Re: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for ma sts)
hey cyber. thanks for the nice tip on bird-mouth masts. They look good. I've
aways used Doug Fir (clear) and tapered them as in Bolger's designs. The weight
on the top end seems OK to me and masts are plenty strong. Still, clear doug
fir is not cheap.
George Fulk
Cyber Rebel wrote:
aways used Doug Fir (clear) and tapered them as in Bolger's designs. The weight
on the top end seems OK to me and masts are plenty strong. Still, clear doug
fir is not cheap.
George Fulk
Cyber Rebel wrote:
> After much ruminating today, I've decided a few things:
> A. I don't want to spend $300-400 dollars on masts.
> B. I'm not happy about the amount of aloft weight from solid Doug Fir.
> C. I don't want to use the garbage 2x4s from Home Depot AND make the masts
> narrower than is recommended in the plans.
>
> Solution? I'm going to try my luck at using the slightly better wood found
> in 2x10s and making the masts "bird's eye" style over the weekend. I figure
> even if I screw it up, I'm only out a fraction of the cost of better lumber.
> If it goes well, I have strong, cheap, lightweight masts. For anyone that
> hasn't yet seen it, the following page is very informative on the subject:
>http://www.vcnet.com/~fhagan/hints.htm
>
> Stephen Lane
> Baltimore, Maryland
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> __
> Human beings can always be counted upon to assert, with vigor, their
> God-given right to be stupid.
> -Dean Koontz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Orr, Jamie <jorr@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for ma
> sts)
>
> > Seems a shame to go thinner using weaker wood. Why not make a sandwich of
> a
> > couple of 2x4's with a 1x4 in the middle? Maybe go with 2x6's and a 1x6
> to
> > give yourself some slack -- it'll make it easier when you glue, and you
> can
> > accommodate some bend in the stock.
> >
> > Or check out Payson's method of laminating Bobcat's mast, which leaves a
> > square hole up the centre. Still a sandwich, but with the "meat" in two
> > pieces. I used this method on my 4" mast with no problem. Look up "Build
> > the Instant Catboat" in your library, or dig out the old WoodenBoat
> building
> > article (or was it SBJ?)
> >
> > Jamie Orr
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cyber Rebel [mailto:secesh@...]
> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:02 AM
> > To:bolger@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for
> > masts)
> >
> >
> > So are the 2x4s you used actually 2x4s or did you round the masts smaller
> > than the plans call for? Unfortunately, all the good clear timber was used
> > up frivolously a long time ago. I recently built a bathroom in my house,
> and
> > had to install a flush-fit medicine cabinet in an existing wall. When I
> cut
> > the wall open, I found that the studs in my 30 year old townhouse are all
> > made from the prettiest old growth, tight vertical grain, clear Douglas
> Fir
> > 2x4s that you can imagine! Seems a shame to have all of this prime
> > boatbuilding lumber going to waste just to hold up my house! I found a 9
> > foot length of similarly beautiful wood for the gaffs of the Schooner, and
> > paid $16.65 for it! If; 30 years ago, this lumber had cost even 1/2 that,
> my
> > house would never have been built. Anyway, I've decided there's no way I'm
> > paying $288 for masts, so I'm going to use the crappy No. 2 SPF from Home
> > Depot. How much difference in strength is there going to be if I make 3"
> > masts instead of 3 1/2"?
> >
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> > __
> > Human beings can always be counted upon to assert, with vigor, their
> > God-given right to be stupid.
> > -Dean Koontz
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Ryan <david@...>
> > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 12:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for
> > masts)
> >
> >
> > > The masts on my recently launched light scooner are laminated lumber
> > > yard 2x4s. I took a little time to find "complementary" sticks so I
> > > could put the flaws of one board against a good portion of the other.
> > >
> > > I think their going to be fine, and if they're not, they only cost
> > > about 3 dollars a foot, including epoxy.
> > >
> > > In this day, you've got to take all that "clear lumber" stuff in with
> > > a grain of salt. There just isn't that much clear lumber, and what
> > > there is'll cost you plenty. I'm sure if there was a new addition of
> > > of "Instant Boats" written today, you'd find plenty of advice on how
> > > to use all this shitty lumber.
