Re: [bolger] Re: airplanes and boats
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:35:27 -0500,bolger@egroups.comwrote:
> Well, for one thing, leaning tends to not work very well if you are
inverted
> or in zero G...
>
> Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
> From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Lewis" <david@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 9:31 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: airplanes and boats
>
>
> > > Still, I wonder why ailerons make an airplane "real" when other
> > methods of
> > > control do not?
> >
> > Don't know. Maybe it's just a macho thing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lewis" <david@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 10:30 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: airplanes and boats
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, shansen@t... wrote:
> > Adding my two bits, I took up flying about 25 years ago and promptly
> > bought a nice little American AA-5 Traveller (N5829L), a fixed gear,
> > 4 place, 150 hp plane designed by another small plane innovator, Jim
> > Bede (what ever happened to him?).
>
> After selling many kits for his Bede-5 and distributing about
> half the parts needed to the buyers, he went bankrupt. Needless
> to say, he's not too popular with a lot of people.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
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Well, for one thing, leaning tends to not work very well if you are inverted
or in zero G...
Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
or in zero G...
Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lewis" <david@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 9:31 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: airplanes and boats
> > Still, I wonder why ailerons make an airplane "real" when other
> methods of
> > control do not?
>
> Don't know. Maybe it's just a macho thing.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
> Still, I wonder why ailerons make an airplane "real" when othermethods of
> control do not?Don't know. Maybe it's just a macho thing.
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, shansen@t... wrote:
half the parts needed to the buyers, he went bankrupt. Needless
to say, he's not too popular with a lot of people.
> Adding my two bits, I took up flying about 25 years ago and promptlyAfter selling many kits for his Bede-5 and distributing about
> bought a nice little American AA-5 Traveller (N5829L), a fixed gear,
> 4 place, 150 hp plane designed by another small plane innovator, Jim
> Bede (what ever happened to him?).
half the parts needed to the buyers, he went bankrupt. Needless
to say, he's not too popular with a lot of people.
Adding my two bits, I took up flying about 25 years ago and promptly
bought a nice little American AA-5 Traveller (N5829L), a fixed gear,
4 place, 150 hp plane designed by another small plane innovator, Jim
Bede (what ever happened to him?). The plane's skins were epoxy glued
to ribs (airfoils) or honeycomb (fuselage). A handful of FAA mandated
rivets here and there attested to some issues with the epoxy bonding.
When the costs of ownership got to be unreasonable I sold the plane
and rented for a while.
For some reason I took a liking to the Benson gyrocopter and I put
one together. Basically the frame is 3 pieces of mutually orthogonal
square alum tubing to which are added engine, seat, stabilizer and
rotor blade. I got to the point of adding the engine and then took a
serious look at the thing and sold it. Somehow the idea of flying
around in an open thing with a conformal gas tank strapped to my butt
dampened my enthusiasm.
I then got a wood and fiberglas kit for the Ken Rand KR-2, a high
performance (2 seat, retractable gear, VW powered) little plane. That
sat in the garage until I went wholeheartedly to 2-D floating with
boats. I still pick up homebuilt airplane mags now and then but there
are too many boats to build.
Steve Hansen
bought a nice little American AA-5 Traveller (N5829L), a fixed gear,
4 place, 150 hp plane designed by another small plane innovator, Jim
Bede (what ever happened to him?). The plane's skins were epoxy glued
to ribs (airfoils) or honeycomb (fuselage). A handful of FAA mandated
rivets here and there attested to some issues with the epoxy bonding.
When the costs of ownership got to be unreasonable I sold the plane
and rented for a while.
For some reason I took a liking to the Benson gyrocopter and I put
one together. Basically the frame is 3 pieces of mutually orthogonal
square alum tubing to which are added engine, seat, stabilizer and
rotor blade. I got to the point of adding the engine and then took a
serious look at the thing and sold it. Somehow the idea of flying
around in an open thing with a conformal gas tank strapped to my butt
dampened my enthusiasm.
I then got a wood and fiberglas kit for the Ken Rand KR-2, a high
performance (2 seat, retractable gear, VW powered) little plane. That
sat in the garage until I went wholeheartedly to 2-D floating with
boats. I still pick up homebuilt airplane mags now and then but there
are too many boats to build.
