Re: [bolger] Re: Battened square rig?
In a message dated 10/11/00 7:09:20 PM Central Daylight Time,
UncleRalph@...writes:
<< What you described is a dipping lug, not a standing lug. >>
Once again I stand corrected! Now, how do you tack the "battened square
rig", if at all?
Curious-er
Bill in MN
UncleRalph@...writes:
<< What you described is a dipping lug, not a standing lug. >>
Once again I stand corrected! Now, how do you tack the "battened square
rig", if at all?
Curious-er
Bill in MN
Bill
I spoke rather unclearly. the spuare riged ships could tack because
the hull was pointing about 45 degree off the wind the sales held by
the yarsds above and below them there parrell with the wind and
bellyed forward producing lift like an aircrant wing
when they changed direction bu putting the held over the yards
were
swud around the mast to a position 90 degrees from where then were
before if left in the origional position the sales would be backed
aginst the mast and the ship stoped this was what I ment about the
lug
rigs
thankyou
jeffery
I spoke rather unclearly. the spuare riged ships could tack because
the hull was pointing about 45 degree off the wind the sales held by
the yarsds above and below them there parrell with the wind and
bellyed forward producing lift like an aircrant wing
when they changed direction bu putting the held over the yards
were
swud around the mast to a position 90 degrees from where then were
before if left in the origional position the sales would be backed
aginst the mast and the ship stoped this was what I ment about the
lug
rigs
thankyou
jeffery
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, wmrpage@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/10/00 9:24:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
> freedem@e... writes:
>
> << ike a lug rig and other square sales it can be
> sheeted
> around the mask so it is down wind of the mast. >>
>
> If I understand the concept correctly (a dubious proposition, at
best), with
> a standing lug, the sail has to be lowered and the sail and yard
carried
> around to the other side of the mast when changing tacks (hardly an
> improvement on handling a genoa jib) . I suppose on this battened
square-sail
> concept all changes of tack could be made by jibing without
lowering
the sail
> as the luff and leach are interchangeable. This would be
inconvenient in
> confined waters, but probably no problem for blue-water sailors. I
think that
> square rigged ships were able to tack, after a fashion, but how
they
> accomplished that (if they did) is a mystery to me.
>
> Being a cheapskate, I haven't supplemented "100 Small Boat Rigs"
with the new
> edition. Has anyone given this rig a real trial on something other
than a
> proa?
>
> Curiouser and Curiouse
Bill,
What you described is a dipping lug, not a standing lug. On a
dipping
lug the tack of the sail is fastened forward of the mast and it and
the yard must be moved from one side of the mast to the other when
tacking. The standing lug has the tack fastened at the base of the
mast and the yard remains on the same side of the mast on both tacks.
Ralph
What you described is a dipping lug, not a standing lug. On a
dipping
lug the tack of the sail is fastened forward of the mast and it and
the yard must be moved from one side of the mast to the other when
tacking. The standing lug has the tack fastened at the base of the
mast and the yard remains on the same side of the mast on both tacks.
Ralph
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, wmrpage@a... wrote:
> If I understand the concept correctly (a dubious proposition, at
best), with
> a standing lug, the sail has to be lowered and the sail and yard
carried
> around to the other side of the mast when changing tacks (hardly an
> improvement on handling a genoa jib) .
> Bill in MN
In a message dated 10/10/00 9:24:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
freedem@...writes:
<< ike a lug rig and other square sales it can be
sheeted
around the mask so it is down wind of the mast. >>
If I understand the concept correctly (a dubious proposition, at best), with
a standing lug, the sail has to be lowered and the sail and yard carried
around to the other side of the mast when changing tacks (hardly an
improvement on handling a genoa jib) . I suppose on this battened square-sail
concept all changes of tack could be made by jibing without lowering the sail
as the luff and leach are interchangeable. This would be inconvenient in
confined waters, but probably no problem for blue-water sailors. I think that
square rigged ships were able to tack, after a fashion, but how they
accomplished that (if they did) is a mystery to me.
Being a cheapskate, I haven't supplemented "100 Small Boat Rigs" with the new
edition. Has anyone given this rig a real trial on something other than a
proa?
