Re: [bolger] Whalewatcher

Would a sworn and notarized statement from Phil Bolger and Friends serve as the "documentation of exclusive ownership"? It is impossible to prove a negative, but Ms. Altenburer to probably provide a document along the following:

"I, Susanne Altenburger provide the following information:

The Whalewatcher (Design Number nnn) Design was created by Phil Bolger and Friends
Mr. Phil Bolger and Friends consisted of Phil Bolger and Myself
Mr. Phil Bolger passed away in May, 2009, leaving me Sole Proprietor, Oi can wner, and Retailer of all designs not licensed to other firms*
The Whalewatcher was never licensed for sale to another firm
Therefore, I maintain sole and exclusive ownership of the design for the Whalewatcher (Design Number nnn) and any company or individual selling these plans is involved in theft of my intellectual property."

* The carve-out is for Dynamite Payson's Instant Boats site.

In Mr. Jenson's case, I don't believe there was intent to go behind anyone, and he appears to trying to make things right with the credit card transfer.

(Long time lurker on this group and longer time admiring of the design and thought process behind the designs)  
 

 

Greetings

There is an indication that the last response did not go out.

I will copy it here: 

 

Susanne,

When the plans were purchased "saving" was not what I had in mind. It is hard for me to believe that there would be so many plans available on an illegitimate web site.

The site is :www.common-sense-boats.com.

There is a yahoo group with no activity:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/csb_at/

The person I dealt with was Jerry Estes.

His address is:mariner_csb@...

Best wishes,

Jay Jensen

 

There is an underscore between mariner and csb in the e-mail address.

On a little further thought--- If you will provide me with some kind of documentation of exclusive ownership, I will use it to request that the credit card company transfer the payment to you.

Jay

 

 

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:26:06 -0400 <philbolger@...> writes:

Mr. Jensen,
which website sells WHALEWATCHER plans ?
Legitimate plans are only available from us.
’Saving’ on plans seems bad value
1. - in light of uncertainty whether you get what you need,
2. - in the context of just a fraction of epoxy-cost for such a design,

3. – ‘getting off on the wrong foot’ on a project of such relative ambitions.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

 

There is an underscore between mariner and csb in the e-mail address.

On a little further thought--- If you will provide me with some kind of documentation of exclusive ownership, I will use it to request that the credit card company transfer the payment to you.

 

Jay

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Would a sworn and notarized statement from Phil Bolger and Friends serve as the "documentation of exclusive ownership"? It is impossible to prove a negative, but Ms. Altenburer to probably provide a document along the following:

"I, Susanne Altenburger provide the following information:

The Whalewatcher (Design Number nnn) Design was created by Phil Bolger and Friends
Mr. Phil Bolger and Friends consisted of Phil Bolger and Myself
Mr. Phil Bolger passed away in May, 2009, leaving me Sole Proprietor, Owner, and Retailer of all designs not licensed to other firms*
The Whalewatcher was never licensed for sale to another firm
Therefore, I maintain sole and exclusive ownership of the design for the Whalewatcher (Design Number nnn) and any company or individual selling these plans is involved in theft of my intellectual property."

* The carve-out is for Dynamite Payson's Instant Boats site.

In Mr. Jenson's case, I don't believe there was intent to go behind anyone, and he appears to trying to make things right with the credit card transfer.

(Long time lurker on this group and longer time admiring of the design and thought process behind the designs)  
 

 

Greetings

There is an indication that the last response did not go out.

I will copy it here: 

 

Susanne,

When the plans were purchased "saving" was not what I had in mind. It is hard for me to believe that there would be so many plans available on an illegitimate web site.

The site is :www.common-sense-boats.com.

There is a yahoo group with no activity:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/csb_at/

The person I dealt with was Jerry Estes.

His address is:mariner_csb@...

Best wishes,

Jay Jensen

 

There is an underscore between mariner and csb in the e-mail address.

On a little further thought--- If you will provide me with some kind of documentation of exclusive ownership, I will use it to request that the credit card company transfer the payment to you.

Jay

 

 

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:26:06 -0400 <philbolger@...> writes:

Mr. Jensen,
which website sells WHALEWATCHER plans ?
Legitimate plans are only available from us.
’Saving’ on plans seems bad value
1. - in light of uncertainty whether you get what you need,
2. - in the context of just a fraction of epoxy-cost for such a design,

3. – ‘getting off on the wrong foot’ on a project of such relative ambitions.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

 

There is an underscore between mariner and csb in the e-mail address.

On a little further thought--- If you will provide me with some kind of documentation of exclusive ownership, I will use it to request that the credit card company transfer the payment to you.

 

Jay

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Hi........I searched for 2 days and couldn't find because my history isn't kept for that long ago. I was reading about it about 3 months ago.......It was a 12 volt fridge called quirk auto fridge........I've done alot of searches and I can't cough up the website...I don't know how I came across it in the first place. It never fails......the websites that you think aren't that important you can't find them again when you need them.....Robb

----- Original Message -----
From: graeme19121984
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:42 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Whalewatcher


Robb,

any more clues for that search - like what brand fridge (eg weako sp?),
how long ago, & etc?

Graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Robb" <Robb@...> wrote:
>
> I've been digging in my history ever since I wrote that message





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Robb,

any more clues for that search - like what brand fridge (eg weako sp?),
how long ago, & etc?

Graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Robb" <Robb@...> wrote:
>
> I've been digging in my history ever since I wrote that message

On 8/30/07, dproasit <knic0014@...> wrote:

> Thank you Bruce for the renderings - pretty as a picture - Do you have
> any info on dimensions/build weights etc.

29 feet LOA and 6'6" beam.

