Re: [bolger] Re: Bolger Fast Houseboat and Good European Boat Page

I really don't know the complete story. What I do know is that I recieved a
E-mail about two months ago that that stated that the owners of databoat
were planning to sell it and where excepting offers from anyone interested
in buying it. I didn't save that E-mail so I am only going from memory.

Michael Surface

>From: "Paul W. Esterle" <pesterle@...>
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bolger Fast Houseboat and Good European Boat Page
>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:49:12 -0500
>
>Michael,
>
>What's happening at Databoats??
>
>Paul W. Esterle
>Capt'n Pauley Video Productions
>423.989.3159
>S/V Bryn Awel, Columbia 10.7
>Bristol, Tenn. USA
>http://www.captnpauley.bigstep.com
>http://pages.preferred.com/~pesterle/
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Surface" <msurface@...>
>To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 12:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bolger Fast Houseboat and Good European Boat Page
>
>
> > Sorry I understand that databoat has changed hands and apparently that
> > design is no longer offered by them. It is a shame because it was just
>what
> > you discribed.
> >
> > Michael Surface.
> >
> >
> > >From: "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@...>
> > >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> > >To:bolger@egroups.com
> > >Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger Fast Houseboat and Good European Boat Page
> > >Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:18:43 -0000
> > >
> > >Michael, I can't seem to identify a 'GP-16' at
> > >http://www.databoat.com/
> > >Could you please provide a little more guidance?
> > >Thanks. John
> > >
> > >--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Michael Surface" <msurface@h...> wrote:
> > > > Check out the GP-16 at the databoat site. This is just about what
> > >you
> > > > described.
> > > >
> > > > Michael Surface
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...>
> > > > >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> > > > >To:bolger@egroups.com
> > > > >Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger Fast Houseboat and Good European Boat
> > >Page
> > > > >Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:09:32 -0000
> > > >
> > > > >Speaking of Watervan, why not a somewhat smaller, runabout version?
> > > > >It could have a fresh-air cockpit (with wheel and controls) forward
> > > > >and, begind, a convertible (dodger-covered) lounging area (beds at
> > > > >night).
> > > >
> > > >
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Michael,

What's happening at Databoats??

Paul W. Esterle
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423.989.3159
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Surface" <msurface@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bolger Fast Houseboat and Good European Boat Page

> Sorry I understand that databoat has changed hands and apparently that
> design is no longer offered by them. It is a shame because it was just
what
> you discribed.
>
> Michael Surface.
>
>
> >From: "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@...>
> >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> >To:bolger@egroups.com
> >Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger Fast Houseboat and Good European Boat Page
> >Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:18:43 -0000
> >
> >Michael, I can't seem to identify a 'GP-16' at
> >http://www.databoat.com/
> >Could you please provide a little more guidance?
> >Thanks. John
> >
> >--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Michael Surface" <msurface@h...> wrote:
> > > Check out the GP-16 at the databoat site. This is just about what
> >you
> > > described.
> > >
> > > Michael Surface
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...>
> > > >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> > > >To:bolger@egroups.com
> > > >Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger Fast Houseboat and Good European Boat
> >Page
> > > >Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:09:32 -0000
> > >
> > > >Speaking of Watervan, why not a somewhat smaller, runabout version?
> > > >It could have a fresh-air cockpit (with wheel and controls) forward
> > > >and, begind, a convertible (dodger-covered) lounging area (beds at
> > > >night).
> > >
> > >
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Thanks

I fogot that you had a link to it. I could not find it on databoat and
assumed it was gone for good. I still do not know if the plan is still
available.

Michael Surface

>From: "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@...>
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Bolger Fast Houseboat and Good European Boat Page
>Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 09:26:53 -0600
>
>Here is the url:
>
>http://www.databoat.com/cgi-tame/tame.cgi/boatingbooks/boatplans/JimBetts/GP
>16.tam?cart=99D07zsx.rcb&lpg=%2Fboatingbooks%2Fboatplans%2FSmallPowerBoatPla
>ns%2Etam&lpt=923487636
>
>The boat seems to be missing from the Databoat listings, but is still on
>the
>server. You can go here:
>
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/boatindex/trailer-motor-cruisers.htm
>
>and you will find the link right near the top. The second one, in fact.
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
> > Michael, I can't seem to identify a 'GP-16' at
> >http://www.databoat.com/
> > Could you please provide a little more guidance?
> > Thanks. John
>
>

Sorry I understand that databoat has changed hands and apparently that
design is no longer offered by them. It is a shame because it was just what
you discribed.

