Re: Dipping-lug-rigged cruisers
> OK, PCB & Co. have made a disciple out of meI want atrailerable
> cruiser with a dipping lug rig.I speak as one who has owned 4 boats with trailers. Do you want a
trailer boat or a trailererable boat? That is, do you want a boat
that you will launch/rig every time you sail, or just one that you
can take on vacation and take home in the winter?
Most trailer-sailers are at or under the 22', 2500lb threshold. Much
more than this and the car/ramp/trailer/rigging problems overtake the
sailing fun. At any size, it pays to work hard at optimizing the
boat/trailer combination. You would have the advantage of a short
mast with the dipping lug, but since it would be unstayed, it might
be heavy.
I've thought the Fast Motorsailer would be a great boat but I really
don't care for the rig myself. I think I might try twin rudders like
the new MJ version. I find it hard to imagine anyone sailing one
after seeing the pictures of one whizzing along at 35kts.
How fast do you want to motor?
Peter
Mathew:
Also check Michalak's archives:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/
We found with our Tennessee that a cockpit tent works great for sleeping
extra crew; or send the kids below while Mom and Pop take the tent. The
Tennessee is 30 feet long, but still has only one double below decks.
By the way, Don, our feeling when the kids no longer wanted to go on cruises
with us was one of relief. ;-)
Chuck
Matthew,
Have you looked at Jim Michalak's site? He has many trailerable cruisers
with
lug rigs. Those with balance lugs would work well with a dipping lug. Some
of
his boats are larger than SB86 while being smaller as well :-)
<A HREF="http://www.apci.net/~michalak/#Contents">Jim Michalak</A>
<A HREF="http://www.apci.net/~michalak/1jun99.htm#Scram+Pram">Jim
Michalak's
Boat Designs/The Index</A>
Drill around in here and look at the possibilities. I'd suggest that anyone
who is interested in the content of the Bolger list should have both of
Jim's
catalogs. They are cheap and full of good information about sails, oars,
camp
cruising, etc.
BTW, cruising a family such as yours takes a smaller boat than most would
think. I'd consider a SB68 oversized for such an application, unless you
were
planning offshore voyages. Birdwatcher, for instance, is really large for a
family of four, two of whom are school-aged children (for my needs, at
least). And when the kids reach mid-teen years, you'll be lucky if *one* of
them wants to cruise with mon 'n dad :- )
Of course, the real requirements are dictated by the owner's preferences and
pocketbook. As much as I like the looks of some of the much appreciated
designs, in my later years, I've come to appreciate the fact that others can
spend money and convenience on those useless overhangs while I keep my money
and opt for convenience and interior room of the bobbed camp cruisers.
Cheers/Step
Bolger rules!!!
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- stay on topic
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Also check Michalak's archives:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/
We found with our Tennessee that a cockpit tent works great for sleeping
extra crew; or send the kids below while Mom and Pop take the tent. The
Tennessee is 30 feet long, but still has only one double below decks.
By the way, Don, our feeling when the kids no longer wanted to go on cruises
with us was one of relief. ;-)
Chuck
Matthew,
Have you looked at Jim Michalak's site? He has many trailerable cruisers
with
lug rigs. Those with balance lugs would work well with a dipping lug. Some
of
his boats are larger than SB86 while being smaller as well :-)
<A HREF="http://www.apci.net/~michalak/#Contents">Jim Michalak</A>
<A HREF="http://www.apci.net/~michalak/1jun99.htm#Scram+Pram">Jim
Michalak's
Boat Designs/The Index</A>
Drill around in here and look at the possibilities. I'd suggest that anyone
who is interested in the content of the Bolger list should have both of
Jim's
catalogs. They are cheap and full of good information about sails, oars,
camp
cruising, etc.
BTW, cruising a family such as yours takes a smaller boat than most would
think. I'd consider a SB68 oversized for such an application, unless you
were
planning offshore voyages. Birdwatcher, for instance, is really large for a
family of four, two of whom are school-aged children (for my needs, at
least). And when the kids reach mid-teen years, you'll be lucky if *one* of
them wants to cruise with mon 'n dad :- )
Of course, the real requirements are dictated by the owner's preferences and
pocketbook. As much as I like the looks of some of the much appreciated
designs, in my later years, I've come to appreciate the fact that others can
spend money and convenience on those useless overhangs while I keep my money
and opt for convenience and interior room of the bobbed camp cruisers.
