RE: [bolger] Fldg Schooner Sails
Congratulations -- sounds like a great success all round!
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: Leander S. Harding [mailto:lharding@...]
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 1:47 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Fldg Schooner Sails
The maiden voyage of our Folding Schooner took place this morning.
It
was a fantastic day on Long Island Sound. There were a few details
that still needed to be done like the chine lock and registration.
But
we decided to go ahead with sea trials. Peter Vanderwaart, sail
maker,
extrodinaire, and techinical consultant, acted as skipper and I
manned
the foresail and jib while my youngest son manned the mainsheet. We
rate ourselves carpenter's mates and apprentice schoonermen and rate
Peter ablebodied. We had a bit of excitement when we got to the ramp
as the New Haven Coast Guard station was taking its boat out of the
water. Blessedly enough this did not result in a document check or
safety inspection.
We got the boat off the trailer easitly and had just enough room to
turn it sideways to the ramp. Our crew of two adults and one lightly
built teenager was minimal to unfold the boat in those conditions but
we did it and got the boat rigged and Peter sailed us away from the
dock in grand style, the wind shifting a bit from its habitual
direction and making it a bit easier to get away from the dock. In
the
light but freshening breeze, the boat accelerates well. When we got
out into the Sound and the breeze freshened a bit we flew. We were
able to tack and make good progress upwind but just boogied on a
reach. The boat is signficantly faster and more powerful than the
somewhat undercanvased Sea Pearl we had. I am delighted with her
behavior. For the most part we didn't miss the chine lock. Had about
two big waves where the forward hull went up when the aft hull came
down and water came squirting up between the two hulls. I am not sure
it would be a problem in most conditions with more crew in the
forward
hull. But we will get a chine lock in this winter and make the
staysail as well.
Peter's polytarp sails looked plenty rugged and filled fair and well.
The foregaff wasn't set quite right and I learned that it is pretty
difficult to readjust once you are underway unless you go in irons.
One of the best sails I have ever had and certainly the best in a
boat
we built ourselves. The icing on the cake was four sturdy lads at
the
ramp who helped us fold the boat and get it back on the trailer.
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: Leander S. Harding [mailto:lharding@...]
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 1:47 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Fldg Schooner Sails
The maiden voyage of our Folding Schooner took place this morning.
It
was a fantastic day on Long Island Sound. There were a few details
that still needed to be done like the chine lock and registration.
But
we decided to go ahead with sea trials. Peter Vanderwaart, sail
maker,
extrodinaire, and techinical consultant, acted as skipper and I
manned
the foresail and jib while my youngest son manned the mainsheet. We
rate ourselves carpenter's mates and apprentice schoonermen and rate
Peter ablebodied. We had a bit of excitement when we got to the ramp
as the New Haven Coast Guard station was taking its boat out of the
water. Blessedly enough this did not result in a document check or
safety inspection.
We got the boat off the trailer easitly and had just enough room to
turn it sideways to the ramp. Our crew of two adults and one lightly
built teenager was minimal to unfold the boat in those conditions but
we did it and got the boat rigged and Peter sailed us away from the
dock in grand style, the wind shifting a bit from its habitual
direction and making it a bit easier to get away from the dock. In
the
light but freshening breeze, the boat accelerates well. When we got
out into the Sound and the breeze freshened a bit we flew. We were
able to tack and make good progress upwind but just boogied on a
reach. The boat is signficantly faster and more powerful than the
somewhat undercanvased Sea Pearl we had. I am delighted with her
behavior. For the most part we didn't miss the chine lock. Had about
two big waves where the forward hull went up when the aft hull came
down and water came squirting up between the two hulls. I am not sure
it would be a problem in most conditions with more crew in the
forward
hull. But we will get a chine lock in this winter and make the
staysail as well.
Peter's polytarp sails looked plenty rugged and filled fair and well.
The foregaff wasn't set quite right and I learned that it is pretty
difficult to readjust once you are underway unless you go in irons.
One of the best sails I have ever had and certainly the best in a
boat
we built ourselves. The icing on the cake was four sturdy lads at
the
ramp who helped us fold the boat and get it back on the trailer.
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
---Dear Richard,
Thanks for the continuing encouragement. I was a little worried
about how to retrieve the boat and went out early in the morning to
drill a hole in the keelson and found that the profile of my drill
and
the rocker of the bottom and the stiffeners make it hard to get a
hole
in the middle of the strip. We hauled to a loop through the drain
hole
in the motor compartment and around the motor mount. It worked fine
but
not as elegant as what you describe. I will be working on it.