Curiouser and Curiouser,
Bill in MN
freedem@...writes:
<< ike a lug rig and other square sales it can be
sheeted
around the mask so it is down wind of the mast. >>
If I understand the concept correctly (a dubious proposition, at best), with
a standing lug, the sail has to be lowered and the sail and yard carried
around to the other side of the mast when changing tacks (hardly an
improvement on handling a genoa jib) . I suppose on this battened square-sail
concept all changes of tack could be made by jibing without lowering the sail
as the luff and leach are interchangeable. This would be inconvenient in
confined waters, but probably no problem for blue-water sailors. I think that
square rigged ships were able to tack, after a fashion, but how they
accomplished that (if they did) is a mystery to me.
Being a cheapskate, I haven't supplemented "100 Small Boat Rigs" with the new
edition. Has anyone given this rig a real trial on something other than a
proa?
Curiouser and Curiouser,
Bill in MN
The use of the rig in Canard was just a trial. I assumed he shifted
it to the other side for the other tack. Perhaps you can jibe it
around.
PHV
The "Canard" (a word with interesting
it to the other side for the other tack. Perhaps you can jibe it
around.
PHV
The "Canard" (a word with interesting
> connotations in both English and French), on the other hand, wouldchange
> tacks in a conventional manner (despite its being a bow-steerer),which would
> put the battens on the windward side on the other tack than thatshown in the
> photo.
Some more questions.
Did you use a sprit boom or is it loose footed?
And I notice the drawing shows the center of effort way forward of the
centerboard?
Does she point at all?
Do you have lee helm?
I really like the looks of this rig and am thinking of trying it on my
Summer Breeze. I love that it can be easily struck and maybe even
reefed. Seems the rig would stow fairly well to, if you had to row home.
Thanks,
David
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Did you use a sprit boom or is it loose footed?
And I notice the drawing shows the center of effort way forward of the
centerboard?
Does she point at all?
Do you have lee helm?
I really like the looks of this rig and am thinking of trying it on my
Summer Breeze. I love that it can be easily struck and maybe even
reefed. Seems the rig would stow fairly well to, if you had to row home.
Thanks,
David
GHC wrote:
>--
> Those are 5/8" wide flat pultruded fiberglass.
>
> Gregg
>
> At 01:02 PM 10/10/2000 -0400, you wrote:
> >Gregg,
> > Your whitehall looks great. I'm interested in that sail. What did you
> >use for battens?
> >David Beede
> >
> >GHC wrote:
> >>
> >> Matthew,
> >>
> >> I guess your idea is essentially approaching a junk rig.
> >>
> >> I did fully-batten a balanced lug rig on a dinghy, and it seems to be a
> >> great sail. With a low center of effort, the battens seem to improve the
> >> windward performance and "fix" the "bad" tack by supporting the luff. Of
> >> course, this is all subjective unless you do some real side-by-side
> >> testing. I can add, at least in a small sail without parrels,
> >> setting/dousing is a snap. Unfortunately, the pic here -
> >>http://www.carlsondesign.com/projects.html(whitehall) - is taken as it's
> >> coming down, but it might give you the idea.
> >>
> >> Gregg Carlson
> >>
> >> At 09:28 PM 10/9/2000 -0000, you wrote:
> >> >Like all of us, I imagine, I often find myself daydreaming about "what
> >> >if" boats prompted by some idea or another of PCB.
> >> >
> >> >One that I often come back to is the rig from Margaret Mead in
> >> >DIFFERENT BOATS, a proposed giant sailing ark (210' x 43', 10,000 sq ft
> >> >sail area) for transporting live plants, fish, etc. slowly but
> >> >economically. Nancy Jack (50' x 10', 500 sq ft sail area), a 1/4 scale
> >> >proof of concept model like a giant Windsprint hull, was built and
> >> >tested (with fore and aft daggerboards and a bow rudder, by the way!)