> > >
> > > I was lucky enough to find a clear 2x10 28 feet long that gave me my
> > > chine logs and sheer clamps. Right on top of the unit.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > > >Well, it's a shame Maryland is so far from Oregon! I finally found a
> mill
> > > >able to supply me with 2"x8"x16' clear rough-cut Doug Fir. They can rip
> > this
> > > >down to the correct dimensions. Unfortunately, they want $9.00 a linear
> > > >foot. That equates to $288.00 total! Arrrggghh!!! I can use aluminum
> flag
> > > >poles; ala Gregg Carlson, for $390.00, but the object is to keep costs
> to
> > a
> > > >minimum. I think I'm going to resort to laminating the masts from
> > standard
> > > >lumberyard SPF stock, which is probably White Pine. I already used it
> for
> > > >the booms, and it's very lightweight. The piece of clear Doug Fir that
> I
> > > >managed to find for the gaffs (strength is more of a factor here) is
> > > >considerably heavier. I'm thinking of using two 2x4s and a single 1x4,
> > > >making the finished dimensions 3 1/2" x 3 3/4" which can be planed down
> > to 3
> > > >1/2 x 3 1/2. Of course, the quality of the SPF stock is absolutely
> > > >repugnant, but at least it's cheap. Hmmm... I wonder how much the
> freight
> > > >charges from Oregon would be???
> > > >
> > > >Stephen Lane
> > > >Baltimore, Maryland
> > >
> >
> >___________________________________________________________________________
> > _
> > > >__
> > > >Human beings can always be counted upon to assert, with vigor, their
> > > >God-given right to be stupid.
> > > > -Dean
> Koontz
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: <pateson@...>
> > > >To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:18 AM
> > > >Subject: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for
> > masts)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...>
> wrote:
> > > >> > > I've often wondered about
> > > >> > > cutting a few down, drying them (how long is necessary?) and
> > > >> > > planing/sanding off the bark and an extraneous knobs, branches,
> > > >> > etc.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > From Pete Culler's Skiffs & Schooners:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "I'm often asked just how and where to get a wooden spar. The
> > > >> answer
> > > >> > is at a lumber yard, unless you are so fortunate to be able to go
> > > >> out
> > > >> > in the woods, which is more fun. ... Spruce or fir does quite
> well."
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Peter
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm sitting here in NW Oregon looking out my window at several
> > > >> hundred Douglas Fir "Masts". All sizes.
> > > >>
> > > >> Anyone in the area building a boat and looking for a mast, get in
> > > >> touch. The Price will be a ride on your boat.
> > > >>
> > > >> Pat Patteson
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Bolger rules!!!
> > > >> - no cursing
> > > >> - stay on topic
> > > >> - use punctuation
> > > >> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > > >> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Bolger rules!!!
> > > >- no cursing
> > > >- stay on topic
> > > >- use punctuation
> > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > > >- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> > >
> > >
> > > CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
> > > 134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
> > > New York, NY 10001
> > > (212) 243-1636
> > >
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
> > > - no cursing
> > > - stay on topic
> > > - use punctuation
> > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing
> > - stay on topic
> > - use punctuation
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing
> > - stay on topic
> > - use punctuation
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> >
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
I did exactly that for the 20ft mast on my boat.
3 1/2 inch at the base, wall thickness 1 1/8 inch.
Hollow all the way through, though this winter I'm going to install a
masthead light, radar foil inside the mast, and plugs for the high stress
areas.
It's almost impossible to handle all eight birds mouth pieces at the same
time. Working at the center, holding with extra hands, do two sets of four.
Then lift one set of four on top of the other set.
Use hose clamps.
3 1/2 inch at the base, wall thickness 1 1/8 inch.
Hollow all the way through, though this winter I'm going to install a
masthead light, radar foil inside the mast, and plugs for the high stress
areas.
It's almost impossible to handle all eight birds mouth pieces at the same
time. Working at the center, holding with extra hands, do two sets of four.
Then lift one set of four on top of the other set.
Use hose clamps.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cyber Rebel" <secesh@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for ma
sts)
> After much ruminating today, I've decided a few things:
> A. I don't want to spend $300-400 dollars on masts.
> B. I'm not happy about the amount of aloft weight from solid Doug Fir.
> C. I don't want to use the garbage 2x4s from Home Depot AND make the masts
> narrower than is recommended in the plans.