Michael Surface.

>From: "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@...>
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger Fast Houseboat and Good European Boat Page
>Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:18:43 -0000
>
>Michael, I can't seem to identify a 'GP-16' at
>http://www.databoat.com/
>Could you please provide a little more guidance?
>Thanks. John
>
>--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Michael Surface" <msurface@h...> wrote:
> > Check out the GP-16 at the databoat site. This is just about what
>you
> > described.
> >
> > Michael Surface
> >
> >
> > >From: "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...>
> > >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> > >To:bolger@egroups.com
> > >Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger Fast Houseboat and Good European Boat
>Page
> > >Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:09:32 -0000
> >
> > >Speaking of Watervan, why not a somewhat smaller, runabout version?
> > >It could have a fresh-air cockpit (with wheel and controls) forward
> > >and, begind, a convertible (dodger-covered) lounging area (beds at
> > >night).
> >
> >
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Michael, I can't seem to identify a 'GP-16' at
http://www.databoat.com/
Could you please provide a little more guidance?
Thanks. John

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Michael Surface" <msurface@h...> wrote:
> Check out the GP-16 at the databoat site. This is just about what
you
> described.
>
> Michael Surface
>
>
> >From: "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...>
> >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> >To:bolger@egroups.com
> >Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger Fast Houseboat and Good European Boat
Page
> >Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:09:32 -0000
>
> >Speaking of Watervan, why not a somewhat smaller, runabout version?
> >It could have a fresh-air cockpit (with wheel and controls) forward
> >and, begind, a convertible (dodger-covered) lounging area (beds at
> >night).
>
>
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Thanks for the tip, Vince. I'm certainly not surprised that Bolger is
ahead of me on this or anything else. My problem has a lot to do with
catching up, since he seems to be at about design No. 700 and I've
only gotten serious about this stuff in the past year or two. I
bought Boats with an Open Mind a year ago and, through abebooks.com a
few months ago, found Small Boats for $30 US. Then on eBay recently I
was able to buy The Folding Schooner for $16 US. But I have not yet
found 30-Odd Boats at a price I can justify -- it always being at
least $50 US ($75 Cdn). I guess I'll have to get into town and try to
find the book at the Public Library, then photocopy the most relevant
stuff.

John, in Victoria

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Vince Chew" <vachew@f...> wrote:
> John,
>
> Bolger is way ahead of you. Check out Fiddler II (A marine Van) in
> his book 30 ODD BOATS. It is 15' 10" long by 6' 8" wide. Same style
as
> the Water Van.
>
> Vince Chew
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Speaking of Watervan, why not a somewhat smaller, runabout
version?

I, in turn, have been away from the computer for a few days. Check
out the List's Files for Watervan. An article from Messing About in
Boats can be found there at
http://www.egroups.com/files/bolger/Watervan/Watervan+MAIB/
Whoops. This didn't coem out as a hypertext link, but you can cut and
paste.
John

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Stan Muller <smuller@i...> wrote:
> John,
> Having been out of touch for a while, I have missed the Watervan,
> is there anything about it on the web? If so where can I find it?
> It sounds interesting.
> Stan, Snow Goose

Sorry for the delay in replying, Jeffery; I've been away from the
computer for a few days.

Speeds in the Portage Inlet/Gorge Waterway are "severely restricted"
by posted speed limits (of 5 mph, I think it is). To boot, local
greenies are trying to get all boat motors banned and to eliminate
private docks and floats even though there are no public ones.
Radicals (I'd have to call them) are even worrying about kayaks and
canoes 'disturbing' the water fowl. I ask you!!

As for the second question, I admit to having not yet found
the 'perfect' design and tend to doodle in my mind, to play 'what if'
with what catches my eye for various reasons. I confess that I'm
still trying to define my true needs. However, I do think one of
Bolger's variants on the cutwater/box keel (Bantam, perhaps?) would
allow non-intrusive puttering the 5 km down to the Outer Harbour,
some along-shore speed with security in the Strait of Juan de Fuca,
modest power, overnight accommodation, trailer-ability behind our
Volkswagen Westfalia camper to more extensive river systems (like the
Sacramento), and the capability of resting on the mud when our
portion of Portage Inlet dries out at low tide. Whew!!