> >> >
> >> >The rig used two short unstayed box masts hoisting single battened
> >> >squaresails, with small topmasts hoisting triangular topsails from the
> >> >ends of the top yards to the tip of the topmast. The effect was a
> >> >cartoon simplification of old square riggers:
> >> >
> >> > /\ /\
> >> > / |\ / |\
> >> >
> >> > ---|-- ---|--
> >> > ---|-- ---|--
> >> > | |
> >> > _______|__________|_____
> >> > \_____________________/
> >> >
> >> >My daydream is of a family liveaboard cruiser, say 32', with a two- or
> >> >even three-masted version of this rig in miniature. 12' hollow box
> >> >masts, 12' stick topmasts, everything easily handled and redundant.
> >> >With a little motor and accommodations for a small family, it would be
> >> >great fun! Or maybe an even smaller 24' weekender, with 8' masts and
> >> >camp-style accommodations....
> >> >
> >> >Comments?
> >> >
> >> >Matthew
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Bolger rules!!!
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> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Bolger rules!!!
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> >> - stay on topic
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> >
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> >
> >
>
>
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In 103 boat rigs ( avaible from Phil Bolger and friends)
there is a fully battened square sail like you noted in ch 23 the
reason is that like a lug rig and other square sales it can be
sheeted
around the mask so it is down wind of the mast. when it is kept on
the upwind side of the mast this is called" backing" the sail and is
used to stop the ship the fully battened square sail is likely one
of
the top 10 genious designs of Mr bolger
Jeffery
there is a fully battened square sail like you noted in ch 23 the
reason is that like a lug rig and other square sales it can be
sheeted
around the mask so it is down wind of the mast. when it is kept on
the upwind side of the mast this is called" backing" the sail and is
used to stop the ship the fully battened square sail is likely one
of
the top 10 genious designs of Mr bolger
Jeffery
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, wmrpage@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/10/00 5:36:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
> pvanderw@o... writes:
>
> << On the subject of battened square rig, the rig shown in Chapters
23
> and 24 of Boats With An Open Mind looks like it has a lot of
promise. >>
>
> I'm curious about the rig shown in Chapter 23 of BWAOM - the sail
certainly
> resembles that in Chapter 24, but the latter is a proa, so the
battens would
> always be on the lee side of the mast. The "Canard" (a word with
interesting
> connotations in both English and French), on the other hand, would
change
> tacks in a conventional manner (despite its being a bow-steerer),
which would
> put the battens on the windward side on the other tack than that
shown in the
> photo. I wonder what happens then? Of course, sailing a
square-rigged boat
> may be more like handling a proa than those of us with only
fore-and-aft sail
> experience might readily realize. The sketch of the sail plan for
"Canard"
> shows a leg-of-mutton with a wishbone sprit and the text makes no
reference
> to the rig shown in the photograph.
>
> The rig shown in Chapter 24 is intriguing - on paper, it looks like
it might
> be very aerodynamic, but I wonder if it wouldn't be subject to the
vice of
> excessive twist at the head that Bolger comments on in his
discussion of
> "junk" ("Chinese lug sail) rigs in "100 Small Boat Rigs".
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts to share on this topic?
>
> Cur
In a message dated 10/10/00 5:36:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
pvanderw@...writes:
<< On the subject of battened square rig, the rig shown in Chapters 23
and 24 of Boats With An Open Mind looks like it has a lot of promise. >>
I'm curious about the rig shown in Chapter 23 of BWAOM - the sail certainly
resembles that in Chapter 24, but the latter is a proa, so the battens would
always be on the lee side of the mast. The "Canard" (a word with interesting
connotations in both English and French), on the other hand, would change
tacks in a conventional manner (despite its being a bow-steerer), which would
put the battens on the windward side on the other tack than that shown in the
photo. I wonder what happens then? Of course, sailing a square-rigged boat
may be more like handling a proa than those of us with only fore-and-aft sail
experience might readily realize. The sketch of the sail plan for "Canard"
shows a leg-of-mutton with a wishbone sprit and the text makes no reference
to the rig shown in the photograph.
The rig shown in Chapter 24 is intriguing - on paper, it looks like it might
be very aerodynamic, but I wonder if it wouldn't be subject to the vice of
excessive twist at the head that Bolger comments on in his discussion of
"junk" ("Chinese lug sail) rigs in "100 Small Boat Rigs".
Does anyone have any thoughts to share on this topic?