>
> Solution? I'm going to try my luck at using the slightly better wood found
> in 2x10s and making the masts "bird's eye" style over the weekend. I
figure
> even if I screw it up, I'm only out a fraction of the cost of better
lumber.
> If it goes well, I have strong, cheap, lightweight masts. For anyone that
> hasn't yet seen it, the following page is very informative on the subject:
>http://www.vcnet.com/~fhagan/hints.htm
>
> Stephen Lane
> Baltimore, Maryland
>
____________________________________________________________________________
> __
> Human beings can always be counted upon to assert, with vigor, their
> God-given right to be stupid.
> -Dean Koontz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Orr, Jamie <jorr@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for ma
> sts)
>
>
> > Seems a shame to go thinner using weaker wood. Why not make a sandwich
of
> a
> > couple of 2x4's with a 1x4 in the middle? Maybe go with 2x6's and a 1x6
> to
> > give yourself some slack -- it'll make it easier when you glue, and you
> can
> > accommodate some bend in the stock.
> >
> > Or check out Payson's method of laminating Bobcat's mast, which leaves a
> > square hole up the centre. Still a sandwich, but with the "meat" in two
> > pieces. I used this method on my 4" mast with no problem. Look up
"Build
> > the Instant Catboat" in your library, or dig out the old WoodenBoat
> building
> > article (or was it SBJ?)
> >
> > Jamie Orr
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cyber Rebel [mailto:secesh@...]
> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:02 AM
> > To:bolger@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for
> > masts)
> >
> >
> > So are the 2x4s you used actually 2x4s or did you round the masts
smaller
> > than the plans call for? Unfortunately, all the good clear timber was
used
> > up frivolously a long time ago. I recently built a bathroom in my house,
> and
> > had to install a flush-fit medicine cabinet in an existing wall. When I
> cut
> > the wall open, I found that the studs in my 30 year old townhouse are
all
> > made from the prettiest old growth, tight vertical grain, clear Douglas
> Fir
> > 2x4s that you can imagine! Seems a shame to have all of this prime
> > boatbuilding lumber going to waste just to hold up my house! I found a 9
> > foot length of similarly beautiful wood for the gaffs of the Schooner,
and
> > paid $16.65 for it! If; 30 years ago, this lumber had cost even 1/2
that,
> my
> > house would never have been built. Anyway, I've decided there's no way
I'm
> > paying $288 for masts, so I'm going to use the crappy No. 2 SPF from
Home
> > Depot. How much difference in strength is there going to be if I make 3"
> > masts instead of 3 1/2"?
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________
> > __
> > Human beings can always be counted upon to assert, with vigor, their
> > God-given right to be stupid.
> > -Dean Koontz
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Ryan <david@...>
> > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 12:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for
> > masts)
> >
> >
> > > The masts on my recently launched light scooner are laminated lumber
> > > yard 2x4s. I took a little time to find "complementary" sticks so I
> > > could put the flaws of one board against a good portion of the other.
> > >
> > > I think their going to be fine, and if they're not, they only cost
> > > about 3 dollars a foot, including epoxy.
> > >
> > > In this day, you've got to take all that "clear lumber" stuff in with
> > > a grain of salt. There just isn't that much clear lumber, and what
> > > there is'll cost you plenty. I'm sure if there was a new addition of
> > > of "Instant Boats" written today, you'd find plenty of advice on how
> > > to use all this shitty lumber.
> > >
> > > I was lucky enough to find a clear 2x10 28 feet long that gave me my
> > > chine logs and sheer clamps. Right on top of the unit.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > > >Well, it's a shame Maryland is so far from Oregon! I finally found a
> mill
> > > >able to supply me with 2"x8"x16' clear rough-cut Doug Fir. They can
rip
> > this
> > > >down to the correct dimensions. Unfortunately, they want $9.00 a
linear
> > > >foot. That equates to $288.00 total! Arrrggghh!!! I can use aluminum
> flag
> > > >poles; ala Gregg Carlson, for $390.00, but the object is to keep
costs
> to
> > a
> > > >minimum. I think I'm going to resort to laminating the masts from
> > standard
> > > >lumberyard SPF stock, which is probably White Pine. I already used it
> for
> > > >the booms, and it's very lightweight. The piece of clear Doug Fir
that
> I
> > > >managed to find for the gaffs (strength is more of a factor here) is
> > > >considerably heavier. I'm thinking of using two 2x4s and a single
1x4,
> > > >making the finished dimensions 3 1/2" x 3 3/4" which can be planed
down
> > to 3
> > > >1/2 x 3 1/2. Of course, the quality of the SPF stock is absolutely
> > > >repugnant, but at least it's cheap. Hmmm... I wonder how much the
> freight
> > > >charges from Oregon would be???
