue in my feeling that
Jessie Cooper is not an appropriate trans-ocean vehicle.
I do have the following question. Bolger wrote that one of the
idiosycracies of Jessie Coooper is that she is more stable on one
tack that the other due to the rig being off center. Which tack is
the more stable? It seems obvious that with the rig and daggerboard
trunk on the starboard side, she should heel more easily to
starboard. But assuming the boat is ballasted to float level, I can
think of as many reasons why she should heel more easily to port as
to starboard.
Thanks,
Peter
Rip off is more like it
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>From: "Dick Pilz" <dickpilz@...>_________________________________________________________________________
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>Subject: [bolger] Re: bolgers ocean abilities
>Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:21:33 -0000
>
>While you are at Tanton Designs, check out design #980 "Sea-Egret".
>It looks hauntingly familiar ... like a copy of AS-29.
>
>--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> >
> > > I am interested in a as29 or > a
> > > Jessie Cooper. what is the ocean abilities of these boats. have
>any
> >
> > In the original writeup on Jessie Cooper, Bolger suggested that it
> > wasn't really meant for ocean sailing. I'm not sure what his
>attitude
> > would be on the AS-29.
> >
> >
> >http://www.tantonyachts.com(click on catalogue, then find design
> > #946. Click on the checkmark.)
>
>
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Yeah, this has been discussed before. Phil and Suzanne called the guy up
to chat with him about it. He claimed to have "improved" it, though he
doesn't credit the origin, has never been on one and has never had one
of his improved versions built. Strange...It's identical even down to
book shelf placement. Even more odd, since he has so many of his own
"legitimate" designs.
david beede
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to chat with him about it. He claimed to have "improved" it, though he
doesn't credit the origin, has never been on one and has never had one
of his improved versions built. Strange...It's identical even down to
book shelf placement. Even more odd, since he has so many of his own
"legitimate" designs.
david beede
Dick Pilz wrote:
>--
>
> While you are at Tanton Designs, check out design #980 "Sea-Egret".
> It looks hauntingly familiar ... like a copy of AS-29.
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> >
> > > I am interested in a as29 or > a
> > > Jessie Cooper. what is the ocean abilities of these boats. have
> any
> >
> > In the original writeup on Jessie Cooper, Bolger suggested that it
> > wasn't really meant for ocean sailing. I'm not sure what his
> attitude
> > would be on the AS-29.
> >
> >
> >http://www.tantonyachts.com(click on catalogue, then find design
> > #946. Click on the checkmark.)
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
SOME CLICKS THAT COUNT!!
Feed someone.
http://www.thehungersite.com/
Save a little rain forest.
http://rainforest.care2.com/front.html/player12296
Simplicity Boats (& mirror sites)
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/index.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/index.html
Here's my latest boat:
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/summerbreeze.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/summerbreeze.html
Quasi esoteric musical instruments
http://unicornstrings.com
While the As series are not the "Perfect" boat for ocean crossing it is a
boat that is quite able to cross oceans which is a small portion of the
sailing one actually does...
After 18000 miles in our AS39 Loose Moose 2 and 11000 miles in our Jessie
Cooper Loose Moose 1 I think we have shown that the envelope can be pushed
and in some comfort as well.
The Bahama Mama is a very neat boat but more of a vacation cruiser than an
ocean cruiser ( just not enough room for the needed cargo) We have
considered this boat for Loose Moose 3 but decided against on comfort and
stores...
Bob & Sheila
St Thomas USVI
boat that is quite able to cross oceans which is a small portion of the
sailing one actually does...
After 18000 miles in our AS39 Loose Moose 2 and 11000 miles in our Jessie
Cooper Loose Moose 1 I think we have shown that the envelope can be pushed
and in some comfort as well.
The Bahama Mama is a very neat boat but more of a vacation cruiser than an
ocean cruiser ( just not enough room for the needed cargo) We have
considered this boat for Loose Moose 3 but decided against on comfort and
stores...
Bob & Sheila
St Thomas USVI
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Vanderwaart <pvanderw@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 3:33 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: bolgers ocean abilities
>
>
> > I am interested in a as29 or > a
> > Jessie Cooper. what is the ocean abilities of these boats. have any
>
> In the original writeup on Jessie Cooper, Bolger suggested that it
> wasn't really meant for ocean sailing. I'm not sure what his attitude
> would be on the AS-29.
>
> In either case, I don't think that the cat-yawl is a good rig for
> ocean sailing. The boom is too long and too likely to get forced into
> the water and broken. The mast is too far forward and there isn't
> much deck space around it. If I were thinking of going trans-ocean, I
> would ask Bolger about the Chinese Gaffer rig which would make it
> easier to reef, etc, from the cockpit.
>
> On the A-29, if the mast folding gear were robust enough to lower the
> mast in heavy seas, it would be a major safety factor to be able to
> lower the rig while riding to a sea anchor in a hurricane.
>
> I also would prefer a hull shape with a quieter entry.
>
> I've been trying to choose the most similar design that I would be
> happy with. There is the Bahama Mama
>
> www.databoat.com/boatingbooks/boatplans/GFCBoats/BahamaMama.html
>
> and Sea Shell
>
>http://www.tantonyachts.com(click on catalogue, then find design
> #946. Click on the checkmark.)
>
> Among Bolger designs, there are several good ones that are strip
> planked. Among the ply boats that I know of is Arava (design #309), a
> 9m, double chine cutter/schooner. It appeared in MAIB a couple of
> years ago. He has others that are not in any of his books.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>
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