[bolger] Re: sneakbox impressions
It seems like I got 16 mph on my original Mariner 15, so I was hoping for
25+ on my present Evinrude 25. With nothing in the boat but me, I can just
get 22 on a good day with a light ripple on the water. Perfectly flat
water is slower - 20-21. It suprised me that the speed potential was the
same for either prop - maybe I need to split the difference, as I think the
high-pitch prop is slightly lugging the rpm. I don't suspect I'm getting a
good 25 either - what I may need is 35-40 horsepower where I can cruise at
less than full throttle.
Yes, our channel is the Kerr-Mclellan, which is the Verdigris River up here
in Tulsa, OK, flowing to the Arkansas River down in Muskogee. We took our
freedom down the river to the Mississippi and on down to new Orleans a
couple of years ago. About 1000 miles.
Gregg
25+ on my present Evinrude 25. With nothing in the boat but me, I can just
get 22 on a good day with a light ripple on the water. Perfectly flat
water is slower - 20-21. It suprised me that the speed potential was the
same for either prop - maybe I need to split the difference, as I think the
high-pitch prop is slightly lugging the rpm. I don't suspect I'm getting a
good 25 either - what I may need is 35-40 horsepower where I can cruise at
less than full throttle.
Yes, our channel is the Kerr-Mclellan, which is the Verdigris River up here
in Tulsa, OK, flowing to the Arkansas River down in Muskogee. We took our
freedom down the river to the Mississippi and on down to new Orleans a
couple of years ago. About 1000 miles.
Gregg
>Don't rely on me here, but I doubt if a fair bottom will get you near
>30mph. Each successive unit of speed comes dearer than the last; a
>wild guess says your gain will be pretty small (a 50% gain is
>enormous.)
>
>Is the performance near your expectations, or did you expect 30mph on
>25hp?
>Also, how does she handle at manuevering speeds?
>
>(Is that the Kerr-cLellan channel you speak of?)
>
><3.0.6.32.19990803100542.00880e4-@...> wrote:
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=75
>> Hi,
>>
>> The Sneakeasy is 4' wide (I think there is another boat by Jim
>Michalak
>> called the Sneakbox), but is very stable. As with all Bolger's square
>> boats, the chine extends out as far as you can stand. Standing on a
>> gunnel, you would have a tough time pushing that chine, 20+ feet of
>it,
>> down very far in the water. Initial stability is very high.
>>
>> I thought a lot about an inboard diesel in the Sneakeasy. I built it
>for
>> the navigation channel, with the first stop at 100 miles. Economy,
>range,
>> and speed with the 2-cycle 25 are just OK. I had 2 props pitched at
>13 and
>> 15 inches (I think): both gave me the same speed - about 20 mph -
>but the
>> flat prop seem to run loud (high rpm) and burned all my gas (20 gal)
>and
>> the high pitch ran more quiet with about 1/3 less fuel at 100 miles.
>I
>> still want more like 30 mph, so I plan to fair the bottom and maybe
>add
>> horsepower.
>>
>> Yes, I can plot patterns.
>>
>> Gregg
>>
>>
>> At 11:17 PM 8/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>> >I saw the Sneakbox on the Carlson Designs web page. Such a unique
>and
>> >charming boat. I've heard it's similar to the Tennessee and Idaho,
>is that
>> >correct?
>> >
>> >What is the beam of the Sneakbox? The narrowness of these things is
>just
>> >shocking, but I suppose if you widen it 8"-12" you'd really
>compromise the
>> >efficiency of the design.
>> >
>> >What is your reaction to building the Idaho with a full skeg and
>amidships
>> >inboard? I'm studying a 1200cc Subaru conversion, prop limited to
>about 35
>> >hp. Very light (230# all up) and compact. If space is not
>prohibitive in
>> >that skinny hull I'd like to use a 27 hp Universal diesel (under 350#
>> >rigged. Imagine the range you would have!
>> >
>> >Say, Gregg, could you cut a set of patterns for a guy?
>> >
>> >
>
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I cannot imagine any financial reward in building a boat. I'd love to
hear about your boat though. I've just got a thing for long, skinny
boats. I'm itching for a new project. I saw a Tennessee in a photo a
few years back and fell hard. I assumed that Idaho was simply an
enlarged version, but apparently I'm mistaken there.
<007501beddb6$06c961c0$4d0247c-@duckworks> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=74
hear about your boat though. I've just got a thing for long, skinny
boats. I'm itching for a new project. I saw a Tennessee in a photo a
few years back and fell hard. I assumed that Idaho was simply an
enlarged version, but apparently I'm mistaken there.