Curiously,
Bill in MN
pvanderw@...writes:
<< On the subject of battened square rig, the rig shown in Chapters 23
and 24 of Boats With An Open Mind looks like it has a lot of promise. >>
I'm curious about the rig shown in Chapter 23 of BWAOM - the sail certainly
resembles that in Chapter 24, but the latter is a proa, so the battens would
always be on the lee side of the mast. The "Canard" (a word with interesting
connotations in both English and French), on the other hand, would change
tacks in a conventional manner (despite its being a bow-steerer), which would
put the battens on the windward side on the other tack than that shown in the
photo. I wonder what happens then? Of course, sailing a square-rigged boat
may be more like handling a proa than those of us with only fore-and-aft sail
experience might readily realize. The sketch of the sail plan for "Canard"
shows a leg-of-mutton with a wishbone sprit and the text makes no reference
to the rig shown in the photograph.
The rig shown in Chapter 24 is intriguing - on paper, it looks like it might
be very aerodynamic, but I wonder if it wouldn't be subject to the vice of
excessive twist at the head that Bolger comments on in his discussion of
"junk" ("Chinese lug sail) rigs in "100 Small Boat Rigs".
Does anyone have any thoughts to share on this topic?
Curiously,
Bill in MN
> Those are 5/8" wide flat pultruded fiberglass.ugly word, "pultruded".
On the subject of battened square rig, the rig shown in Chapters 23
and 24 of Boats With An Open Mind looks like it has a lot of promise.
PHV
Gregg,
Your whitehall looks great. I'm interested in that sail. What did you
use for battens?
David Beede
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Your whitehall looks great. I'm interested in that sail. What did you
use for battens?
David Beede
GHC wrote:
>--
> Matthew,
>
> I guess your idea is essentially approaching a junk rig.
>
> I did fully-batten a balanced lug rig on a dinghy, and it seems to be a
> great sail. With a low center of effort, the battens seem to improve the
> windward performance and "fix" the "bad" tack by supporting the luff. Of
> course, this is all subjective unless you do some real side-by-side
> testing. I can add, at least in a small sail without parrels,
> setting/dousing is a snap. Unfortunately, the pic here -
>http://www.carlsondesign.com/projects.html(whitehall) - is taken as it's
> coming down, but it might give you the idea.
>
> Gregg Carlson
>
> At 09:28 PM 10/9/2000 -0000, you wrote:
> >Like all of us, I imagine, I often find myself daydreaming about "what
> >if" boats prompted by some idea or another of PCB.
> >
> >One that I often come back to is the rig from Margaret Mead in
> >DIFFERENT BOATS, a proposed giant sailing ark (210' x 43', 10,000 sq ft
> >sail area) for transporting live plants, fish, etc. slowly but
> >economically. Nancy Jack (50' x 10', 500 sq ft sail area), a 1/4 scale
> >proof of concept model like a giant Windsprint hull, was built and
> >tested (with fore and aft daggerboards and a bow rudder, by the way!)
> >
> >The rig used two short unstayed box masts hoisting single battened
> >squaresails, with small topmasts hoisting triangular topsails from the
> >ends of the top yards to the tip of the topmast. The effect was a
> >cartoon simplification of old square riggers:
> >
> > /\ /\
> > / |\ / |\
> >
> > ---|-- ---|--
> > ---|-- ---|--
> > | |
> > _______|__________|_____
> > \_____________________/
> >
> >My daydream is of a family liveaboard cruiser, say 32', with a two- or
> >even three-masted version of this rig in miniature. 12' hollow box
> >masts, 12' stick topmasts, everything easily handled and redundant.
> >With a little motor and accommodations for a small family, it would be
> >great fun! Or maybe an even smaller 24' weekender, with 8' masts and
> >camp-style accommodations....
> >
> >Comments?
> >
> >Matthew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Bolger rules!!!
> >- no cursing
> >- stay on topic
> >- use punctuation
> >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> >- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> >
> >
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
SOME CLICKS THAT COUNT!!
Feed someone.
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Save a little rain forest.
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http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/index.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/index.html
Here's my latest boat:
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/summerbreeze.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/summerbreeze.html
Quasi esoteric musical instruments
http://unicornstrings.com
Those are 5/8" wide flat pultruded fiberglass.