Steve Hansen
In a message dated 10/26/2000 2:<BR56:<BR50 PM
Eastern Daylight ,david@...writes:> "Leaner", not "learner". Like
the weedhopper - no
Still, I wonder why ailerons make an airplane "real" when other methods of
control do not?
Cheers/Don
Eastern Daylight ,david@...writes:> "Leaner", not "learner". Like
the weedhopper - no
> ailerons so you have to "lean" to steer it. NotSorry, I misread leaner.
> what I'm looking for. I want a real airplane. :-)
Still, I wonder why ailerons make an airplane "real" when other methods of
control do not?
Cheers/Don
"Leaner", not "learner". Like the weedhopper - no
ailerons so you have to "lean" to steer it. Not
what I'm looking for. I want a real airplane. :-)
ailerons so you have to "lean" to steer it. Not
what I'm looking for. I want a real airplane. :-)
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, StepHydro@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/26/2000 1:<BR39:<BR49 PM
> Eastern Daylight , david@l... writes:
> > Is that one with ailerons or is it a "leaner"?
>
> David,
>
> was the P-61 a "learner"??? All that matters is that you have
control in all
> 3 axis when it is needed. Doesn't much matter how that control is
arrived at,
> as long as it meets the requirements. Anyone can fly one of those
things with
> ailerons :-)
>
> Cheers/Step
In a message dated 10/26/2000 1:<BR39:<BR49 PM
Eastern Daylight ,david@...writes:
was the P-61 a "learner"??? All that matters is that you have control in all
3 axis when it is needed. Doesn't much matter how that control is arrived at,
as long as it meets the requirements. Anyone can fly one of those things with
ailerons :-)
Cheers/Step
Eastern Daylight ,david@...writes:
> Is that one with ailerons or is it a "leaner"?David,
was the P-61 a "learner"??? All that matters is that you have control in all
3 axis when it is needed. Doesn't much matter how that control is arrived at,
as long as it meets the requirements. Anyone can fly one of those things with
ailerons :-)
Cheers/Step
Ever consider selling?
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "james fuller" <jamar@z...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It is a three axis control. Very similar in appearance to a J-3
Cub, just
> smaller.
btsoom
Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lewis" <david@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:06 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: airplanes and boats
> Is that one with ailerons or is it a "leaner"?
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "James Fuller" <jamar@z...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I too am a would be airplane builder. I didn't realize that it was
> a common
> > afliction among boat builders. I have an unstarted wood 3/4 size
> J-3
> > ultralight kit that has been sitting in my garage for about five
> years while
> > I have been building boats!
> >
> > James Fuller
> > >
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
Hi,
It is a three axis control. Very similar in appearance to a J-3 Cub, just
smaller.
It is a three axis control. Very similar in appearance to a J-3 Cub, just
smaller.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: airplanes and boats
> btsoom
>
> Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
> From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Lewis" <david@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:06 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: airplanes and boats
>
>
> > Is that one with ailerons or is it a "leaner"?
> >
> > --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "James Fuller" <jamar@z...> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I too am a would be airplane builder. I didn't realize that it was
> > a common
> > > afliction among boat builders. I have an unstarted wood 3/4 size
> > J-3
> > > ultralight kit that has been sitting in my garage for about five
> > years while
> > > I have been building boats!
> > >
> > > James Fuller
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing
> > - stay on topic
> > - use punctuation
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> >
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>
Is that one with ailerons or is it a "leaner"?
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "James Fuller" <jamar@z...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I too am a would be airplane builder. I didn't realize that it was
a common
> afliction among boat builders. I have an unstarted wood 3/4 size
J-3
> ultralight kit that has been sitting in my garage for about five
years while
> I have been building boats!
>
> James Fuller
> >
In a message dated 10/26/2000 11:<BR11:<BR04 AM
Eastern Daylight,darus@...writes:
Eastern Daylight,darus@...writes:
> I'm just glad that I have easy access to a lake but NOT an open field,RIGHT ON!!! FLOATPLANE!!! :-)
> otherwise this thread could get me in real trouble.
Hi,
I too am a would be airplane builder. I didn't realize that it was a common
afliction among boat builders. I have an unstarted wood 3/4 size J-3
ultralight kit that has been sitting in my garage for about five years while
I have been building boats!
James Fuller
I too am a would be airplane builder. I didn't realize that it was a common
afliction among boat builders. I have an unstarted wood 3/4 size J-3
ultralight kit that has been sitting in my garage for about five years while
I have been building boats!
