Re: Romp
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
all the way, glued and nailed, than to fit and bend, scarf and
laminate 1/2" plywood planks.
That would actually be the easiest area to strip as there would be no
bevels and less fairing and sanding required.
Peter Lenihan would know - he built ELVER that way - except it had a
plywood bottom.
Nice looking boat too:-)
Nels
>To me it would be less hassle just to strip it with 1" square strips
> On 11/21/06, Hugo Tyson wrote:
> >
> > I don't think it would work, plywood topsides.
>
> Perhaps you are right. Though, what I imagine is planks from plywood,
> pehaps 8 inches wide. Staggering two layers of 1/2" to make 1 inch
> thick. I imagine that the top four feet of the hull could be planked
> this way, but lower down where it gets curvy, 1 inch square planks,
> and at the keel, even narrower.
all the way, glued and nailed, than to fit and bend, scarf and
laminate 1/2" plywood planks.
That would actually be the easiest area to strip as there would be no
bevels and less fairing and sanding required.
Peter Lenihan would know - he built ELVER that way - except it had a
plywood bottom.
Nice looking boat too:-)
Nels
On 11/21/06, Hugo Tyson wrote:
pehaps 8 inches wide. Staggering two layers of 1/2" to make 1 inch
thick. I imagine that the top four feet of the hull could be planked
this way, but lower down where it gets curvy, 1 inch square planks,
and at the keel, even narrower.
>Perhaps you are right. Though, what I imagine is planks from plywood,
> I don't think it would work, plywood topsides.
pehaps 8 inches wide. Staggering two layers of 1/2" to make 1 inch
thick. I imagine that the top four feet of the hull could be planked
this way, but lower down where it gets curvy, 1 inch square planks,
and at the keel, even narrower.
I don't think it would work, plywood topsides.
Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote: > ironclad bitch once you got to the turn of the bilge. To get from the
filling gaps asneed be with thickened epoxy. Once you get up past
that twisting area, I see that most of that hull is a simple strip
job, with plywood even planking possibly possible on the high up
areas. Perhaps I am an optimist, but I see that hull as coming
together pretty quickly, with the miracle of thickened epoxy.
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Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote: > ironclad bitch once you got to the turn of the bilge. To get from the
> flat bilge to the sharp forefoot require a lot of twist in the strips,If it were me, instead of steaming, I would have used thinner strips,
> many of which required steaming.
filling gaps asneed be with thickened epoxy. Once you get up past
that twisting area, I see that most of that hull is a simple strip
job, with plywood even planking possibly possible on the high up
areas. Perhaps I am an optimist, but I see that hull as coming
together pretty quickly, with the miracle of thickened epoxy.
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
mindless sanding as one releases the shape within.Oh boy Oh boy I look
forward to entering the sanding zone one more time when I put the
finishing touches on the outside of Windermeres' hull :-D Yessirree
and to reward mayself with cold brewskis afterward......heaven!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, no stranger to mindless states nor sanding acres worth
of stuff,from along the shores of the St.Lawrence..........
>the
> On 11/21/06, Nels wrote:
>
> > The joy of it coming together fairly quickly would be offset by
> > tedium of...I'm with Bruce! Absolutley hundreds of hours worth of completely
>
> tedium? rather
>
> ...by sculpting, smoothing and caressing that voluptuous shape.
mindless sanding as one releases the shape within.Oh boy Oh boy I look
forward to entering the sanding zone one more time when I put the
finishing touches on the outside of Windermeres' hull :-D Yessirree
and to reward mayself with cold brewskis afterward......heaven!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, no stranger to mindless states nor sanding acres worth
of stuff,from along the shores of the St.Lawrence..........
>
Google "sourceforce Freeship" and download the software so you can
view and rotate the hull with full 3D rendering. She is 30 feet long
and 8 feet wide.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeship/
view and rotate the hull with full 3D rendering. She is 30 feet long
and 8 feet wide.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeship/
On 11/21/06, Nels wrote:
...by sculpting, smoothing and caressing that voluptuous shape.
> The joy of it coming together fairly quickly would be offset by thetedium? rather
> tedium of...
...by sculpting, smoothing and caressing that voluptuous shape.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
tedium of having to sand it all fair, after filling all the chinks and
openings, then having to cover with glass, get the molds out, turn in
over and start doing the same on the interior.
It occured to me that that may be why a lot of builders cold mold over
top of the stripping. Either way, one would be mixing lots of epoxy
batches and doing lots of epoxy sanding afterwards.
Sure is a pretty boat though:-)
Nels
> If it were me, instead of steaming, I would have used thinner strips,The joy of it coming together fairly quickly would be offset by the
> filling gaps asneed be with thickened epoxy. Once you get up past
> that twisting area, I see that most of that hull is a simple strip
> job, with plywood even planking possibly possible on the high up
> areas. Perhaps I am an optimist, but I see that hull as coming
> together pretty quickly, with the miracle of thickened epoxy.