> > > >
> > > >Stephen Lane
> > > >Baltimore, Maryland
> > >
> >
>
>___________________________________________________________________________
> > _
> > > >__
> > > >Human beings can always be counted upon to assert, with vigor, their
> > > >God-given right to be stupid.
> > > > -Dean
> Koontz
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: <pateson@...>
> > > >To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:18 AM
> > > >Subject: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for
> > masts)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...>
> wrote:
> > > >> > > I've often wondered about
> > > >> > > cutting a few down, drying them (how long is necessary?) and
> > > >> > > planing/sanding off the bark and an extraneous knobs,
branches,
> > > >> > etc.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > From Pete Culler's Skiffs & Schooners:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "I'm often asked just how and where to get a wooden spar. The
> > > >> answer
> > > >> > is at a lumber yard, unless you are so fortunate to be able to
go
> > > >> out
> > > >> > in the woods, which is more fun. ... Spruce or fir does quite
> well."
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Peter
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm sitting here in NW Oregon looking out my window at several
> > > >> hundred Douglas Fir "Masts". All sizes.
> > > >>
> > > >> Anyone in the area building a boat and looking for a mast, get in
> > > >> touch. The Price will be a ride on your boat.
> > > >>
> > > >> Pat Patteson
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Bolger rules!!!
> > > >> - no cursing
> > > >> - stay on topic
> > > >> - use punctuation
> > > >> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > > >> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Bolger rules!!!
> > > >- no cursing
> > > >- stay on topic
> > > >- use punctuation
> > > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > > >- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> > >
> > >
> > > CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
> > > 134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
> > > New York, NY 10001
> > > (212) 243-1636
> > >
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
> > > - no cursing
> > > - stay on topic
> > > - use punctuation
> > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing
> > - stay on topic
> > - use punctuation
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing
> > - stay on topic
> > - use punctuation
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> >
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
After much ruminating today, I've decided a few things:
A. I don't want to spend $300-400 dollars on masts.
B. I'm not happy about the amount of aloft weight from solid Doug Fir.
C. I don't want to use the garbage 2x4s from Home Depot AND make the masts
narrower than is recommended in the plans.
Solution? I'm going to try my luck at using the slightly better wood found
in 2x10s and making the masts "bird's eye" style over the weekend. I figure
even if I screw it up, I'm only out a fraction of the cost of better lumber.
If it goes well, I have strong, cheap, lightweight masts. For anyone that
hasn't yet seen it, the following page is very informative on the subject:
http://www.vcnet.com/~fhagan/hints.htm
Stephen Lane
Baltimore, Maryland
____________________________________________________________________________
__
Human beings can always be counted upon to assert, with vigor, their
God-given right to be stupid.
-Dean Koontz
A. I don't want to spend $300-400 dollars on masts.
B. I'm not happy about the amount of aloft weight from solid Doug Fir.
C. I don't want to use the garbage 2x4s from Home Depot AND make the masts
narrower than is recommended in the plans.
Solution? I'm going to try my luck at using the slightly better wood found
in 2x10s and making the masts "bird's eye" style over the weekend. I figure
even if I screw it up, I'm only out a fraction of the cost of better lumber.
If it goes well, I have strong, cheap, lightweight masts. For anyone that
hasn't yet seen it, the following page is very informative on the subject:
http://www.vcnet.com/~fhagan/hints.htm
Stephen Lane
Baltimore, Maryland
____________________________________________________________________________
__
Human beings can always be counted upon to assert, with vigor, their
God-given right to be stupid.
