Re: [bolger] Re: Single-handing the Scooner
ACK! NO! UGLY!
I don't think the scooner was ever meant to be practical -- she's a
flight of fancy. I only mention the daggerboard because it will
definately factor in my larger boat fantasies.
-D
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
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I don't think the scooner was ever meant to be practical -- she's a
flight of fancy. I only mention the daggerboard because it will
definately factor in my larger boat fantasies.
-D
>CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
>This type of leeboard does not have to ruin the shear line. Take the Family
>Skiff for example:
>http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/1apr00.htm#FAMILY%20SKIFF
>This type of board is effective, easy to build, tame, and low profile. Take
>a look.
>
>Chuck
>
>> Yes, for about a millisecond. The thing I love best about this boat
>> is the way she looks, especially the shear. No interferences with
>> that line please!
>>
>> -D
>>
>> CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
>> 134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
>> New York, NY 10001
>> (212) 243-1636
>
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
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David
This type of leeboard does not have to ruin the shear line. Take the Family
Skiff for example:
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/1apr00.htm#FAMILY%20SKIFF
This type of board is effective, easy to build, tame, and low profile. Take
a look.
Chuck
This type of leeboard does not have to ruin the shear line. Take the Family
Skiff for example:
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/1apr00.htm#FAMILY%20SKIFF
This type of board is effective, easy to build, tame, and low profile. Take
a look.
Chuck
> Yes, for about a millisecond. The thing I love best about this boat
> is the way she looks, especially the shear. No interferences with
> that line please!
>
> -D
>
> CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
> 134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, NY 10001
> (212) 243-1636
In using the video camera for live action.
get a clear lens used for protecting the lens in
shooting situations . Cut an opening in a freezer
bag, tape and glue the bag to the lens and put the
camera in the bag. You can get C-clamp attachments
for a camera mount and then put this contraption
almost anywhere you want to.
I have employed this trick while filming water action
scenes for feature films and it protects the gear
quite well. i have even had cameras go underwater
briefly with no moisture problem.
Quick, cheep and dirty.
If you want better protection at 10X the cost, go to a
local camera store and buy a baggy protector for your
camera. they are $40 plus if I remember correctly.
Roger
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get a clear lens used for protecting the lens in
shooting situations . Cut an opening in a freezer
bag, tape and glue the bag to the lens and put the
camera in the bag. You can get C-clamp attachments
for a camera mount and then put this contraption
almost anywhere you want to.
I have employed this trick while filming water action
scenes for feature films and it protects the gear
quite well. i have even had cameras go underwater
briefly with no moisture problem.
Quick, cheep and dirty.
If you want better protection at 10X the cost, go to a
local camera store and buy a baggy protector for your
camera. they are $40 plus if I remember correctly.
Roger
--- David Ryan <david@...> wrote:
> >It's good to know, too, that you can singlehand the__________________________________________________
> Light Schooner
> >like that. Too bad you can't mount one of these
> mini-video cams on
> >board and post video to the Files . . . I hope you
> get to sail more
> >(and tell us more) before we're all frozen in for
> the winter.
>
> I have a feeling that on-board video of sailing has
> to put the camera
> at risk before it gets interesting to watch. I do
> hope to have some
> photos of her underway before too long. I had
> intended to take my
> water-resistant point and shoot, but forgot to put
> it in my pocket.
>
> I don't think the shore crew was ignorant of Bolger
> in particular,
> just sailing in general. Montauk is a fish town --
> every kind of fish
> boat you can imagine, but not too many sail boat.
> Most of what we
> have are rather nondescript sloops. It did strike me
> as ironic that a
> downeast fisherman didn't know a schooner rig when
> he saw. At least
> someone on deck did.
>
> The light scooner is *wonderful* in light air. If I
> had a longer
> sheet in the jib, I could have trimmed it from the
> steering position
> as well, but I would have liked to have a pin or
> cleat to snub it off
> on. No matter going to weather, the jib is self
> tending. I set it
> before I left the beach. I left it where it was when
> I ran off wing
> and wing, and then ran up and played it out when I
> came up on the
> reach coming in the jetty.
>
> All the sailing I did as a kid was in racing
> dinghies, and we always
> wanted to drive our boats as hard as we could in as
> much wind as we
> could find.