<007501beddb6$06c961c0$4d0247c-@duckworks> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=74
> Joe:too
>
> When I first bought the plans for the Tennessee that I built, I asked
> Bernie about an inboard for that boat. He thought that the boat was
> quick and dirty to stand the investment of an inboard, but I stillthink it
> would be fun. I, personally don't build boats for financialconsiderations
>and
> Chuck
>
>
> > I saw the Sneakbox on the Carlson Designs web page. Such a unique
> > charming boat. I've heard it's similar to the Tennessee and Idaho,is
> thatis just
> > correct?
> >
> > What is the beam of the Sneakbox? The narrowness of these things
> > shocking, but I suppose if you widen it 8"-12" you'd reallycompromise the
> > efficiency of the design.amidships
> >
> > What is your reaction to building the Idaho with a full skeg and
> > inboard? I'm studying a 1200cc Subaru conversion, prop limited toabout
> 35prohibitive in
> > hp. Very light (230# all up) and compact. If space is not
> > that skinny hull I'd like to use a 27 hp Universal diesel (under350#
> > rigged. Imagine the range you would have!
> >
> > Say, Gregg, could you cut a set of patterns for a guy?
> >
> >
Don't rely on me here, but I doubt if a fair bottom will get you near
30mph. Each successive unit of speed comes dearer than the last; a
wild guess says your gain will be pretty small (a 50% gain is
enormous.)
Is the performance near your expectations, or did you expect 30mph on
25hp?
Also, how does she handle at manuevering speeds?
(Is that the Kerr-cLellan channel you speak of?)
<3.0.6.32.19990803100542.00880e4-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=75
30mph. Each successive unit of speed comes dearer than the last; a
wild guess says your gain will be pretty small (a 50% gain is
enormous.)
Is the performance near your expectations, or did you expect 30mph on
25hp?
Also, how does she handle at manuevering speeds?
(Is that the Kerr-cLellan channel you speak of?)
<3.0.6.32.19990803100542.00880e4-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=75
> Hi,Michalak
>
> The Sneakeasy is 4' wide (I think there is another boat by Jim
> called the Sneakbox), but is very stable. As with all Bolger's squareit,
> boats, the chine extends out as far as you can stand. Standing on a
> gunnel, you would have a tough time pushing that chine, 20+ feet of
> down very far in the water. Initial stability is very high.for
>
> I thought a lot about an inboard diesel in the Sneakeasy. I built it
> the navigation channel, with the first stop at 100 miles. Economy,range,
> and speed with the 2-cycle 25 are just OK. I had 2 props pitched at13 and
> 15 inches (I think): both gave me the same speed - about 20 mph -but the
> flat prop seem to run loud (high rpm) and burned all my gas (20 gal)and
> the high pitch ran more quiet with about 1/3 less fuel at 100 miles.I
> still want more like 30 mph, so I plan to fair the bottom and maybeadd
> horsepower.and
>
> Yes, I can plot patterns.
>
> Gregg
>
>
> At 11:17 PM 8/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >I saw the Sneakbox on the Carlson Designs web page. Such a unique
> >charming boat. I've heard it's similar to the Tennessee and Idaho,is that
> >correct?just
> >
> >What is the beam of the Sneakbox? The narrowness of these things is
> >shocking, but I suppose if you widen it 8"-12" you'd reallycompromise the
> >efficiency of the design.amidships
> >
> >What is your reaction to building the Idaho with a full skeg and
> >inboard? I'm studying a 1200cc Subaru conversion, prop limited toabout 35
> >hp. Very light (230# all up) and compact. If space is notprohibitive in
> >that skinny hull I'd like to use a 27 hp Universal diesel (under 350#
> >rigged. Imagine the range you would have!
> >
> >Say, Gregg, could you cut a set of patterns for a guy?
> >
> >
Hi,
The Sneakeasy is 4' wide (I think there is another boat by Jim Michalak
called the Sneakbox), but is very stable. As with all Bolger's square
boats, the chine extends out as far as you can stand. Standing on a
gunnel, you would have a tough time pushing that chine, 20+ feet of it,
down very far in the water. Initial stability is very high.
I thought a lot about an inboard diesel in the Sneakeasy. I built it for
the navigation channel, with the first stop at 100 miles. Economy, range,
and speed with the 2-cycle 25 are just OK. I had 2 props pitched at 13 and
15 inches (I think): both gave me the same speed - about 20 mph - but the
flat prop seem to run loud (high rpm) and burned all my gas (20 gal) and
the high pitch ran more quiet with about 1/3 less fuel at 100 miles. I
still want more like 30 mph, so I plan to fair the bottom and maybe add
horsepower.