Cheers/Step
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
Don't dismiss the fast motorsailer. I went aboard Bob Cushing's fine example
(on the trailer), and the interior space is really impressive. Very cool
boat indeed.
-- Wade Leftwich
Ithaca, NY
(on the trailer), and the interior space is really impressive. Very cool
boat indeed.
-- Wade Leftwich
Ithaca, NY
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Long [mailto:matthew.long@...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 9:11 AM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Dipping-lug-rigged cruisers
>
>
> OK, PCB & Co. have made a disciple out of meI want a trailerable
> cruiser with a dipping lug rig. Since I'm not exactly ready for the
> America's Cup when it comes to sailing ability anyway, the
> motor-along-and-set-sail-when-you've-set-your-course strategy suits me
> just fine. I love the simplicity and the looks of the lug rig. Now
> (isn't it fun to dream), which boat to choose?
>
> Right now, I'd go for the Sea Bird '86. I am married, with one child
> and maybe another one in the future, so the Sea Bird is really too
> small, but a child's bunk could be rigged in corner. It's not a trailer
> sailor though, with that keel. Fast Motorsailer is more easily
> trailered, and could take a smaller engine, but it is also cramped.
> Weston Martyr, Resolution, and Ataraxia are all too much boat for me.
> Is there a Bolger design that combines the following qualities ?
>
> Dipping lug, either alone with a jigger
> Accommodations for 2 adults for a long coastal cruise, or 4 for a
> weekend
> Trailerable, at least for home storage in the winter, and ideally a
> trailer sailor
> Modest draft, say 3 feet max, and ideally much less
>
> Of course, Martha Jane comes to mind with her balanced lug rig, but for
> some reason that boat has never really appealed to me (sorry MJ
> builders!). I could also envision a lug-rigged Long Micro.
>
> Comments on these boats, or other suggestions?
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthew
>
> --
> Matthew Long, Agnès Peillet & Fletcher Shane Peillet-Long
> Saint-Priest (Rhône Alpes), France
> Boats, planes, baby and more! Des bateaux, des avions, le bébé, et
> encore plus!
>http://www.geocities.com/owlnmole
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
In a message dated 09/28/2000 9:<BR13:<BR20 AM
Eastern Daylight ,matthew.long@...writes:
Have you looked at Jim Michalak's site? He has many trailerable cruisers with
lug rigs. Those with balance lugs would work well with a dipping lug. Some of
his boats are larger than SB86 while being smaller as well :-)
<A HREF="http://www.apci.net/~michalak/#Contents">Jim Michalak</A>
<A HREF="http://www.apci.net/~michalak/1jun99.htm#Scram+Pram">Jim Michalak's
Boat Designs/The Index</A>
Drill around in here and look at the possibilities. I'd suggest that anyone
who is interested in the content of the Bolger list should have both of Jim's
catalogs. They are cheap and full of good information about sails, oars, camp
cruising, etc.
BTW, cruising a family such as yours takes a smaller boat than most would
think. I'd consider a SB68 oversized for such an application, unless you were
planning offshore voyages. Birdwatcher, for instance, is really large for a
family of four, two of whom are school-aged children (for my needs, at
least). And when the kids reach mid-teen years, you'll be lucky if *one* of
them wants to cruise with mon 'n dad :- )
Of course, the real requirements are dictated by the owner's preferences and
pocketbook. As much as I like the looks of some of the much appreciated
designs, in my later years, I've come to appreciate the fact that others can
spend money and convenience on those useless overhangs while I keep my money
and opt for convenience and interior room of the bobbed camp cruisers.
Cheers/Step
Eastern Daylight ,matthew.long@...writes:
> OK, PCB & Co. have made a disciple out of me—I want a trailerableMatthew,
> cruiser with a dipping lug rig.