-Dean Koontz
----- Original Message -----
From: Orr, Jamie <jorr@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for ma
sts)
> Seems a shame to go thinner using weaker wood. Why not make a sandwich of
a
> couple of 2x4's with a 1x4 in the middle? Maybe go with 2x6's and a 1x6
to
> give yourself some slack -- it'll make it easier when you glue, and you
can
> accommodate some bend in the stock.
>
> Or check out Payson's method of laminating Bobcat's mast, which leaves a
> square hole up the centre. Still a sandwich, but with the "meat" in two
> pieces. I used this method on my 4" mast with no problem. Look up "Build
> the Instant Catboat" in your library, or dig out the old WoodenBoat
building
> article (or was it SBJ?)
>
> Jamie Orr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cyber Rebel [mailto:secesh@...]
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:02 AM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for
> masts)
>
>
> So are the 2x4s you used actually 2x4s or did you round the masts smaller
> than the plans call for? Unfortunately, all the good clear timber was used
> up frivolously a long time ago. I recently built a bathroom in my house,
and
> had to install a flush-fit medicine cabinet in an existing wall. When I
cut
> the wall open, I found that the studs in my 30 year old townhouse are all
> made from the prettiest old growth, tight vertical grain, clear Douglas
Fir
> 2x4s that you can imagine! Seems a shame to have all of this prime
> boatbuilding lumber going to waste just to hold up my house! I found a 9
> foot length of similarly beautiful wood for the gaffs of the Schooner, and
> paid $16.65 for it! If; 30 years ago, this lumber had cost even 1/2 that,
my
> house would never have been built. Anyway, I've decided there's no way I'm
> paying $288 for masts, so I'm going to use the crappy No. 2 SPF from Home
> Depot. How much difference in strength is there going to be if I make 3"
> masts instead of 3 1/2"?
>
____________________________________________________________________________
> __
> Human beings can always be counted upon to assert, with vigor, their
> God-given right to be stupid.
> -Dean Koontz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Ryan <david@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 12:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for
> masts)
>
>
> > The masts on my recently launched light scooner are laminated lumber
> > yard 2x4s. I took a little time to find "complementary" sticks so I
> > could put the flaws of one board against a good portion of the other.
> >
> > I think their going to be fine, and if they're not, they only cost
> > about 3 dollars a foot, including epoxy.
> >
> > In this day, you've got to take all that "clear lumber" stuff in with
> > a grain of salt. There just isn't that much clear lumber, and what
> > there is'll cost you plenty. I'm sure if there was a new addition of
> > of "Instant Boats" written today, you'd find plenty of advice on how
> > to use all this shitty lumber.
> >
> > I was lucky enough to find a clear 2x10 28 feet long that gave me my
> > chine logs and sheer clamps. Right on top of the unit.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > >Well, it's a shame Maryland is so far from Oregon! I finally found a
mill
> > >able to supply me with 2"x8"x16' clear rough-cut Doug Fir. They can rip
> this
> > >down to the correct dimensions. Unfortunately, they want $9.00 a linear
> > >foot. That equates to $288.00 total! Arrrggghh!!! I can use aluminum
flag
> > >poles; ala Gregg Carlson, for $390.00, but the object is to keep costs
to
> a
> > >minimum. I think I'm going to resort to laminating the masts from
> standard
> > >lumberyard SPF stock, which is probably White Pine. I already used it
for
> > >the booms, and it's very lightweight. The piece of clear Doug Fir that
I
> > >managed to find for the gaffs (strength is more of a factor here) is
> > >considerably heavier. I'm thinking of using two 2x4s and a single 1x4,
> > >making the finished dimensions 3 1/2" x 3 3/4" which can be planed down
> to 3
> > >1/2 x 3 1/2. Of course, the quality of the SPF stock is absolutely
> > >repugnant, but at least it's cheap. Hmmm... I wonder how much the
freight
> > >charges from Oregon would be???
> > >
> > >Stephen Lane
> > >Baltimore, Maryland
> >
>
>___________________________________________________________________________
> _
> > >__
> > >Human beings can always be counted upon to assert, with vigor, their
> > >God-given right to be stupid.
> > > -Dean
Koontz
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <pateson@...>
> > >To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:18 AM
> > >Subject: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for
> masts)
> > >
> > >
> > >> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...>
wrote:
> > >> > > I've often wondered about
> > >> > > cutting a few down, drying them (how long is necessary?) and
> > >> > > planing/sanding off the bark and an extraneous knobs, branches,
> > >> > etc.