>
> This light air sailing is a revelation for me. The
> scooner slips
> along so easily under very modest breezes, it's a
> real pleasure --
> enough speed to feel like your moving along, but
> none of the sturn
> und drang I usually associate with making time under
> sail. I'm once
> again having fantasies of a doubled scooner. Imagine
> it -- including
> the sprit she'd be 50 feet or so, and carry about
> 1000 feet of sail.
> I can see her gliding across Peconic bay on a
> gentle breeze (but
> I'll have the sail maker put in some DEEP reef point
> for when the
> wind kicks up.) More thoughts on this to come.
>
> One thing I don't like about the scooner is the
> dagger board. It's
> fine once it's in place, but it's a big honking
> piece of wood when
> you've got to place it or remove it. It also gets in
> the way of both
> the main and the fore boom if you lift it at all.
> The benefit is it's
> easy to build and doesn't take any cockpit room. I
> don't know that
> I'd do anything different in its place, it just is
> the way it is.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
> 134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, NY 10001
> (212) 243-1636
>
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I am not familiar with this design however is it
possible to convert the dagger board to a crankup
centerboard style that would not interfere with the
boom
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possible to convert the dagger board to a crankup
centerboard style that would not interfere with the
boom
--- David Ryan <david@...> wrote:
> >> One thing I don't like about the scooner is the__________________________________________________
> dagger board. It's
> >> fine once it's in place, but it's a big honking
> piece of wood when
> >> you've got to place it or remove it. It also
> gets in the way of both
> >> the main and the fore boom if you lift it at
> all. The benefit is it's
> >> easy to build and doesn't take any cockpit room.
> I don't know that
> >> I'd do anything different in its place, it just
> is the way it is.
> >>
> >> YIBB,
> >>
> >> David
> >
> >Indeed, David, these posts are very entertaining.
> As to the centerboard,
> >have you considered a pivoting leeboard a la Jim
> Michalak?
>
> Yes, for about a millisecond. The thing I love best
> about this boat
> is the way she looks, especially the shear. No
> interferences with
> that line please!
>
> -D
>
> CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
> 134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, NY 10001
> (212) 243-1636
>
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>> One thing I don't like about the scooner is the dagger board. It'sYes, for about a millisecond. The thing I love best about this boat
>> fine once it's in place, but it's a big honking piece of wood when
>> you've got to place it or remove it. It also gets in the way of both
>> the main and the fore boom if you lift it at all. The benefit is it's
>> easy to build and doesn't take any cockpit room. I don't know that
>> I'd do anything different in its place, it just is the way it is.
>>
>> YIBB,
>>
>> David
>
>Indeed, David, these posts are very entertaining. As to the centerboard,
>have you considered a pivoting leeboard a la Jim Michalak?
is the way she looks, especially the shear. No interferences with
that line please!
-D
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
> One thing I don't like about the scooner is the dagger board. It'sIndeed, David, these posts are very entertaining. As to the centerboard,
> fine once it's in place, but it's a big honking piece of wood when
> you've got to place it or remove it. It also gets in the way of both
> the main and the fore boom if you lift it at all. The benefit is it's
> easy to build and doesn't take any cockpit room. I don't know that
> I'd do anything different in its place, it just is the way it is.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
have you considered a pivoting leeboard a la Jim Michalak?
Chuck
>It's good to know, too, that you can singlehand the Light SchoonerI have a feeling that on-board video of sailing has to put the camera
>like that. Too bad you can't mount one of these mini-video cams on
>board and post video to the Files . . . I hope you get to sail more
>(and tell us more) before we're all frozen in for the winter.
at risk before it gets interesting to watch. I do hope to have some
photos of her underway before too long. I had intended to take my
water-resistant point and shoot, but forgot to put it in my pocket.
I don't think the shore crew was ignorant of Bolger in particular,
just sailing in general. Montauk is a fish town -- every kind of fish
boat you can imagine, but not too many sail boat. Most of what we
have are rather nondescript sloops. It did strike me as ironic that a
downeast fisherman didn't know a schooner rig when he saw. At least
someone on deck did.