Have you looked at Jim Michalak's site? He has many trailerable cruisers with
lug rigs. Those with balance lugs would work well with a dipping lug. Some of
his boats are larger than SB86 while being smaller as well :-)
<A HREF="http://www.apci.net/~michalak/#Contents">Jim Michalak</A>
<A HREF="http://www.apci.net/~michalak/1jun99.htm#Scram+Pram">Jim Michalak's
Boat Designs/The Index</A>
Drill around in here and look at the possibilities. I'd suggest that anyone
who is interested in the content of the Bolger list should have both of Jim's
catalogs. They are cheap and full of good information about sails, oars, camp
cruising, etc.
BTW, cruising a family such as yours takes a smaller boat than most would
think. I'd consider a SB68 oversized for such an application, unless you were
planning offshore voyages. Birdwatcher, for instance, is really large for a
family of four, two of whom are school-aged children (for my needs, at
least). And when the kids reach mid-teen years, you'll be lucky if *one* of
them wants to cruise with mon 'n dad :- )
Of course, the real requirements are dictated by the owner's preferences and
pocketbook. As much as I like the looks of some of the much appreciated
designs, in my later years, I've come to appreciate the fact that others can
spend money and convenience on those useless overhangs while I keep my money
and opt for convenience and interior room of the bobbed camp cruisers.
Cheers/Step
OK, PCB & Co. have made a disciple out of meI want a trailerable
cruiser with a dipping lug rig. Since I'm not exactly ready for the
America's Cup when it comes to sailing ability anyway, the
motor-along-and-set-sail-when-you've-set-your-course strategy suits me
just fine. I love the simplicity and the looks of the lug rig. Now
(isn't it fun to dream), which boat to choose?
Right now, I'd go for the Sea Bird '86. I am married, with one child
and maybe another one in the future, so the Sea Bird is really too
small, but a child's bunk could be rigged in corner. It's not a trailer
sailor though, with that keel. Fast Motorsailer is more easily
trailered, and could take a smaller engine, but it is also cramped.
Weston Martyr, Resolution, and Ataraxia are all too much boat for me.
Is there a Bolger design that combines the following qualities ?
Dipping lug, either alone with a jigger
Accommodations for 2 adults for a long coastal cruise, or 4 for a
weekend
Trailerable, at least for home storage in the winter, and ideally a
trailer sailor
Modest draft, say 3 feet max, and ideally much less
Of course, Martha Jane comes to mind with her balanced lug rig, but for
some reason that boat has never really appealed to me (sorry MJ
builders!). I could also envision a lug-rigged Long Micro.
Comments on these boats, or other suggestions?
Regards,
Matthew
--
Matthew Long, Agnès Peillet & Fletcher Shane Peillet-Long
Saint-Priest (Rhône Alpes), France
Boats, planes, baby and more! Des bateaux, des avions, le bébé, et
encore plus!
http://www.geocities.com/owlnmole
cruiser with a dipping lug rig. Since I'm not exactly ready for the
America's Cup when it comes to sailing ability anyway, the
motor-along-and-set-sail-when-you've-set-your-course strategy suits me
just fine. I love the simplicity and the looks of the lug rig. Now
(isn't it fun to dream), which boat to choose?
Right now, I'd go for the Sea Bird '86. I am married, with one child
and maybe another one in the future, so the Sea Bird is really too
small, but a child's bunk could be rigged in corner. It's not a trailer
sailor though, with that keel. Fast Motorsailer is more easily
trailered, and could take a smaller engine, but it is also cramped.
Weston Martyr, Resolution, and Ataraxia are all too much boat for me.
Is there a Bolger design that combines the following qualities ?
Dipping lug, either alone with a jigger
Accommodations for 2 adults for a long coastal cruise, or 4 for a
weekend
Trailerable, at least for home storage in the winter, and ideally a
trailer sailor
Modest draft, say 3 feet max, and ideally much less
Of course, Martha Jane comes to mind with her balanced lug rig, but for
some reason that boat has never really appealed to me (sorry MJ
builders!). I could also envision a lug-rigged Long Micro.
Comments on these boats, or other suggestions?
Regards,
Matthew
--
Matthew Long, Agnès Peillet & Fletcher Shane Peillet-Long
Saint-Priest (Rhône Alpes), France
Boats, planes, baby and more! Des bateaux, des avions, le bébé, et
encore plus!
http://www.geocities.com/owlnmole