Re: [bolger] Skillygalee
Absolutely fascinating construction photos -- I owuld never have the
patience to put in all the pieces!
Patrick
Nels wrote:
patience to put in all the pieces!
Patrick
Nels wrote:
>Anyone wanting to be reminded of what this design looks like?
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>http://thegreatsea.homestead.com/
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>Double Eagle as well!
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I hadn't looked at the web site for a while. Fritz has committed himself
to a spring 06 launch of the Double Eagle. He has set up a chartering
site and is taking reservations starting in June of this year for those
interested in voyaging on a Bolger boat amid spectacular scenery.
HJ
Nels wrote:
to a spring 06 launch of the Double Eagle. He has set up a chartering
site and is taking reservations starting in June of this year for those
interested in voyaging on a Bolger boat amid spectacular scenery.
HJ
Nels wrote:
> Anyone wanting to be reminded of what this design looks like?
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>http://thegreatsea.homestead.com/
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> Be sure to also view the photos of the building of the incredible
> Double Eagle as well!
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> Nels
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Anyone wanting to be reminded of what this design looks like?
http://thegreatsea.homestead.com/
Be sure to also view the photos of the building of the incredible
Double Eagle as well!
Nels
http://thegreatsea.homestead.com/
Be sure to also view the photos of the building of the incredible
Double Eagle as well!
Nels
> From all the correspondence, iassume that Burgundy is more fun to think about than to actually build and that no one has built one.....Burgundy would be a very fun and fast boat to build, like a large Teal.
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> John T
With the exception that it has a very large chunk of lead hanging
from her keel.
From all the correspondence, iassume that Burgundy is more fun to think about than to actually build and that no one has built one.....
John T
John T
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From: Bruce Hallman
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Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Skillygalee
> IMHO, Burgundy is one of those perfect freaks of the imagination.
> Accept her exactly as she is, or go on to another design.
...and accept the L.F. Herreshoff philosophy espoused in the Rozinante
chapters of _The Compleat Cruiser_, which is what Phil Bolger
did in his years spend cruising on Pointer.
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> IMHO, Burgundy is one of those perfect freaks of the imagination....and accept the L.F. Herreshoff philosophy espoused in the Rozinante
> Accept her exactly as she is, or go on to another design.
chapters of _The Compleat Cruiser_, which is what Phil Bolger
did in his years spend cruising on Pointer.
> Does anyone know if anyone has built Bolger's Burgundy?IMHO, Burgundy is one of those perfect freaks of the imagination.
Accept her exactly as she is, or go on to another design. That means
accept the novel construction, the lack of engine, the sails furled
around the masts, the empty interior, the rain-catching cockpit, ...
I suppose you could carry an air mattress and sleeping bag, and a
tent for the cockpit.
But what a wonderful daysailer if you had the right situation.
Another boat designed in a subconcious flash was Uffa Fox's Flying
Fifteen, or so Uffa reported.
Peter
> Does anyone know if anyone has built Bolger's Burgundy?In my imagination, I have built one many times.
>
> John T
I see from the Woodwind web site that she sold for under $5K in
Washington...what a bargain!
Washington...what a bargain!
Does anyone know if anyone has built Bolger's Burgundy?
John T
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From: Bruce Hallman
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Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Skillygalee
Curious about the shape of Skillygalley hull
here is a wireframe, she looks fast.
http://hallman.org/bolger/416/416.gif
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Curious about the shape of Skillygalley hull
here is a wireframe, she looks fast.
http://hallman.org/bolger/416/416.gif
here is a wireframe, she looks fast.
http://hallman.org/bolger/416/416.gif
Bruce,
Thanks for sharing the Skillygalee article, (as well as all the other great Bolger material you've archived and made available to the group). I never knew Skillygallee lived and cruised in our stomping grounds.... Great stuff!
Rick
Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
Tom Fulk wrote an article in the excellent magazine,
Messing About in Boats a while back, scans here:
http://hallman.org/bolger/461/
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Thanks for sharing the Skillygalee article, (as well as all the other great Bolger material you've archived and made available to the group). I never knew Skillygallee lived and cruised in our stomping grounds.... Great stuff!