The light scooner is *wonderful* in light air. If I had a longer
sheet in the jib, I could have trimmed it from the steering position
as well, but I would have liked to have a pin or cleat to snub it off
on. No matter going to weather, the jib is self tending. I set it
before I left the beach. I left it where it was when I ran off wing
and wing, and then ran up and played it out when I came up on the
reach coming in the jetty.
All the sailing I did as a kid was in racing dinghies, and we always
wanted to drive our boats as hard as we could in as much wind as we
could find.
This light air sailing is a revelation for me. The scooner slips
along so easily under very modest breezes, it's a real pleasure --
enough speed to feel like your moving along, but none of the sturn
und drang I usually associate with making time under sail. I'm once
again having fantasies of a doubled scooner. Imagine it -- including
the sprit she'd be 50 feet or so, and carry about 1000 feet of sail.
I can see her gliding across Peconic bay on a gentle breeze (but
I'll have the sail maker put in some DEEP reef point for when the
wind kicks up.) More thoughts on this to come.
One thing I don't like about the scooner is the dagger board. It's
fine once it's in place, but it's a big honking piece of wood when
you've got to place it or remove it. It also gets in the way of both
the main and the fore boom if you lift it at all. The benefit is it's
easy to build and doesn't take any cockpit room. I don't know that
I'd do anything different in its place, it just is the way it is.
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
David --
That sail sounds dreamy. Especially the reactions of the sadly
Bolgerless audience on shore and other boats.
It's good to know, too, that you can singlehand the Light Schooner
like that. Too bad you can't mount one of these mini-video cams on
board and post video to the Files . . . I hope you get to sail more
(and tell us more) before we're all frozen in for the winter.
All best,
Garth
That sail sounds dreamy. Especially the reactions of the sadly
Bolgerless audience on shore and other boats.
It's good to know, too, that you can singlehand the Light Schooner
like that. Too bad you can't mount one of these mini-video cams on
board and post video to the Files . . . I hope you get to sail more
(and tell us more) before we're all frozen in for the winter.
All best,
Garth
David,
I don't know about the rest of our group, but I thoroughly enjoy reading about
your sailing adventures. Helps maintain my motivation. Please keep producing
these pleasant stories. You capture the enjoyment, tell us about it, and we
all share in the fun. Virtual crew? How about some pictures under sail?
Look forward to your next chapter.
Jim C.
I don't know about the rest of our group, but I thoroughly enjoy reading about
your sailing adventures. Helps maintain my motivation. Please keep producing
these pleasant stories. You capture the enjoyment, tell us about it, and we
all share in the fun. Virtual crew? How about some pictures under sail?
Look forward to your next chapter.
Jim C.
>FBBB --
>
>It's grey, but mild Autumn day in Montauk -- a tough day to find
>crew, but with the wind out of the Northeast at about 8-12 and the
>tide dead low at 3PM (a perfect day to poke the nose of the scooner
>out into the sound,) it was not a day to stay ashore.
>
>I've become much more facile with the rigging and in know time I had
>pushed off the beach and was on a starboard tack heading North across
>the lake. The long beat in a steady wind gave me a chance to start
>feeling out the subtler aspects of the rig. A couple of loops around
>the tiller with the mainsheet put steerage and the mainsail in my
>left hand, and running the foresheet around the mainmast put the
>foresail in my right. Lesson learned last Saturday, I slacked the
>foresail on the puffs, and got a little lift to windward for my
>shrewdness. I caught a header in front of the Montauk Yacht Club, so
>I tacked over to port and headed for the north side of the lake. When
>I got as far East as I dared (shallow water in that part of the
>lake,) I tacked over again, fell off slightly and headed into the
>channel that leads to Block Island Sound.
>
>The passage from the body of Lake Montauk to the sound does a zig and
>a zag; the wind is blocked and shifty; and if the tides wrong, the
>current can complicate things mightily. But as it was coming up on
>slack tide and the wind was out of the Northeast, I figured that if
>things started going badly I could put the wind behind me and run
>back into the lake. The last thing I wanted was to end up stalled as
>one of the large draggers came motoring down the channel.