Where do you tie off your anchor line or bow line? I tied off to
the
mast partner but that got in the way of rigging. I have been
thinking
of drilling some vertical holes through the gunwale from which to
hang
fenders. Seems like it could use a cleat or two near the stern.
So far I am having the same trouble with the chine locks as I had
getting someone to make the hinges. Folks are not that interested in
the job and quote me $300 plus for the work. I have access to a drill
press and could probalby make them myself if I could locate a source
for the material 3/16ths stainless 1" strap. It seems to be something
that most of the metal shops around here don't have in stock. I may
have to go back to Maine to have them made. My son wonders if we
could
put something under the gunwales instead but I think there is
probably
too much leverage.
Thanks again for all your help.
Leander
Inbolger@egroups.com, "Richard Sharp" <rbsharp@g...> wrote:
Thanks for the continuing encouragement. I was a little worried
about how to retrieve the boat and went out early in the morning to
drill a hole in the keelson and found that the profile of my drill
and
the rocker of the bottom and the stiffeners make it hard to get a
hole
in the middle of the strip. We hauled to a loop through the drain
hole
in the motor compartment and around the motor mount. It worked fine
but
not as elegant as what you describe. I will be working on it.
Where do you tie off your anchor line or bow line? I tied off to
the
mast partner but that got in the way of rigging. I have been
thinking
of drilling some vertical holes through the gunwale from which to
hang
fenders. Seems like it could use a cleat or two near the stern.
So far I am having the same trouble with the chine locks as I had
getting someone to make the hinges. Folks are not that interested in
the job and quote me $300 plus for the work. I have access to a drill
press and could probalby make them myself if I could locate a source
for the material 3/16ths stainless 1" strap. It seems to be something
that most of the metal shops around here don't have in stock. I may
have to go back to Maine to have them made. My son wonders if we
could
put something under the gunwales instead but I think there is
probably
too much leverage.
Thanks again for all your help.
Leander
Inbolger@egroups.com, "Richard Sharp" <rbsharp@g...> wrote:
> Congratulations on the maiden voyage. It brings back memories ofmy
> folding schooner's first time out and I lost the rudder. Never gotto
> it back. I do recommend chine locks of some sort. The large wakes
> from "inconsiderate" boaters can really throw the bow up. I forgot
> hook mine once, only once. For winching the boat back onto theI
> trailer, I bought a one inch strip of thin metal, bent it into a u-
> shape and screwed it into the keel strip just fwd of the transom.
> cut away the end of the keel strip so it would not interfere withthe
> rudder, and fastened it low on the keel strip so a scissors hookpictures
> could be worked into it. Worked fine for 22 years. Peter's
> are excellent. If you don't want to tie up the dock space whenand
> rigging, you can always anchor a little ways off in quiet water and
> rig from in the boat. When we open up, all we do at the ramp is
> check that the 4hp outboard stars and we pass the anchor and line
> (coiled in a bucket) fwd. Toss the anchor, pass the masts,sails
> rig in about 15 minutes. Too bad the cold weather is coming. IKNOW
> you are going to receive a lot of pleasure from your boat. You dida
> great job. Phil Bolger used to assign the sail numbers. Send hima
> picture, or have him check out Peter's great photos.wrote:
> Rich Sharp
> Folding Schooner Number 17
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Leander S. Harding" <lharding@s...>
> > The maiden voyage of our Folding Schooner took place thismorning.
> > Itdetails
> > was a fantastic day on Long Island Sound. There were a few
> > that still needed to be done like the chine lock and registration.We
> > But
> > we decided to go ahead with sea trials. Peter Vanderwaart, sail
> > maker,
> > extrodinaire, and techinical consultant, acted as skipper and I
> > manned
> > the foresail and jib while my youngest son manned the mainsheet.
> > rate ourselves carpenter's mates and apprentice schoonermen andthe
> rate
> > Peter ablebodied. We had a bit of excitement when we got to the
> ramp
> > as the New Haven Coast Guard station was taking its boat out of
> > water. Blessedly enough this did not result in a document checkor
> > safety inspection.to
> >
> > We got the boat off the trailer easitly and had just enough room
> > turn it sideways to the ramp. Our crew of two adults and onethe
> lightly
> > built teenager was minimal to unfold the boat in those conditions
> but
> > we did it and got the boat rigged and Peter sailed us away from
> > dock in grand style, the wind shifting a bit from its habitualgot
> > direction and making it a bit easier to get away from the dock. In
> > the
> > light but freshening breeze, the boat accelerates well. When we
> > out into the Sound and the breeze freshened a bit we flew. Wewere
> > able to tack and make good progress upwind but just boogied on acame
> > reach. The boat is signficantly faster and more powerful than the
> > somewhat undercanvased Sea Pearl we had. I am delighted with her
> > behavior. For the most part we didn't miss the chine lock. Had
> about
> > two big waves where the forward hull went up when the aft hull
> > down and water came squirting up between the two hulls. I am notpretty
> sure
> > it would be a problem in most conditions with more crew in the
> > forward
> > hull. But we will get a chine lock in this winter and make the
> > staysail as well.