Measurements taken from the model, 4,600 displacement (with a big
water tank for ballast.) LWL of 20' 6" and a total sail area of about
400SF. My 'guess-ta-mit' of the empty dry trailer weight is about
2,700 pounds (based on an assumption of 3 psf on 900 sf of hull
structure.)

Thank you Bruce for the renderings - pretty as a picture - Do you have
any info on dimensions/build weights etc. I have posted before asking
same qu"s but didn't look like there was much info about
Thanks again - Darrell

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> > It would be fantastic to see another one!
>
> Well, part of the advantage of creating Free!ship models of Bolger
> boats is that I can work through the building process of the pieces in
> my mind. The Whalewatcher design is fundamentally quite simple, and
> especially with the water ballast, I think it could be very easily
> built. (At least, in my mind, I can imagine quickly building one.)
>
> In short, it offers a lot bang for the buck.
>
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/1267900446/
>

> It would be fantastic to see another one!

Well, part of the advantage of creating Free!ship models of Bolger
boats is that I can work through the building process of the pieces in
my mind. The Whalewatcher design is fundamentally quite simple, and
especially with the water ballast, I think it could be very easily
built. (At least, in my mind, I can imagine quickly building one.)

In short, it offers a lot bang for the buck.

http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/1267900446/

>http://www.adirondackgoodboat.com/usedboats.html
> ...is the only whalewatcher I have heard of.

Sadly, that Adirondack Goodboats WHALEWATCHER is no more. I hope they
do start a brand new one.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger4Sale/see message #502. The boat
was advertised for over a year there - #479, #453, & #342.

It would be fantastic to see another one!

Graeme

I have a mostly completed (no Rig) Whalewatcher for sale for the price of
materials $2,800.00 in So. Calif. Tim P Anderson



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From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Bruce Hallman
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:48 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Whalewatcher



On 8/29/07, Robb <Robb@explorermicroc
<mailto:Robb%40explorermicrocruiser.com> ruiser.com> wrote:

>
> Yes there is at least one built because I've seen pictures of it

sailing......Robb

Where did you see those photos? I am curious to learn more.

This...

http://www.adironda<http://www.adirondackgoodboat.com/usedboats.html>
ckgoodboat.com/usedboats.html

...is the only whalewatcher I have heard of.





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I've been digging in my history ever since I wrote that message.....I havn't found it yet but I'm still looking.....I may not be able to find it. The website wasn't about the whalewatcher it was about an australian made 12 volt refrigerator believe it or not. They were talking about how well it worked on their whalewatcher and there were several nice pictures of the boat sailing.........Robb

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Whalewatcher


On 8/29/07, Robb <Robb@...> wrote:
>
> Yes there is at least one built because I've seen pictures of it sailing......Robb

Where did you see those photos? I am curious to learn more.

This...

http://www.adirondackgoodboat.com/usedboats.html

...is the only whalewatcher I have heard of.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 8/29/07, Robb <Robb@...> wrote:

>
> Yes there is at least one built because I've seen pictures of it sailing......Robb

Where did you see those photos? I am curious to learn more.

This...

http://www.adirondackgoodboat.com/usedboats.html

...is the only whalewatcher I have heard of.

Yes there is at least one built because I've seen pictures of it sailing......Robb

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Hallman
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:13 AM
Subject: [bolger] Whalewatcher


http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/1267900446/

Whalewatcher is one of the few legendary boats in BWAOM, not yet wet.
(Like Superbrick.) Who among us is going to build one?




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http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/1267900446/

Whalewatcher is one of the few legendary boats in BWAOM, not yet wet.
(Like Superbrick.) Who among us is going to build one?

If I could find my notes, I could tell you the Whalewatcher guy's name. He wasn't dead at the beginning of December. We had a nice long chat. He is in poor health. He never completed Whalewatcher and now it has some dry rot in her bottom plywood.

Something resembling real life interrupted completing Whalewatcher for many years. The exagesis of outrageous fortune kept Whalewatcher from being properly stored which is why she's got dry rot.

I know that Mr. Whalewatcher monitors the Bolger fora, so he should be here real soon now.

Phil Smith

----- Original Message ----
From: donschultz8275 <donschultz@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:28:53
Subject: [bolger] Re: Whalewatcher

Whalewatcher and this very boat are the subject of one of the essays
in "Boats with an Open Mind".

One noteable feature of the design is that in was drawn to accomodate
6'5"+ crew height.

Per the essay, the builder/owner who commisioned the design passed
away with the boat nearly complete.

I've found some willing to get out from under owning such a boat for
the value of the trailer, and motor. Others want to be paid for the
plywood also.

I would check out this boat carefully just for concern over what may
have happened during years of storage.





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Whalewatcher and this very boat are the subject of one of the essays
in "Boats with an Open Mind".

One noteable feature of the design is that in was drawn to accomodate
6'5"+ crew height.

Per the essay, the builder/owner who commisioned the design passed
away with the boat nearly complete.

I've found some willing to get out from under owning such a boat for
the value of the trailer, and motor. Others want to be paid for the
plywood also.

I would check out this boat carefully just for concern over what may
have happened during years of storage.

I took the liberty to scan a recent ad from MAIB and upload it to
files in:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger4Sale/

This would seem like a huge opportunity to obtain a unique design,
that has always intrigued me.

Any suggestions on a reasonable offer? One would have to obtain more
details on the build of course, but it is mentioned that a
professional boat builder did it and includes a custom tilting
trailer valued currently at over $6K for trailer alone and 2.6k for
the sails.

Nels

I used to go down to the "hypersaline lagoons" on Winter and Spring
breaks. They're filled with shellfish, especially scallop. The Osprey
should have provisions for a scallop dredge! ;-)

YIBB,

D

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