Gregg
At 01:02 PM 10/10/2000 -0400, you wrote:
Gregg
At 01:02 PM 10/10/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>Gregg,
> Your whitehall looks great. I'm interested in that sail. What did you
>use for battens?
>David Beede
>
>GHC wrote:
>>
>> Matthew,
>>
>> I guess your idea is essentially approaching a junk rig.
>>
>> I did fully-batten a balanced lug rig on a dinghy, and it seems to be a
>> great sail. With a low center of effort, the battens seem to improve the
>> windward performance and "fix" the "bad" tack by supporting the luff. Of
>> course, this is all subjective unless you do some real side-by-side
>> testing. I can add, at least in a small sail without parrels,
>> setting/dousing is a snap. Unfortunately, the pic here -
>>http://www.carlsondesign.com/projects.html(whitehall) - is taken as it's
>> coming down, but it might give you the idea.
>>
>> Gregg Carlson
>>
>> At 09:28 PM 10/9/2000 -0000, you wrote:
>> >Like all of us, I imagine, I often find myself daydreaming about "what
>> >if" boats prompted by some idea or another of PCB.
>> >
>> >One that I often come back to is the rig from Margaret Mead in
>> >DIFFERENT BOATS, a proposed giant sailing ark (210' x 43', 10,000 sq ft
>> >sail area) for transporting live plants, fish, etc. slowly but
>> >economically. Nancy Jack (50' x 10', 500 sq ft sail area), a 1/4 scale
>> >proof of concept model like a giant Windsprint hull, was built and
>> >tested (with fore and aft daggerboards and a bow rudder, by the way!)
>> >
>> >The rig used two short unstayed box masts hoisting single battened
>> >squaresails, with small topmasts hoisting triangular topsails from the
>> >ends of the top yards to the tip of the topmast. The effect was a
>> >cartoon simplification of old square riggers:
>> >
>> > /\ /\
>> > / |\ / |\
>> >
>> > ---|-- ---|--
>> > ---|-- ---|--
>> > | |
>> > _______|__________|_____
>> > \_____________________/
>> >
>> >My daydream is of a family liveaboard cruiser, say 32', with a two- or
>> >even three-masted version of this rig in miniature. 12' hollow box
>> >masts, 12' stick topmasts, everything easily handled and redundant.
>> >With a little motor and accommodations for a small family, it would be
>> >great fun! Or maybe an even smaller 24' weekender, with 8' masts and
>> >camp-style accommodations....
>> >
>> >Comments?
>> >
>> >Matthew
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Bolger rules!!!
>> >- no cursing
>> >- stay on topic
>> >- use punctuation
>> >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>> >- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Bolger rules!!!
>> - no cursing
>> - stay on topic
>> - use punctuation
>> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>--
>
>SOME CLICKS THAT COUNT!!
>Feed someone.
>http://www.thehungersite.com/
>Save a little rain forest.
>http://rainforest.care2.com/front.html/player12296
>
>Simplicity Boats (& mirror sites)
>http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/index.html
>http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/index.html
>Here's my latest boat:
>http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/summerbreeze.html
>http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/summerbreeze.html
>Quasi esoteric musical instruments
>http://unicornstrings.com
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing
>- stay on topic
>- use punctuation
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>
Matthew,
I guess your idea is essentially approaching a junk rig.
I did fully-batten a balanced lug rig on a dinghy, and it seems to be a
great sail. With a low center of effort, the battens seem to improve the
windward performance and "fix" the "bad" tack by supporting the luff. Of
course, this is all subjective unless you do some real side-by-side
testing. I can add, at least in a small sail without parrels,
setting/dousing is a snap. Unfortunately, the pic here -
http://www.carlsondesign.com/projects.html(whitehall) - is taken as it's
coming down, but it might give you the idea.
Gregg Carlson
At 09:28 PM 10/9/2000 -0000, you wrote:
I guess your idea is essentially approaching a junk rig.