Rick
Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
Tom Fulk wrote an article in the excellent magazine,
Messing About in Boats a while back, scans here:
http://hallman.org/bolger/461/
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> Does anyone have any idea what PB&F charges for minor adaptions likeHe charged $700 for the original design, a bargain, as usual.
> this. Might mean moving the centerboard a bit.
Moving the centerboard, means moving frame(s), which is
more than 'minor' adaption. Most likely he would say that his
backlog of design work is too large, let's see a complete I60
first.
Tom Fulk wrote an article in the excellent magazine,
Messing About in Boats a while back, scans here:
http://hallman.org/bolger/461/
Designed displacement is 5000 lb. Black Skimmer's is 2800 lb.
Although it's a lengthened Black Skimmer, most of the added length is
in the counter stern. The cabin (not much more than a cuddy) is
practically the same length and breadth as the BS, but it's about 4"
higher -- and also accommodates most of the centreboard trunk.
Some sort of gunter rig should be possible without changing the c/b
position. PCB could just about draw one blindfold, I'd say, although
he wouldn't charge any less for doing so ;-].
Howard
Although it's a lengthened Black Skimmer, most of the added length is
in the counter stern. The cabin (not much more than a cuddy) is
practically the same length and breadth as the BS, but it's about 4"
higher -- and also accommodates most of the centreboard trunk.
Some sort of gunter rig should be possible without changing the c/b
position. PCB could just about draw one blindfold, I'd say, although
he wouldn't charge any less for doing so ;-].
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Nelson" <joe_nelson22@h...> wrote:
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> Anyone know what the displacement of the Skillygalee is? Wondering
> if the boat was built with a cat ketch sailplan if the spars could
be
> shortened to the point that the boat could be trailer sailed. Does
> anyone have any idea what PB&F charges for minor adaptions like
> this. Might mean moving the centerboard a bit. Is there any info
on
> this boat on the web besides the one from Alaska?
>
> Should have a lot more room in the cabin than the Black Skimmer.
If
> a bit of ballast was added to the Black skimmer, would a little
more
> cabin height ruin the boats performance?
>
> Seems like there is a gap in designs in general and with Bolger.
The
> AS29 is a HUGE boat. The Black Skimmer is a small 25'er.
I thought a Black Skimmer with ballast plates and a raised cabin was a WD Jochems Schooner
Rick
If
a bit of ballast was added to the Black skimmer, would a little more
cabin height ruin the boats performance?
Seems like there is a gap in designs in general and with Bolger. The
AS29 is a HUGE boat. The Black Skimmer is a small 25'er.
Joe
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If
a bit of ballast was added to the Black skimmer, would a little more
cabin height ruin the boats performance?
Seems like there is a gap in designs in general and with Bolger. The
AS29 is a HUGE boat. The Black Skimmer is a small 25'er.
Joe
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Anyone know what the displacement of the Skillygalee is? Wondering
if the boat was built with a cat ketch sailplan if the spars could be
shortened to the point that the boat could be trailer sailed. Does
anyone have any idea what PB&F charges for minor adaptions like
this. Might mean moving the centerboard a bit. Is there any info on
this boat on the web besides the one from Alaska?
Should have a lot more room in the cabin than the Black Skimmer. If
a bit of ballast was added to the Black skimmer, would a little more
cabin height ruin the boats performance?
Seems like there is a gap in designs in general and with Bolger. The
AS29 is a HUGE boat. The Black Skimmer is a small 25'er.
Joe
if the boat was built with a cat ketch sailplan if the spars could be
shortened to the point that the boat could be trailer sailed. Does
anyone have any idea what PB&F charges for minor adaptions like
this. Might mean moving the centerboard a bit. Is there any info on
this boat on the web besides the one from Alaska?
Should have a lot more room in the cabin than the Black Skimmer. If
a bit of ballast was added to the Black skimmer, would a little more
cabin height ruin the boats performance?
Seems like there is a gap in designs in general and with Bolger. The
AS29 is a HUGE boat. The Black Skimmer is a small 25'er.
Joe
Hi Fritz --
Thanks for word of the original Skillygalee's existence. The fact
that you sail her on Glacier Bay answers one of my big questions
about Skillygalee -- do you worry about capsizing? I guess not. Any
sailing details or stories you'd care to share with the group would
be greatly appreciated -- as would a photo (or two or three) posted
to the files.