-- John (who last week paddled out from his home to view salmon on
their first passage through Portage Inlet in several decades -- one
of the _benefits_ of the green movement)

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, freedem@e... wrote:
>
> John
> why are the speeds limited and have you noticed that some people
> always want to scale up and others scale down? maybe its genetic LOL
> Jeffery
> >
> > John, in Victoria (where, on Portage Inlet/Gorge Waterway, speeds
> are
> > severely limited) :-(

Here is the url:

http://www.databoat.com/cgi-tame/tame.cgi/boatingbooks/boatplans/JimBetts/GP
16.tam?cart=99D07zsx.rcb&lpg=%2Fboatingbooks%2Fboatplans%2FSmallPowerBoatPla
ns%2Etam&lpt=923487636

The boat seems to be missing from the Databoat listings, but is still on the
server. You can go here:

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/boatindex/trailer-motor-cruisers.htm

and you will find the link right near the top. The second one, in fact.

Chuck

> Michael, I can't seem to identify a 'GP-16' at
>http://www.databoat.com/
> Could you please provide a little more guidance?
> Thanks. John

I think that Bantam was in Messing About in Boats as part of a discussion of
2 boats that would fit in a standard garage. Clyde

jhkohnen@...wrote:

> Stan-
>
> Glad I could help kindle some new boat dreams. <g> You forgot to mention
> the page where Bantam can be found:
>
>http://www.NauticAspect.com/
>
> On Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:46:23 -0600, Stan wrote:
> > Thanks a lot, John! ;-)
> > As if I wasn't already busy enough, finishing the Snow Goose, you
> > have to tell us all about the Bantam 20-16!
> > ...
>
> --
> John <jkohnen@...>
>http://www.boat-links.com/
> Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
> Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. <Groucho Marx>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts

Stan-

Glad I could help kindle some new boat dreams. <g> You forgot to mention
the page where Bantam can be found:

http://www.NauticAspect.com/

On Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:46:23 -0600, Stan wrote:
> Thanks a lot, John! ;-)
> As if I wasn't already busy enough, finishing the Snow Goose, you
> have to tell us all about the Bantam 20-16!
> ...

--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. <Groucho Marx>

John,

Bolger is way ahead of you. Check out Fiddler II (A marine Van) in
his book 30 ODD BOATS. It is 15' 10" long by 6' 8" wide. Same style as
the Water Van.

Vince Chew

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...> wrote:

>
> Speaking of Watervan, why not a somewhat smaller, runabout version?

Check out the GP-16 at the databoat site. This is just about what you
described.

Michael Surface

>From: "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@...>
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Bolger Fast Houseboat and Good European Boat Page
>Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:09:32 -0000

>Speaking of Watervan, why not a somewhat smaller, runabout version?
>It could have a fresh-air cockpit (with wheel and controls) forward
>and, begind, a convertible (dodger-covered) lounging area (beds at
>night).

John,
Having been out of touch for a while, I have missed the Watervan,
is there anything about it on the web? If so where can I find it?
It sounds interesting.
Stan, Snow Goose

John
why are the speeds limited and have you noticed that some people
always want to scale up and others scale down? maybe its genetic LOL
Jeffery

>
> John, in Victoria (where, on Portage Inlet/Gorge Waterway, speeds

are

> severely limited) :-(

The Bantam is of considerable interest to me, too. Where can we find
out more? Is there a verbal outline available as well as the drawing?
Although trimaran in form, Bantam seems to extend Bolger cutwater/box
keel explorations such as Watervan.

Speaking of Watervan, why not a somewhat smaller, runabout version?
It could have a fresh-air cockpit (with wheel and controls) forward
and, begind, a convertible (dodger-covered) lounging area (beds at
night). I bet it would go like stink! I suspect it could be
relatively simple to translate from Watervan plans, scaling down by
10% (to about 18' x 7'2')and chopping the house. I seem to recall
that, in 1930s limousine automobiles, a 'look' like that in my mind's
eye may have been called a 'Victoria'.

John, in Victoria (where, on Portage Inlet/Gorge Waterway, speeds are
severely limited) :-(