I did fully-batten a balanced lug rig on a dinghy, and it seems to be a
great sail. With a low center of effort, the battens seem to improve the
windward performance and "fix" the "bad" tack by supporting the luff. Of
course, this is all subjective unless you do some real side-by-side
testing. I can add, at least in a small sail without parrels,
setting/dousing is a snap. Unfortunately, the pic here -
http://www.carlsondesign.com/projects.html(whitehall) - is taken as it's
coming down, but it might give you the idea.
Gregg Carlson
At 09:28 PM 10/9/2000 -0000, you wrote:
>Like all of us, I imagine, I often find myself daydreaming about "what
>if" boats prompted by some idea or another of PCB.
>
>One that I often come back to is the rig from Margaret Mead in
>DIFFERENT BOATS, a proposed giant sailing ark (210' x 43', 10,000 sq ft
>sail area) for transporting live plants, fish, etc. slowly but
>economically. Nancy Jack (50' x 10', 500 sq ft sail area), a 1/4 scale
>proof of concept model like a giant Windsprint hull, was built and
>tested (with fore and aft daggerboards and a bow rudder, by the way!)
>
>The rig used two short unstayed box masts hoisting single battened
>squaresails, with small topmasts hoisting triangular topsails from the
>ends of the top yards to the tip of the topmast. The effect was a
>cartoon simplification of old square riggers:
>
> /\ /\
> / |\ / |\
>
> ---|-- ---|--
> ---|-- ---|--
> | |
> _______|__________|_____
> \_____________________/
>
>My daydream is of a family liveaboard cruiser, say 32', with a two- or
>even three-masted version of this rig in miniature. 12' hollow box
>masts, 12' stick topmasts, everything easily handled and redundant.
>With a little motor and accommodations for a small family, it would be
>great fun! Or maybe an even smaller 24' weekender, with 8' masts and
>camp-style accommodations....
>
>Comments?
>
>Matthew
>
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing
>- stay on topic
>- use punctuation
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>
Like all of us, I imagine, I often find myself daydreaming about "what
if" boats prompted by some idea or another of PCB.
One that I often come back to is the rig from Margaret Mead in
DIFFERENT BOATS, a proposed giant sailing ark (210' x 43', 10,000 sq ft
sail area) for transporting live plants, fish, etc. slowly but
economically. Nancy Jack (50' x 10', 500 sq ft sail area), a 1/4 scale
proof of concept model like a giant Windsprint hull, was built and
tested (with fore and aft daggerboards and a bow rudder, by the way!)
The rig used two short unstayed box masts hoisting single battened
squaresails, with small topmasts hoisting triangular topsails from the
ends of the top yards to the tip of the topmast. The effect was a
cartoon simplification of old square riggers:
/\ /\
/ |\ / |\
---|-- ---|--
---|-- ---|--
| |
_______|__________|_____
\_____________________/
My daydream is of a family liveaboard cruiser, say 32', with a two- or
even three-masted version of this rig in miniature. 12' hollow box
masts, 12' stick topmasts, everything easily handled and redundant.
With a little motor and accommodations for a small family, it would be
great fun! Or maybe an even smaller 24' weekender, with 8' masts and
camp-style accommodations....
Comments?
Matthew
if" boats prompted by some idea or another of PCB.
One that I often come back to is the rig from Margaret Mead in
DIFFERENT BOATS, a proposed giant sailing ark (210' x 43', 10,000 sq ft
sail area) for transporting live plants, fish, etc. slowly but
economically. Nancy Jack (50' x 10', 500 sq ft sail area), a 1/4 scale
proof of concept model like a giant Windsprint hull, was built and
tested (with fore and aft daggerboards and a bow rudder, by the way!)
The rig used two short unstayed box masts hoisting single battened
squaresails, with small topmasts hoisting triangular topsails from the
ends of the top yards to the tip of the topmast. The effect was a
cartoon simplification of old square riggers:
/\ /\
/ |\ / |\
---|-- ---|--
---|-- ---|--
| |
_______|__________|_____
\_____________________/
My daydream is of a family liveaboard cruiser, say 32', with a two- or
even three-masted version of this rig in miniature. 12' hollow box
masts, 12' stick topmasts, everything easily handled and redundant.
With a little motor and accommodations for a small family, it would be
great fun! Or maybe an even smaller 24' weekender, with 8' masts and
camp-style accommodations....
Comments?
Matthew