> > >> >
> > >> > From Pete Culler's Skiffs & Schooners:
> > >> >
> > >> > "I'm often asked just how and where to get a wooden spar. The
> > >> answer
> > >> > is at a lumber yard, unless you are so fortunate to be able to go
> > >> out
> > >> > in the woods, which is more fun. ... Spruce or fir does quite
well."
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Peter
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I'm sitting here in NW Oregon looking out my window at several
> > >> hundred Douglas Fir "Masts". All sizes.
> > >>
> > >> Anyone in the area building a boat and looking for a mast, get in
> > >> touch. The Price will be a ride on your boat.
> > >>
> > >> Pat Patteson
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Bolger rules!!!
> > >> - no cursing
> > >> - stay on topic
> > >> - use punctuation
> > >> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > >> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Bolger rules!!!
> > >- no cursing
> > >- stay on topic
> > >- use punctuation
> > >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > >- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> >
> >
> > CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
> > 134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
> > New York, NY 10001
> > (212) 243-1636
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing
> > - stay on topic
> > - use punctuation
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> >
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>Seems a shame to go thinner using weaker wood. Why not make a sandwich of aThis makes the dubious assumption that P.C.B. looked at the strength
>couple of 2x4's with a 1x4 in the middle? Maybe go with 2x6's and a 1x6 to
>give yourself some slack -- it'll make it easier when you glue, and you can
>accommodate some bend in the stock.
>
of the 4x4 called for in the plan and then laid out a sail-plan
within a few psi of the rig's tolerance. It's at least as likely that
the 4x4 is spec'd because it makes things easy, or at least easy back
when she was first drawn.
When my masts break, you can all laugh at me.
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
Seems a shame to go thinner using weaker wood. Why not make a sandwich of a
couple of 2x4's with a 1x4 in the middle? Maybe go with 2x6's and a 1x6 to
give yourself some slack -- it'll make it easier when you glue, and you can
accommodate some bend in the stock.
Or check out Payson's method of laminating Bobcat's mast, which leaves a
square hole up the centre. Still a sandwich, but with the "meat" in two
pieces. I used this method on my 4" mast with no problem. Look up "Build
the Instant Catboat" in your library, or dig out the old WoodenBoat building
article (or was it SBJ?)
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: Cyber Rebel [mailto:secesh@...]
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:02 AM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for
masts)
So are the 2x4s you used actually 2x4s or did you round the masts smaller
than the plans call for? Unfortunately, all the good clear timber was used
up frivolously a long time ago. I recently built a bathroom in my house, and
had to install a flush-fit medicine cabinet in an existing wall. When I cut
the wall open, I found that the studs in my 30 year old townhouse are all
made from the prettiest old growth, tight vertical grain, clear Douglas Fir
2x4s that you can imagine! Seems a shame to have all of this prime
boatbuilding lumber going to waste just to hold up my house! I found a 9
foot length of similarly beautiful wood for the gaffs of the Schooner, and
paid $16.65 for it! If; 30 years ago, this lumber had cost even 1/2 that, my
house would never have been built. Anyway, I've decided there's no way I'm
paying $288 for masts, so I'm going to use the crappy No. 2 SPF from Home
Depot. How much difference in strength is there going to be if I make 3"
masts instead of 3 1/2"?
____________________________________________________________________________
__
Human beings can always be counted upon to assert, with vigor, their
God-given right to be stupid.
-Dean Koontz
couple of 2x4's with a 1x4 in the middle? Maybe go with 2x6's and a 1x6 to
give yourself some slack -- it'll make it easier when you glue, and you can
accommodate some bend in the stock.
Or check out Payson's method of laminating Bobcat's mast, which leaves a
square hole up the centre. Still a sandwich, but with the "meat" in two
pieces. I used this method on my 4" mast with no problem. Look up "Build
the Instant Catboat" in your library, or dig out the old WoodenBoat building
article (or was it SBJ?)
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: Cyber Rebel [mailto:secesh@...]