James Fuller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: airplanes and boats
> I, too, am a member of the "want to build my own airplane, but build boats
> instead" group.
>
> I imagine a large percentage of us, if not most of us, are that way.
>
> Homebuilt sailboats are generaly safer and cheaper than homebuilt
airplanes,
> while still offering the engineering and piloting challenges of aircraft.
> "Flying in 2D", as someone here put it, is a good description.
>
> Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
> From the dark and rainy skys of Oklahoma
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <darus@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: airplanes and boats
>
>
> > I'm just glad that I have easy access to a lake but NOT an open field,
> > otherwise this thread could get me in real trouble.
> >
> > > I don't know about this discussion strand. I am leary of talking
about
> > > airplanes in a boating discussion group. I, for one, know that
> > > swimming much easier than flying.
> > >
> > > David Jost :-)
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing
> > - stay on topic
> > - use punctuation
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> >
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>
I, too, am a member of the "want to build my own airplane, but build boats
instead" group.
I imagine a large percentage of us, if not most of us, are that way.
Homebuilt sailboats are generaly safer and cheaper than homebuilt airplanes,
while still offering the engineering and piloting challenges of aircraft.
"Flying in 2D", as someone here put it, is a good description.
Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
From the dark and rainy skys of Oklahoma
instead" group.
I imagine a large percentage of us, if not most of us, are that way.
Homebuilt sailboats are generaly safer and cheaper than homebuilt airplanes,
while still offering the engineering and piloting challenges of aircraft.
"Flying in 2D", as someone here put it, is a good description.
Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
From the dark and rainy skys of Oklahoma
----- Original Message -----
From: <darus@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: airplanes and boats
> I'm just glad that I have easy access to a lake but NOT an open field,
> otherwise this thread could get me in real trouble.
>
> > I don't know about this discussion strand. I am leary of talking about
> > airplanes in a boating discussion group. I, for one, know that
> > swimming much easier than flying.
> >
> > David Jost :-)
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
I'm just glad that I have easy access to a lake but NOT an open field,
otherwise this thread could get me in real trouble.
otherwise this thread could get me in real trouble.
> I don't know about this discussion strand. I am leary of talking about
> airplanes in a boating discussion group. I, for one, know that
> swimming much easier than flying.
>
> David Jost :-)
I don't know about this discussion strand. I am leary of talking about
airplanes in a boating discussion group. I, for one, know that
swimming much easier than flying.
David Jost :-)
airplanes in a boating discussion group. I, for one, know that
swimming much easier than flying.
David Jost :-)
>
> Jdmeddock@A... wrote:
>
> > How about a polytarp para-plane? Should only take a few hours to build.
> > Justin Meddock
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing
> > - stay on topic
> > - use punctuation
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
Sorry about the duplicate post. I once heard someone who participated
in both hobbies say that there were very many similarities, especially if you
think of flying as the three dimensional version of sailing. There is
certainly the question of "lift" and aerodynamics. Further, there is the
imprecise control of the direction of movement, due to the interaction of
the surrounding medium with the craft itself. Finally, as my grandmother
used to say "Whatever goes up must come down...but the opposite is not true".
Regards, Warren
In a message dated 00-10-24 22:37:10 EDT, you write:
<< I rather doubt that PCB would be so foolish! But Sam Rabl was! Chapter 8
of
"From My Old Boat Shop", Weston Farmer, ISBN 0-9641204-2-9, (publishing data
a bit confusing, but I got my copy from Weston Farmer and Associates, 18970
Azure Road, Wayzata, MN 55391, tel. 612-473-2360 (area code to change in
near
future to either 952 or 352)) tells the story of an unsuccessful trial of a
seaplane design by that naval architect, the "Sea Gull". I believe that
Sterling Burgess (?) designed bi-plane seaplanes with significant dihedral
and sweep to the wings ca. WWI, but can't remember the source. In any case,
I
think that designing and operating airplanes represents an order of
magnitude
increase in difficulty and has long since become the province of specialized
engineers and pilots - "don't try this at home" >>
in both hobbies say that there were very many similarities, especially if you
think of flying as the three dimensional version of sailing. There is
certainly the question of "lift" and aerodynamics. Further, there is the
imprecise control of the direction of movement, due to the interaction of
the surrounding medium with the craft itself. Finally, as my grandmother
used to say "Whatever goes up must come down...but the opposite is not true".