All best,
Garth
P.S. I'm not in the market to buy, though others here may be. I'm
a "problem builder" -- possibly more fixated on the challenges and
pleasures of building than on sailing (though it's a close call).
Thanks for word of the original Skillygalee's existence. The fact
that you sail her on Glacier Bay answers one of my big questions
about Skillygalee -- do you worry about capsizing? I guess not. Any
sailing details or stories you'd care to share with the group would
be greatly appreciated -- as would a photo (or two or three) posted
to the files.
All best,
Garth
P.S. I'm not in the market to buy, though others here may be. I'm
a "problem builder" -- possibly more fixated on the challenges and
pleasures of building than on sailing (though it's a close call).
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Fritz Koschmann" <fritzdfk@m...> wrote:
> I own the Skillygalee built by Fulk. . .
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Garth Battista" <garth@b...> wrote:
been built. It is a sweet boat, built to high standards with a long
life yet to go. Accommodation wise it is minimal, but it has a big
cockpit. Compared to Bolgers more recent sharpies the biggest
difference is usable interior space. The AS29 has vastly more room.
The off-center board while functional uses a lot of space inside. The
same boat with leeboards, Bolgers original plan, would be a great
improvement as far as the interior goes. This boat has a red cedar
strip planked bottom, while still in good shape I would opt for a
glass and epoxy on ply bottom now. I am building Bolgers Double Eagle
now and have been trying to sell the sharpie. It is in Southeast
Alaska which is very far away from most of you but the cruising here
is great. Glacier Bay is a few miles away. Buy the boat cruise next
summer then ship the boat south on a barge to Seattle. There was a
question a while ago concerning posting adds on this forum. I don't
know how that came out. Excuse me if I have broken the rules.
Fritz Koschmann
> Does anyone know of a Skillygalee ever being built? It's a fetchingI own the Skillygalee built by Fulk. I don't know if any others have
> 29' cat-yawl sharpie. Seems it would be a great weekend cruising
> boat. It's the Black Skimmer elongated, or AS-29 with much less
> freeboard and much less below-decks accommodation. It's in "30-Odd
> Boats," with full building plans and notes. Couldn't find any
> references to one in a quick web search. I'm still pretty much
> committed to starting a Chebacco this winter, but the eye does
> wander. So many Bolger boats, so little time . . .
>
> All best,
> Garth
been built. It is a sweet boat, built to high standards with a long
life yet to go. Accommodation wise it is minimal, but it has a big
cockpit. Compared to Bolgers more recent sharpies the biggest
difference is usable interior space. The AS29 has vastly more room.
The off-center board while functional uses a lot of space inside. The
same boat with leeboards, Bolgers original plan, would be a great
improvement as far as the interior goes. This boat has a red cedar
strip planked bottom, while still in good shape I would opt for a
glass and epoxy on ply bottom now. I am building Bolgers Double Eagle
now and have been trying to sell the sharpie. It is in Southeast
Alaska which is very far away from most of you but the cruising here
is great. Glacier Bay is a few miles away. Buy the boat cruise next
summer then ship the boat south on a barge to Seattle. There was a
question a while ago concerning posting adds on this forum. I don't
know how that came out. Excuse me if I have broken the rules.
Fritz Koschmann
, so little back yard. Clyde
Garth Battista wrote:
Garth Battista wrote:
> Does anyone know of a Skillygalee ever being built? It's a fetching
> 29' cat-yawl sharpie. Seems it would be a great weekend cruising
> boat. It's the Black Skimmer elongated, or AS-29 with much less
> freeboard and much less below-decks accommodation. It's in "30-Odd
> Boats," with full building plans and notes. Couldn't find any
> references to one in a quick web search. I'm still pretty much
> committed to starting a Chebacco this winter, but the eye does
> wander. So many Bolger boats, so little time . . .
>
> All best,
> Garth
>
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Skillyalee was written up in Voulme 14 Issue 16.
This appears in the MAIB index found at:
http://www.messingaboutinboats.com
Under the Index of All Printed articles
Dave Thibodeau
This appears in the MAIB index found at:
http://www.messingaboutinboats.com
Under the Index of All Printed articles
Dave Thibodeau
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Garth Battista" <garth@b...> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a Skillygalee ever being built? It's a fetching
> 29' cat-yawl sharpie. Seems it would be a great weekend cruising
> boat. It's the Black Skimmer elongated, or AS-29 with much less
> freeboard and much less below-decks accommodation. It's in "30-Odd
> Boats," with full building plans and notes. Couldn't find any
> references to one in a quick web search. I'm still pretty much
> committed to starting a Chebacco this winter, but the eye does
> wander. So many Bolger boats, so little time . . .