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:02 AM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for
masts)
So are the 2x4s you used actually 2x4s or did you round the masts smaller
than the plans call for? Unfortunately, all the good clear timber was used
up frivolously a long time ago. I recently built a bathroom in my house, and
had to install a flush-fit medicine cabinet in an existing wall. When I cut
the wall open, I found that the studs in my 30 year old townhouse are all
made from the prettiest old growth, tight vertical grain, clear Douglas Fir
2x4s that you can imagine! Seems a shame to have all of this prime
boatbuilding lumber going to waste just to hold up my house! I found a 9
foot length of similarly beautiful wood for the gaffs of the Schooner, and
paid $16.65 for it! If; 30 years ago, this lumber had cost even 1/2 that, my
house would never have been built. Anyway, I've decided there's no way I'm
paying $288 for masts, so I'm going to use the crappy No. 2 SPF from Home
Depot. How much difference in strength is there going to be if I make 3"
masts instead of 3 1/2"?
____________________________________________________________________________
__
Human beings can always be counted upon to assert, with vigor, their
God-given right to be stupid.
-Dean Koontz
----- Original Message -----
From: David Ryan <david@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for
masts)
> The masts on my recently launched light scooner are laminated lumber
> yard 2x4s. I took a little time to find "complementary" sticks so I
> could put the flaws of one board against a good portion of the other.
>
> I think their going to be fine, and if they're not, they only cost
> about 3 dollars a foot, including epoxy.
>
> In this day, you've got to take all that "clear lumber" stuff in with
> a grain of salt. There just isn't that much clear lumber, and what
> there is'll cost you plenty. I'm sure if there was a new addition of
> of "Instant Boats" written today, you'd find plenty of advice on how
> to use all this shitty lumber.
>
> I was lucky enough to find a clear 2x10 28 feet long that gave me my
> chine logs and sheer clamps. Right on top of the unit.
>
> -D
>
> >Well, it's a shame Maryland is so far from Oregon! I finally found a mill
> >able to supply me with 2"x8"x16' clear rough-cut Doug Fir. They can rip
this
> >down to the correct dimensions. Unfortunately, they want $9.00 a linear
> >foot. That equates to $288.00 total! Arrrggghh!!! I can use aluminum flag
> >poles; ala Gregg Carlson, for $390.00, but the object is to keep costs to
a
> >minimum. I think I'm going to resort to laminating the masts from
standard
> >lumberyard SPF stock, which is probably White Pine. I already used it for
> >the booms, and it's very lightweight. The piece of clear Doug Fir that I
> >managed to find for the gaffs (strength is more of a factor here) is
> >considerably heavier. I'm thinking of using two 2x4s and a single 1x4,
> >making the finished dimensions 3 1/2" x 3 3/4" which can be planed down
to 3
> >1/2 x 3 1/2. Of course, the quality of the SPF stock is absolutely
> >repugnant, but at least it's cheap. Hmmm... I wonder how much the freight
> >charges from Oregon would be???
> >
> >Stephen Lane
> >Baltimore, Maryland
>
>___________________________________________________________________________
_
> >__
> >Human beings can always be counted upon to assert, with vigor, their
> >God-given right to be stupid.
> > -Dean Koontz
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <pateson@...>
> >To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:18 AM
> >Subject: [bolger] Re: Light Schooner Question #2 (cutting trees for
masts)
> >
> >
> >> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> >> > > I've often wondered about
> >> > > cutting a few down, drying them (how long is necessary?) and
> >> > > planing/sanding off the bark and an extraneous knobs, branches,
> >> > etc.
> >> >
> >> > From Pete Culler's Skiffs & Schooners:
> >> >
> >> > "I'm often asked just how and where to get a wooden spar. The
> >> answer
> >> > is at a lumber yard, unless you are so fortunate to be able to go
> >> out
> >> > in the woods, which is more fun. ... Spruce or fir does quite well."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Peter
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm sitting here in NW Oregon looking out my window at several
> >> hundred Douglas Fir "Masts". All sizes.
> >>
> >> Anyone in the area building a boat and looking for a mast, get in
> >> touch. The Price will be a ride on your boat.
> >>
> >> Pat Patteson
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bolger rules!!!
> >> - no cursing
> >> - stay on topic
> >> - use punctuation
> >> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> >> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >Bolger rules!!!
> >- no cursing
> >- stay on topic
> >- use punctuation
> >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> >- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>
> CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
> 134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, NY 10001
> (212) 243-1636
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.