Regards, Warren
In a message dated 00-10-24 22:37:10 EDT, you write:
<< I rather doubt that PCB would be so foolish! But Sam Rabl was! Chapter 8
of
"From My Old Boat Shop", Weston Farmer, ISBN 0-9641204-2-9, (publishing data
a bit confusing, but I got my copy from Weston Farmer and Associates, 18970
Azure Road, Wayzata, MN 55391, tel. 612-473-2360 (area code to change in
near
future to either 952 or 352)) tells the story of an unsuccessful trial of a
seaplane design by that naval architect, the "Sea Gull". I believe that
Sterling Burgess (?) designed bi-plane seaplanes with significant dihedral
and sweep to the wings ca. WWI, but can't remember the source. In any case,
I
think that designing and operating airplanes represents an order of
magnitude
increase in difficulty and has long since become the province of specialized
engineers and pilots - "don't try this at home" >>
In a message dated 00-10-24 22:37:10 EDT, you write:
<< I rather doubt that PCB would be so foolish! But Sam Rabl was! Chapter 8
of
"From My Old Boat Shop", Weston Farmer, ISBN 0-9641204-2-9, (publishing data
a bit confusing, but I got my copy from Weston Farmer and Associates, 18970
Azure Road, Wayzata, MN 55391, tel. 612-473-2360 (area code to change in
near
future to either 952 or 352)) tells the story of an unsuccessful trial of a
seaplane design by that naval architect, the "Sea Gull". I believe that
Sterling Burgess (?) designed bi-plane seaplanes with significant dihedral
and sweep to the wings ca. WWI, but can't remember the source. In any case,
I
think that designing and operating airplanes represents an order of
magnitude
increase in difficulty and has long since become the province of specialized
engineers and pilots - "don't try this at home" >>
<< I rather doubt that PCB would be so foolish! But Sam Rabl was! Chapter 8
of
"From My Old Boat Shop", Weston Farmer, ISBN 0-9641204-2-9, (publishing data
a bit confusing, but I got my copy from Weston Farmer and Associates, 18970
Azure Road, Wayzata, MN 55391, tel. 612-473-2360 (area code to change in
near
future to either 952 or 352)) tells the story of an unsuccessful trial of a
seaplane design by that naval architect, the "Sea Gull". I believe that
Sterling Burgess (?) designed bi-plane seaplanes with significant dihedral
and sweep to the wings ca. WWI, but can't remember the source. In any case,
I
think that designing and operating airplanes represents an order of
magnitude
increase in difficulty and has long since become the province of specialized
engineers and pilots - "don't try this at home" >>
In a message dated 10/24/00 9:42:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
dhodges@...writes:
<< The prettiest plywood work I have ever seen is the big 1920's Navy flying
boat NC-4, in the Navy Aviation Museum at Pensacola NAS. >>
As a grade-school student, I was taken on a class field trip in my home town
to a shop that crafted the wings for "Bellanca Viking" aircraft. I was much
too young to have any real appreciation of the workmanship or materials
involved, but I remember being almost stunned by the 1) elaborate jigs, 2)
precision fitting, 3) intricate construction, and (most of all) 4) the
beautiful clear lengths of spruce timber! The beauty of the "lumber" (as I
thought of wood in those days) just took my breath away.
Bill in MN
dhodges@...writes:
<< The prettiest plywood work I have ever seen is the big 1920's Navy flying
boat NC-4, in the Navy Aviation Museum at Pensacola NAS. >>
As a grade-school student, I was taken on a class field trip in my home town
to a shop that crafted the wings for "Bellanca Viking" aircraft. I was much
too young to have any real appreciation of the workmanship or materials
involved, but I remember being almost stunned by the 1) elaborate jigs, 2)
precision fitting, 3) intricate construction, and (most of all) 4) the
beautiful clear lengths of spruce timber! The beauty of the "lumber" (as I
thought of wood in those days) just took my breath away.