Yes, I can plot patterns.
Gregg
At 11:17 PM 8/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
The Sneakeasy is 4' wide (I think there is another boat by Jim Michalak
called the Sneakbox), but is very stable. As with all Bolger's square
boats, the chine extends out as far as you can stand. Standing on a
gunnel, you would have a tough time pushing that chine, 20+ feet of it,
down very far in the water. Initial stability is very high.
I thought a lot about an inboard diesel in the Sneakeasy. I built it for
the navigation channel, with the first stop at 100 miles. Economy, range,
and speed with the 2-cycle 25 are just OK. I had 2 props pitched at 13 and
15 inches (I think): both gave me the same speed - about 20 mph - but the
flat prop seem to run loud (high rpm) and burned all my gas (20 gal) and
the high pitch ran more quiet with about 1/3 less fuel at 100 miles. I
still want more like 30 mph, so I plan to fair the bottom and maybe add
horsepower.
Yes, I can plot patterns.
Gregg
At 11:17 PM 8/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I saw the Sneakbox on the Carlson Designs web page. Such a unique and
>charming boat. I've heard it's similar to the Tennessee and Idaho, is that
>correct?
>
>What is the beam of the Sneakbox? The narrowness of these things is just
>shocking, but I suppose if you widen it 8"-12" you'd really compromise the
>efficiency of the design.
>
>What is your reaction to building the Idaho with a full skeg and amidships
>inboard? I'm studying a 1200cc Subaru conversion, prop limited to about 35
>hp. Very light (230# all up) and compact. If space is not prohibitive in
>that skinny hull I'd like to use a 27 hp Universal diesel (under 350#
>rigged. Imagine the range you would have!
>
>Say, Gregg, could you cut a set of patterns for a guy?
>
>
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Joe:
When I first bought the plans for the Tennessee that I built, I asked
Bernie about an inboard for that boat. He thought that the boat was too
quick and dirty to stand the investment of an inboard, but I still think it
would be fun. I, personally don't build boats for financial considerations
Chuck
When I first bought the plans for the Tennessee that I built, I asked
Bernie about an inboard for that boat. He thought that the boat was too
quick and dirty to stand the investment of an inboard, but I still think it
would be fun. I, personally don't build boats for financial considerations
Chuck
> I saw the Sneakbox on the Carlson Designs web page. Such a unique andthat
> charming boat. I've heard it's similar to the Tennessee and Idaho, is
> correct?35
>
> What is the beam of the Sneakbox? The narrowness of these things is just
> shocking, but I suppose if you widen it 8"-12" you'd really compromise the
> efficiency of the design.
>
> What is your reaction to building the Idaho with a full skeg and amidships
> inboard? I'm studying a 1200cc Subaru conversion, prop limited to about
> hp. Very light (230# all up) and compact. If space is not prohibitive in
> that skinny hull I'd like to use a 27 hp Universal diesel (under 350#
> rigged. Imagine the range you would have!
>
> Say, Gregg, could you cut a set of patterns for a guy?
>
>
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I saw the Sneakbox on the Carlson Designs web page. Such a unique and
charming boat. I've heard it's similar to the Tennessee and Idaho, is that
correct?
What is the beam of the Sneakbox? The narrowness of these things is just
shocking, but I suppose if you widen it 8"-12" you'd really compromise the
efficiency of the design.
What is your reaction to building the Idaho with a full skeg and amidships
inboard? I'm studying a 1200cc Subaru conversion, prop limited to about 35
hp. Very light (230# all up) and compact. If space is not prohibitive in
that skinny hull I'd like to use a 27 hp Universal diesel (under 350#
rigged. Imagine the range you would have!
Say, Gregg, could you cut a set of patterns for a guy?
charming boat. I've heard it's similar to the Tennessee and Idaho, is that
correct?
What is the beam of the Sneakbox? The narrowness of these things is just
shocking, but I suppose if you widen it 8"-12" you'd really compromise the
efficiency of the design.
What is your reaction to building the Idaho with a full skeg and amidships
inboard? I'm studying a 1200cc Subaru conversion, prop limited to about 35
hp. Very light (230# all up) and compact. If space is not prohibitive in
that skinny hull I'd like to use a 27 hp Universal diesel (under 350#
rigged. Imagine the range you would have!
Say, Gregg, could you cut a set of patterns for a guy?