>
>"Hey look at that strange rig." the voice was coming from the Pronto,
>a 90 foot dragger tied up at the fishwholesaler's dock, "Barely a
>breeze and she's moving right along." Barely a breeze because I was
>blocked by the big trawler, and moving right along as much because I
>was riding the very last of the out going tide as because of Margaret
>Ellen's fine lines. I cleared her stern, caught a puff and scooted
>ahead.
>
>I had hoped the wind was enough out of the East I could sneak through
>mostly on starboard tack, with maybe one or two short tacks to make
>up for leeway. Instead, the header I got in front of the yacht club
>was holding, and I was going to have to do a little boat handling.
>
>It was a half dozen clean tacks before I blew one right in front of a
>bunch of late-season tourist having lunch at Gosman's. She stalled,
>wallowed in irons before finally falling off on the side I wanted. I
>followed that by running aground on the far side, but a quick (and I
>might add, well executed) jibe got me off before things got
>embarrassing. After that it was two more uneventful tacks and I was
>out in the sound.
>
>I can't describe the feeling of being out on the sound under that
>gaff schooner rig. Even now, my chest feels as if it will burst just
>thinking about it. I tacked out a little further, fell off, jibed,
>and headed back for the jetty.
>
>I the clear air of the sound she went wing and wing effortlessly --
>no coaxing the foresail out against its will. There I was, running in
>from the sound, both sails splayed out against the sky in perfect
>profile. I will I had a picture taken from ashore; but I can already
>see it in my mind's eye, so I guess I don't really need it. Once back
>in the jetty, I headed up a little and coasted on a broad reach past
>the docks.
>
>"Wooden Schooner!" came a shout from the Pronto as I passed her
>again. One of his mates must have told him what that "strange rig"
>was."
>
>More our less held course across the lake, passing a couple of
>clammers as I went. Margaret Ellen's only been sharing the lake with
>them for a few weeks, so they still stop their work long enough for a
>smile and a wave as I go by.
>
>YIBB,
>
>David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
>134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
>New York, NY 10001
>(212) 243-1636
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing
>- stay on topic
>- use punctuation
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>
FBBB --
It's grey, but mild Autumn day in Montauk -- a tough day to find
crew, but with the wind out of the Northeast at about 8-12 and the
tide dead low at 3PM (a perfect day to poke the nose of the scooner
out into the sound,) it was not a day to stay ashore.
I've become much more facile with the rigging and in know time I had
pushed off the beach and was on a starboard tack heading North across
the lake. The long beat in a steady wind gave me a chance to start
feeling out the subtler aspects of the rig. A couple of loops around
the tiller with the mainsheet put steerage and the mainsail in my
left hand, and running the foresheet around the mainmast put the
foresail in my right. Lesson learned last Saturday, I slacked the
foresail on the puffs, and got a little lift to windward for my
shrewdness. I caught a header in front of the Montauk Yacht Club, so
I tacked over to port and headed for the north side of the lake. When
I got as far East as I dared (shallow water in that part of the
lake,) I tacked over again, fell off slightly and headed into the
channel that leads to Block Island Sound.
The passage from the body of Lake Montauk to the sound does a zig and
a zag; the wind is blocked and shifty; and if the tides wrong, the
current can complicate things mightily. But as it was coming up on
slack tide and the wind was out of the Northeast, I figured that if
things started going badly I could put the wind behind me and run
back into the lake. The last thing I wanted was to end up stalled as
one of the large draggers came motoring down the channel.
"Hey look at that strange rig." the voice was coming from the Pronto,
a 90 foot dragger tied up at the fishwholesaler's dock, "Barely a
breeze and she's moving right along." Barely a breeze because I was
blocked by the big trawler, and moving right along as much because I
was riding the very last of the out going tide as because of Margaret
Ellen's fine lines. I cleared her stern, caught a puff and scooted
ahead.
I had hoped the wind was enough out of the East I could sneak through
mostly on starboard tack, with maybe one or two short tacks to make
up for leeway. Instead, the header I got in front of the yacht club
was holding, and I was going to have to do a little boat handling.
It was a half dozen clean tacks before I blew one right in front of a
bunch of late-season tourist having lunch at Gosman's. She stalled,
wallowed in irons before finally falling off on the side I wanted. I
followed that by running aground on the far side, but a quick (and I
might add, well executed) jibe got me off before things got
embarrassing. After that it was two more uneventful tacks and I was
out in the sound.