Bill in MN
In a message dated 10/24/00 8:53:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
garth@...writes:
<< (We could really keep this thing on-topic if PCB designed a seaplane.) >>
I rather doubt that PCB would be so foolish! But Sam Rabl was! Chapter 8 of
"From My Old Boat Shop", Weston Farmer, ISBN 0-9641204-2-9, (publishing data
a bit confusing, but I got my copy from Weston Farmer and Associates, 18970
Azure Road, Wayzata, MN 55391, tel. 612-473-2360 (area code to change in near
future to either 952 or 352)) tells the story of an unsuccessful trial of a
seaplane design by that naval architect, the "Sea Gull". I believe that
Sterling Burgess (?) designed bi-plane seaplanes with significant dihedral
and sweep to the wings ca. WWI, but can't remember the source. In any case, I
think that designing and operating airplanes represents an order of magnitude
increase in difficulty and has long since become the province of specialized
engineers and pilots - "don't try this at home".
Bill in MN
garth@...writes:
<< (We could really keep this thing on-topic if PCB designed a seaplane.) >>
I rather doubt that PCB would be so foolish! But Sam Rabl was! Chapter 8 of
"From My Old Boat Shop", Weston Farmer, ISBN 0-9641204-2-9, (publishing data
a bit confusing, but I got my copy from Weston Farmer and Associates, 18970
Azure Road, Wayzata, MN 55391, tel. 612-473-2360 (area code to change in near
future to either 952 or 352)) tells the story of an unsuccessful trial of a
seaplane design by that naval architect, the "Sea Gull". I believe that
Sterling Burgess (?) designed bi-plane seaplanes with significant dihedral
and sweep to the wings ca. WWI, but can't remember the source. In any case, I
think that designing and operating airplanes represents an order of magnitude
increase in difficulty and has long since become the province of specialized
engineers and pilots - "don't try this at home".
Bill in MN
The Experimental Aircraft Association publishes a set of books from
the 20s and 30s that have just about everything you need to know,
including full plans for several small aircraft. I don't recall the
name, but check out EAA.com. They even have plans for floats for
airplanes.
While Burt Rutan is the PCB of homebuilts, I'd have to say Roger Mann
of Ragwing Aeroplanes is the Jim Michalak. Also, Chuck Beeson and
Graham Lee would be the Dynamite Paysons. The redesign of the Moth
that I'm building is a Mann design, while Chuck Beeson designed
something called the Texas Parasol, (remember the Guillow's stick
planes? now add a seat and a Kawasaki 340 engine, and there you are)
and Graham Lee makes little 7/8th scale Nieuport fighters powered by
just about anything that goes vroom. There are squadrons of these
things literally flying all over America.
thanks for the interest.
Drew
the 20s and 30s that have just about everything you need to know,
including full plans for several small aircraft. I don't recall the
name, but check out EAA.com. They even have plans for floats for
airplanes.
While Burt Rutan is the PCB of homebuilts, I'd have to say Roger Mann
of Ragwing Aeroplanes is the Jim Michalak. Also, Chuck Beeson and
Graham Lee would be the Dynamite Paysons. The redesign of the Moth
that I'm building is a Mann design, while Chuck Beeson designed
something called the Texas Parasol, (remember the Guillow's stick
planes? now add a seat and a Kawasaki 340 engine, and there you are)
and Graham Lee makes little 7/8th scale Nieuport fighters powered by
just about anything that goes vroom. There are squadrons of these
things literally flying all over America.
thanks for the interest.
Drew
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Garth Battista" <garth@b...> wrote:
>
> > Love of aviation and boats are often intertwined.
>
> Not that I need another all-consuming obsession just now, but
> building an airplane sounds pretty cool. What is the aviation
> equivalent of "Build the New Instant Boats" -- is there a good
simple
> intro for the curious, completely ignorant novice?
>
> (We could really keep this thing on-topic if PCB designed a
seaplane.)
>
> All best,
> Garth
Don't think so. Robert X. Cringley, a computer columnist/writer/pilot bet
someone he could build and fly an airplane in 30 days. He started with the
foam/epoxy concept but never made it. He then built an all wood airplane in
much less the 30 days. Airplane was built the old-fashioned way, built up
from spruce and plywood with VW power. They made a TV show of it.
Epoxy/foam requires a lot of handwork, laminating, and fairing.
Paul W. Esterle
Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
423.989.3159
S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
Bristol, Tenn. USA
http://www.captnpauley.bigstep.com
http://pages.preferred.com/~pesterle/
someone he could build and fly an airplane in 30 days. He started with the
foam/epoxy concept but never made it. He then built an all wood airplane in
much less the 30 days. Airplane was built the old-fashioned way, built up
from spruce and plywood with VW power. They made a TV show of it.