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Stan Muller <smuller@i...> wrote:
> Thanks a lot, John! ;-)
> As if I wasn't already busy enough, finishing the Snow Goose,
you
> have to tell us all about the Bantam 20-16! Wow, what a great little
> house boat! Pop top and all, 16 feet long on the trailer and 20 feet
> long in the water. Well at least it gave me an idea of how to use
up the
> eight sheets of 1/2 inch marine ply my son brought to me, the last
time
> he visited. The Snow Goose is almost ready to install the paddle
wheel,
> even though it's progress has been from slow to none, having spent
a lot
> of the summer in the hospital with congestive heart failure. My
previous
> doctor had been treating me for arthritis and high blood pressure,
but
> thanks to the Good Lord, and a new doctor, I have been given some
more
> boat building time. The Snow Goose will hit the water in the spring,
> (God willing) and already you have me looking at another boat to
build.
> Thanks, John! ;-)
> Does anyone know if the Bantam been built in the states, if so
> where, when, and by whom? I know it aint, "water ballast, and or,
> "physics" but lets talk about the Bantam.
> I would appreciate any and all thoughts as to it's pros and cons,
and
> what ya'all think about it, as a boat for the Lake of the Ozarks,
River
> running, and other protected inland waters. Any one know of a house
boat
> type, in this range that would be better? Until I saw the Bantam, I
had
> been thinking about the Micro trawler. The Bantam isn't as cute,
but,
> between it's pop top and removable bow, it sure will trailer
better.
> Stan, Micro paddle wheeler, Snow Goose (and maybe soon, builder
of a
> Bantam?)

Stan
so good to hear you write again, am excited to here how you sized your
wheel again and details of how it does. best wishes on feeling good

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Stan Muller <smuller@i...> wrote:
> Thanks a lot, John! ;-)
> As if I wasn't already busy enough, finishing the Snow Goose,
you
> have to tell us all about the Bantam 20-16! Wow, what a great little
> house boat! Pop top and all, 16 feet long on the trailer and 20 feet
> long in the water. Well at least it gave me an idea of how to use up
the
> eight sheets of 1/2 inch marine ply my son brought to me, the last
time
> he visited. The Snow Goose is almost ready to install the paddle
wheel,
> even though it's progress has been from slow to none, having spent a
lot
> of the summer in the hospital with congestive heart failure. My
previous
> doctor had been treating me for arthritis and high blood pressure,
but
> thanks to the Good Lord, and a new doctor, I have been given some
more
> boat building time. The Snow Goose will hit the water in the spring,
> (God willing) and already you have me looking at another boat to
build.
> Thanks, John! ;-)
> Does anyone know if the Bantam been built in the states, if so
> where, when, and by whom? I know it aint, "water ballast, and or,
> "physics" but lets talk about the Bantam.
> I would appreciate any and all thoughts as to it's pros and cons,
and
> what ya'all think about it, as a boat for the Lake of the Ozarks,
River
> running, and other protected inland waters. Any one know of a house
boat
> type, in this range that would be better? Until I saw the Bantam, I
had
> been thinking about the Micro trawler. The Bantam isn't as cute,
but,
> between it's pop top and removable bow, it sure will trailer better.
> Stan, Micro paddle wheeler, Snow Goose (and maybe soon, builder

Thanks a lot, John! ;-)
As if I wasn't already busy enough, finishing the Snow Goose, you
have to tell us all about the Bantam 20-16! Wow, what a great little
house boat! Pop top and all, 16 feet long on the trailer and 20 feet
long in the water. Well at least it gave me an idea of how to use up the
eight sheets of 1/2 inch marine ply my son brought to me, the last time
he visited. The Snow Goose is almost ready to install the paddle wheel,
even though it's progress has been from slow to none, having spent a lot
of the summer in the hospital with congestive heart failure. My previous
doctor had been treating me for arthritis and high blood pressure, but
thanks to the Good Lord, and a new doctor, I have been given some more
boat building time. The Snow Goose will hit the water in the spring,
(God willing) and already you have me looking at another boat to build.
Thanks, John! ;-)
Does anyone know if the Bantam been built in the states, if so
where, when, and by whom? I know it aint, "water ballast, and or,
"physics" but lets talk about the Bantam.
I would appreciate any and all thoughts as to it's pros and cons, and
what ya'all think about it, as a boat for the Lake of the Ozarks, River
running, and other protected inland waters. Any one know of a house boat
type, in this range that would be better? Until I saw the Bantam, I had
been thinking about the Micro trawler. The Bantam isn't as cute, but,
between it's pop top and removable bow, it sure will trailer better.
Stan, Micro paddle wheeler, Snow Goose (and maybe soon, builder of a
Bantam?)

I just discovered a great page about boats whose designs put "function over
form":

http://www.NauticAspect.com/

PCB drew an interesting trimaran houseboat/motor cruiser for the fellow who
put up the page (Boudewijn Binkhorst), it's called Bantam. Take a look. has
anyone heard of this one before?

--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Correlation does not imply causation; except, of course, to your cat.
<Craig O'Donnell>