I can't describe the feeling of being out on the sound under that
gaff schooner rig. Even now, my chest feels as if it will burst just
thinking about it. I tacked out a little further, fell off, jibed,
and headed back for the jetty.
I the clear air of the sound she went wing and wing effortlessly --
no coaxing the foresail out against its will. There I was, running in
from the sound, both sails splayed out against the sky in perfect
profile. I will I had a picture taken from ashore; but I can already
see it in my mind's eye, so I guess I don't really need it. Once back
in the jetty, I headed up a little and coasted on a broad reach past
the docks.
"Wooden Schooner!" came a shout from the Pronto as I passed her
again. One of his mates must have told him what that "strange rig"
was."
More our less held course across the lake, passing a couple of
clammers as I went. Margaret Ellen's only been sharing the lake with
them for a few weeks, so they still stop their work long enough for a
smile and a wave as I go by.
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
It's grey, but mild Autumn day in Montauk -- a tough day to find
crew, but with the wind out of the Northeast at about 8-12 and the
tide dead low at 3PM (a perfect day to poke the nose of the scooner
out into the sound,) it was not a day to stay ashore.
I've become much more facile with the rigging and in know time I had
pushed off the beach and was on a starboard tack heading North across
the lake. The long beat in a steady wind gave me a chance to start
feeling out the subtler aspects of the rig. A couple of loops around
the tiller with the mainsheet put steerage and the mainsail in my
left hand, and running the foresheet around the mainmast put the
foresail in my right. Lesson learned last Saturday, I slacked the
foresail on the puffs, and got a little lift to windward for my
shrewdness. I caught a header in front of the Montauk Yacht Club, so
I tacked over to port and headed for the north side of the lake. When
I got as far East as I dared (shallow water in that part of the
lake,) I tacked over again, fell off slightly and headed into the
channel that leads to Block Island Sound.
The passage from the body of Lake Montauk to the sound does a zig and
a zag; the wind is blocked and shifty; and if the tides wrong, the
current can complicate things mightily. But as it was coming up on
slack tide and the wind was out of the Northeast, I figured that if
things started going badly I could put the wind behind me and run
back into the lake. The last thing I wanted was to end up stalled as
one of the large draggers came motoring down the channel.
"Hey look at that strange rig." the voice was coming from the Pronto,
a 90 foot dragger tied up at the fishwholesaler's dock, "Barely a
breeze and she's moving right along." Barely a breeze because I was
blocked by the big trawler, and moving right along as much because I
was riding the very last of the out going tide as because of Margaret
Ellen's fine lines. I cleared her stern, caught a puff and scooted
ahead.
I had hoped the wind was enough out of the East I could sneak through
mostly on starboard tack, with maybe one or two short tacks to make
up for leeway. Instead, the header I got in front of the yacht club
was holding, and I was going to have to do a little boat handling.
It was a half dozen clean tacks before I blew one right in front of a
bunch of late-season tourist having lunch at Gosman's. She stalled,
wallowed in irons before finally falling off on the side I wanted. I
followed that by running aground on the far side, but a quick (and I
might add, well executed) jibe got me off before things got
embarrassing. After that it was two more uneventful tacks and I was
out in the sound.
I can't describe the feeling of being out on the sound under that
gaff schooner rig. Even now, my chest feels as if it will burst just
thinking about it. I tacked out a little further, fell off, jibed,
and headed back for the jetty.
I the clear air of the sound she went wing and wing effortlessly --
no coaxing the foresail out against its will. There I was, running in
from the sound, both sails splayed out against the sky in perfect
profile. I will I had a picture taken from ashore; but I can already
see it in my mind's eye, so I guess I don't really need it. Once back
in the jetty, I headed up a little and coasted on a broad reach past
the docks.
"Wooden Schooner!" came a shout from the Pronto as I passed her
again. One of his mates must have told him what that "strange rig"
was."
More our less held course across the lake, passing a couple of
clammers as I went. Margaret Ellen's only been sharing the lake with
them for a few weeks, so they still stop their work long enough for a
smile and a wave as I go by.
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636