> >
> > Peter's polytarp sails looked plenty rugged and filled fair and
> well.
> > The foregaff wasn't set quite right and I learned that it is
> > difficult to readjust once you are underway unless you go inirons.
> >
> > One of the best sails I have ever had and certainly the best in a
> > boat
> > we built ourselves. The icing on the cake was four sturdy lads at
> > the
> > ramp who helped us fold the boat and get it back on the trailer.
Congratulations on the maiden voyage. It brings back memories of my
folding schooner's first time out and I lost the rudder. Never got
it back. I do recommend chine locks of some sort. The large wakes
from "inconsiderate" boaters can really throw the bow up. I forgot to
hook mine once, only once. For winching the boat back onto the
trailer, I bought a one inch strip of thin metal, bent it into a u-
shape and screwed it into the keel strip just fwd of the transom. I
cut away the end of the keel strip so it would not interfere with the
rudder, and fastened it low on the keel strip so a scissors hook
could be worked into it. Worked fine for 22 years. Peter's pictures
are excellent. If you don't want to tie up the dock space when
rigging, you can always anchor a little ways off in quiet water and
rig from in the boat. When we open up, all we do at the ramp is
check that the 4hp outboard stars and we pass the anchor and line
(coiled in a bucket) fwd. Toss the anchor, pass the masts,sails and
rig in about 15 minutes. Too bad the cold weather is coming. I KNOW
you are going to receive a lot of pleasure from your boat. You did a
great job. Phil Bolger used to assign the sail numbers. Send him a
picture, or have him check out Peter's great photos.
Rich Sharp
Folding Schooner Number 17
folding schooner's first time out and I lost the rudder. Never got
it back. I do recommend chine locks of some sort. The large wakes
from "inconsiderate" boaters can really throw the bow up. I forgot to
hook mine once, only once. For winching the boat back onto the
trailer, I bought a one inch strip of thin metal, bent it into a u-
shape and screwed it into the keel strip just fwd of the transom. I
cut away the end of the keel strip so it would not interfere with the
rudder, and fastened it low on the keel strip so a scissors hook
could be worked into it. Worked fine for 22 years. Peter's pictures
are excellent. If you don't want to tie up the dock space when
rigging, you can always anchor a little ways off in quiet water and
rig from in the boat. When we open up, all we do at the ramp is
check that the 4hp outboard stars and we pass the anchor and line
(coiled in a bucket) fwd. Toss the anchor, pass the masts,sails and
rig in about 15 minutes. Too bad the cold weather is coming. I KNOW
you are going to receive a lot of pleasure from your boat. You did a
great job. Phil Bolger used to assign the sail numbers. Send him a
picture, or have him check out Peter's great photos.
Rich Sharp
Folding Schooner Number 17
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Leander S. Harding" <lharding@s...> wrote:
> The maiden voyage of our Folding Schooner took place this morning.
> It
> was a fantastic day on Long Island Sound. There were a few details
> that still needed to be done like the chine lock and registration.
> But
> we decided to go ahead with sea trials. Peter Vanderwaart, sail
> maker,
> extrodinaire, and techinical consultant, acted as skipper and I
> manned
> the foresail and jib while my youngest son manned the mainsheet. We
> rate ourselves carpenter's mates and apprentice schoonermen and
rate
> Peter ablebodied. We had a bit of excitement when we got to the
ramp
> as the New Haven Coast Guard station was taking its boat out of the
> water. Blessedly enough this did not result in a document check or
> safety inspection.
>
> We got the boat off the trailer easitly and had just enough room to
> turn it sideways to the ramp. Our crew of two adults and one
lightly
> built teenager was minimal to unfold the boat in those conditions
but
> we did it and got the boat rigged and Peter sailed us away from the
> dock in grand style, the wind shifting a bit from its habitual
> direction and making it a bit easier to get away from the dock. In
> the
> light but freshening breeze, the boat accelerates well. When we got
> out into the Sound and the breeze freshened a bit we flew. We were
> able to tack and make good progress upwind but just boogied on a
> reach. The boat is signficantly faster and more powerful than the
> somewhat undercanvased Sea Pearl we had. I am delighted with her
> behavior. For the most part we didn't miss the chine lock. Had
about
> two big waves where the forward hull went up when the aft hull came
> down and water came squirting up between the two hulls. I am not
sure
> it would be a problem in most conditions with more crew in the
> forward
> hull. But we will get a chine lock in this winter and make the
> staysail as well.