Epoxy/foam requires a lot of handwork, laminating, and fairing.
Paul W. Esterle
Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
423.989.3159
S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
Bristol, Tenn. USA
http://www.captnpauley.bigstep.com
http://pages.preferred.com/~pesterle/
----- Original Message -----
From: <cliff25@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: airplanes and boats
> << .....what is the aviation equivalent of "Build the New Instant Boats"
> -- is there a good simple intro for the curious, completely ignorant
> novice?>>
>
> Last time I looked, easily cut foam with mylar and epoxy was the route
> to an "Instant Plane."
>
> CM
>
>http://www.angelfire.com/mi/mmmkkk/
> (Last of the Red Hot DJs)
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
Justin. Sounds pretty high tech!
Please pass the wax.
Icarus
Jdmeddock@...wrote:
Please pass the wax.
Icarus
Jdmeddock@...wrote:
> How about a polytarp para-plane? Should only take a few hours to build.
> Justin Meddock
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
How about a polytarp para-plane? Should only take a few hours to build.
Justin Meddock
Justin Meddock
<< .....what is the aviation equivalent of "Build the New Instant Boats"
-- is there a good simple intro for the curious, completely ignorant
novice?>>
Last time I looked, easily cut foam with mylar and epoxy was the route
to an "Instant Plane."
CM
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/mmmkkk/
(Last of the Red Hot DJs)
-- is there a good simple intro for the curious, completely ignorant
novice?>>
Last time I looked, easily cut foam with mylar and epoxy was the route
to an "Instant Plane."
CM
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/mmmkkk/
(Last of the Red Hot DJs)
> Love of aviation and boats are often intertwined.Not that I need another all-consuming obsession just now, but
building an airplane sounds pretty cool. What is the aviation
equivalent of "Build the New Instant Boats" -- is there a good simple
intro for the curious, completely ignorant novice?
(We could really keep this thing on-topic if PCB designed a seaplane.)
All best,
Garth
The prettiest plywood work I have ever seen is the big 1920's Navy flying
boat NC-4, in the Navy Aviation Museum at Pensacola NAS. This is a
cold-molded work of art about the size of a B-25.
The museum is free, and a must-see if you are in Pensacola. I have a link
to their site on mine:
www.ecoastlife.com (which has a bit of
Nymph-building too...)
Don Hodges
boat NC-4, in the Navy Aviation Museum at Pensacola NAS. This is a
cold-molded work of art about the size of a B-25.
The museum is free, and a must-see if you are in Pensacola. I have a link
to their site on mine:
www.ecoastlife.com (which has a bit of
Nymph-building too...)
Don Hodges
Love of aviation and boats are often intertwined. Bolger has mentioned
aircraft design occasionally, and is a admirer of Burt Rutan (The Phil
Bolger of Airplane Design).
The individual who best combines the passion for both is Ernest Gann. This
winter when the stormy winds howl, and the glue is drying, settle down with
one of his books. His "Song of the Sirens" is one of the best evocations of
boat ownership (not man owning boat, the other way around) that I have read.
HJ
Seabird Aviation wrote:
% Harrywelshman@...
aircraft design occasionally, and is a admirer of Burt Rutan (The Phil
Bolger of Airplane Design).
The individual who best combines the passion for both is Ernest Gann. This
winter when the stormy winds howl, and the glue is drying, settle down with
one of his books. His "Song of the Sirens" is one of the best evocations of
boat ownership (not man owning boat, the other way around) that I have read.
HJ
Seabird Aviation wrote:
> >From recent messages it appears that several members share my passion_ _ _ _ _
> for boats and airplanes.
>
% Harrywelshman@...
From recent messages it appears that several members share my passion
for boats and airplanes.
My Martha Jane is being built in an airplane factory, and most people
on the airfield are convinced it is a WW1 Vickers Vimy bomber replica.
Although some bright spark thought it was a packing crate for an
airplane.
Keeping with things aeronautical, the boat has been named Box Kite
after the Bristol Box Kite.
Regards
Peter Adams
for boats and airplanes.
My Martha Jane is being built in an airplane factory, and most people
on the airfield are convinced it is a WW1 Vickers Vimy bomber replica.
Although some bright spark thought it was a packing crate for an
airplane.
Keeping with things aeronautical, the boat has been named Box Kite
after the Bristol Box Kite.
Regards
Peter Adams