>
> All best,
> Garth
Peter --
Thanks for the feedback on Skillygalee vs. Chebacco. I think I'll
confine my sharpie yearnings to a Light Schooner, sometime after I
tackle that Chebacco. I am going to rummage through my old MAIBs,
though, just to have a quick parting look at the real-life Skilly.
And yes, the mainsail as pictured in BWAOM for the Chebacco 25 looks
gunter rigged, with a total (including mizzen) of 220 square feet vs.
176 on the smaller Chebaccos, while in the text PCB mentions they
kept the rig the same. Odd. I actually like the looks of the gaff rig
better, but the sprit rig you mention would make life a lot easier.
The motor-sailer plan explicity says "246 lbs. lead" in the keel
whereas none of the others mention it. But I seem to remember reading
(in Chebacco News?) that they frequently are ballasted to some degree.
Anyway -- onward. Thanks again.
All best,
Garth
Thanks for the feedback on Skillygalee vs. Chebacco. I think I'll
confine my sharpie yearnings to a Light Schooner, sometime after I
tackle that Chebacco. I am going to rummage through my old MAIBs,
though, just to have a quick parting look at the real-life Skilly.
And yes, the mainsail as pictured in BWAOM for the Chebacco 25 looks
gunter rigged, with a total (including mizzen) of 220 square feet vs.
176 on the smaller Chebaccos, while in the text PCB mentions they
kept the rig the same. Odd. I actually like the looks of the gaff rig
better, but the sprit rig you mention would make life a lot easier.
The motor-sailer plan explicity says "246 lbs. lead" in the keel
whereas none of the others mention it. But I seem to remember reading
(in Chebacco News?) that they frequently are ballasted to some degree.
Anyway -- onward. Thanks again.
All best,
Garth
> Does anyone know of a Skillygalee ever being built?Mr. Fulk, the gentleman mentioned in the article, did build himself a
very nice example. There was quite a write-up in MAIB with some good
pictures about the time he sold it a couple of years ago.
It looked a little higher-sided in the pictures than I imagined it
from the drawings. This is my failure to visualize properly of course.
It would have more interior room than the Chebacco 25 I think, but
the latter looks like such a sweet boat. Of course it is not likely
than any stock plan will match a buyer's preferences 100%, but the
things about the C-25 that don't appeal to me would all be fixed by
changing to a one-piece mast with sprit boom - the Skillygallee or
Long Micro rig. If you are willing to deal with the much bigger mast
(as you would with Skilly) then I think it would be the way to go.
The sail could be almost exactly the same shape.
Do you get the feeling, as I do, that there were editorial lapses in
the Chebacco 25 description in MWAOM? For example, he says the rig is
carried over from the standard Chebacco, but it is illustrated as
considerably different. Are those lead ballast castings on the keel?
I had one Bolger flat bottom boat, a Cynthia J. After a couple years,
the noisy bow really got to me. Besides, I'd want to join in the fun
with the Catboat Association. So, I'd go with the Chebacco.
Peter
Does anyone know of a Skillygalee ever being built? It's a fetching
29' cat-yawl sharpie. Seems it would be a great weekend cruising
boat. It's the Black Skimmer elongated, or AS-29 with much less
freeboard and much less below-decks accommodation. It's in "30-Odd
Boats," with full building plans and notes. Couldn't find any
references to one in a quick web search. I'm still pretty much
committed to starting a Chebacco this winter, but the eye does
wander. So many Bolger boats, so little time . . .
All best,
Garth
29' cat-yawl sharpie. Seems it would be a great weekend cruising
boat. It's the Black Skimmer elongated, or AS-29 with much less
freeboard and much less below-decks accommodation. It's in "30-Odd
Boats," with full building plans and notes. Couldn't find any
references to one in a quick web search. I'm still pretty much
committed to starting a Chebacco this winter, but the eye does
wander. So many Bolger boats, so little time . . .
All best,
Garth