>
> Peter's polytarp sails looked plenty rugged and filled fair and
well.
> The foregaff wasn't set quite right and I learned that it is pretty
> difficult to readjust once you are underway unless you go in irons.
>
> One of the best sails I have ever had and certainly the best in a
> boat
> we built ourselves. The icing on the cake was four sturdy lads at
> the
> ramp who helped us fold the boat and get it back on the trailer.
The maiden voyage of our Folding Schooner took place this morning.
It
was a fantastic day on Long Island Sound. There were a few details
that still needed to be done like the chine lock and registration.
But
we decided to go ahead with sea trials. Peter Vanderwaart, sail
maker,
extrodinaire, and techinical consultant, acted as skipper and I
manned
the foresail and jib while my youngest son manned the mainsheet. We
rate ourselves carpenter's mates and apprentice schoonermen and rate
Peter ablebodied. We had a bit of excitement when we got to the ramp
as the New Haven Coast Guard station was taking its boat out of the
water. Blessedly enough this did not result in a document check or
safety inspection.
We got the boat off the trailer easitly and had just enough room to
turn it sideways to the ramp. Our crew of two adults and one lightly
built teenager was minimal to unfold the boat in those conditions but
we did it and got the boat rigged and Peter sailed us away from the
dock in grand style, the wind shifting a bit from its habitual
direction and making it a bit easier to get away from the dock. In
the
light but freshening breeze, the boat accelerates well. When we got
out into the Sound and the breeze freshened a bit we flew. We were
able to tack and make good progress upwind but just boogied on a
reach. The boat is signficantly faster and more powerful than the
somewhat undercanvased Sea Pearl we had. I am delighted with her
behavior. For the most part we didn't miss the chine lock. Had about
two big waves where the forward hull went up when the aft hull came
down and water came squirting up between the two hulls. I am not sure
it would be a problem in most conditions with more crew in the
forward
hull. But we will get a chine lock in this winter and make the
staysail as well.
Peter's polytarp sails looked plenty rugged and filled fair and well.
The foregaff wasn't set quite right and I learned that it is pretty
difficult to readjust once you are underway unless you go in irons.
One of the best sails I have ever had and certainly the best in a
boat
we built ourselves. The icing on the cake was four sturdy lads at
the
ramp who helped us fold the boat and get it back on the trailer.
It
was a fantastic day on Long Island Sound. There were a few details
that still needed to be done like the chine lock and registration.
But
we decided to go ahead with sea trials. Peter Vanderwaart, sail
maker,
extrodinaire, and techinical consultant, acted as skipper and I
manned
the foresail and jib while my youngest son manned the mainsheet. We
rate ourselves carpenter's mates and apprentice schoonermen and rate
Peter ablebodied. We had a bit of excitement when we got to the ramp
as the New Haven Coast Guard station was taking its boat out of the
water. Blessedly enough this did not result in a document check or
safety inspection.
We got the boat off the trailer easitly and had just enough room to
turn it sideways to the ramp. Our crew of two adults and one lightly
built teenager was minimal to unfold the boat in those conditions but
we did it and got the boat rigged and Peter sailed us away from the
dock in grand style, the wind shifting a bit from its habitual
direction and making it a bit easier to get away from the dock. In
the
light but freshening breeze, the boat accelerates well. When we got
out into the Sound and the breeze freshened a bit we flew. We were
able to tack and make good progress upwind but just boogied on a
reach. The boat is signficantly faster and more powerful than the
somewhat undercanvased Sea Pearl we had. I am delighted with her
behavior. For the most part we didn't miss the chine lock. Had about
two big waves where the forward hull went up when the aft hull came
down and water came squirting up between the two hulls. I am not sure
it would be a problem in most conditions with more crew in the
forward
hull. But we will get a chine lock in this winter and make the
staysail as well.
Peter's polytarp sails looked plenty rugged and filled fair and well.
The foregaff wasn't set quite right and I learned that it is pretty
difficult to readjust once you are underway unless you go in irons.
One of the best sails I have ever had and certainly the best in a
boat
we built ourselves. The icing on the cake was four sturdy lads at
the
ramp who helped us fold the boat and get it back on the trailer.