>
tedium of having to sand it all fair, after filling all the chinks and
openings, then having to cover with glass, get the molds out, turn in
over and start doing the same on the interior.
It occured to me that that may be why a lot of builders cold mold over
top of the stripping. Either way, one would be mixing lots of epoxy
batches and doing lots of epoxy sanding afterwards.
Sure is a pretty boat though:-)
Nels
Can't tell from the screen dump what size she is. At a casual glance
she looks a lot like Moccasin or LFH's Golden Ball. What software uses
.fbm?
V/R
Chris
Bruce Hallman wrote:
she looks a lot like Moccasin or LFH's Golden Ball. What software uses
.fbm?
V/R
Chris
Bruce Hallman wrote:
> Of all of Bolger's designs, Romp is simply the most pure, elegant
> sailboat. Even though it is a big boat, the simplicity of it would
> make it a relatively quick build, I think.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/RompLines.gif
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/Romp.fbm
>
>
>
> ironclad bitch once you got to the turn of the bilge. To get from theIf it were me, instead of steaming, I would have used thinner strips,
> flat bilge to the sharp forefoot require a lot of twist in the strips,
> many of which required steaming.
filling gaps asneed be with thickened epoxy. Once you get up past
that twisting area, I see that most of that hull is a simple strip
job, with plywood even planking possibly possible on the high up
areas. Perhaps I am an optimist, but I see that hull as coming
together pretty quickly, with the miracle of thickened epoxy.
The Romp is possible the last on my list of 3 boats to build.
1. windsprint for when I want to get away from the wife.
2. possibly a black skimmer for when I want to take the wife with me.
Was thinking his and hers (single handed) schooners. But knowing the
wife all to well, sometime on the maiden voyage I would hear the cry
"ramming speed" from her.
3. Romp (or possible sweet chariot... still deciding on that one) for
after I retire. To be put in the water probably only once a year
right after atlantic hurricane season is over. To sail from
Massachusetts bay down to the carribean and stay there will spring.
The wife grew up in St Croix and still has lots of friends there.
Of course, items 1 and 2 are somewhat dependent on how long she stays
a prof ar Boston Univ. They have a small fleet and she gets free
access to it, being an employee.
Steven
1. windsprint for when I want to get away from the wife.
2. possibly a black skimmer for when I want to take the wife with me.
Was thinking his and hers (single handed) schooners. But knowing the
wife all to well, sometime on the maiden voyage I would hear the cry
"ramming speed" from her.
3. Romp (or possible sweet chariot... still deciding on that one) for
after I retire. To be put in the water probably only once a year
right after atlantic hurricane season is over. To sail from
Massachusetts bay down to the carribean and stay there will spring.
The wife grew up in St Croix and still has lots of friends there.
Of course, items 1 and 2 are somewhat dependent on how long she stays
a prof ar Boston Univ. They have a small fleet and she gets free
access to it, being an employee.
Steven
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> Of all of Bolger's designs, Romp is simply the most pure, elegant
> sailboat. Even though it is a big boat, the simplicity of it would
> make it a relatively quick build, I think.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/RompLines.gif
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/Romp.fbm
>
LOL That last like says it all my friend! We build
things and why? So we can enjoy them, and when they
are pretty as well! That just adds to the enjoyment!
Blessings Krissie
--- John Bell <smallboatdesigner@...>
wrote:
To get from the flat bilge to the sharp forefoot
require a lot of twist in the strips, many of which
required steaming. When he complained to Bolger about
it, he was told in essence "yeah, but isn't she
pretty?" No argument there...
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things and why? So we can enjoy them, and when they
are pretty as well! That just adds to the enjoyment!
Blessings Krissie
--- John Bell <smallboatdesigner@...>
wrote:
To get from the flat bilge to the sharp forefoot
require a lot of twist in the strips, many of which
required steaming. When he complained to Bolger about
it, he was told in essence "yeah, but isn't she
pretty?" No argument there...
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Maybe cold-moulding would be the way to build it. With this method
it's easy enough to use narrow planks on the difficult parts towards
the ends and wider ones where there's less compound curvature.
Howard
it's easy enough to use narrow planks on the difficult parts towards
the ends and wider ones where there's less compound curvature.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@...> wrote:
>
> My father built one, and it was an absolutely tedious planking job,
which required steaming and in some sections of the bow due to the
extreme change of shape steaming and using strip planks of half the
height of the others. It is not a plywood box boat and for one man
alone to build, especially as a first big boat project it would take
about 2-3 years work, and we're not talking weekends and holidays,
but nearly full-time, including weekends boatbuilding
>
> Hugo Tyson. Hobart. Tasmania..Australia.
>
> PS. By the way she did sail quite fast and has surprised some
more "sophisticatedly rigged" boats!
>
> Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
> Of all of Bolger's designs, Romp is simply the most pure,
elegant
> sailboat. Even though it is a big boat, the simplicity of it would
> make it a relatively quick build, I think.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/RompLines.gif
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/Romp.fbm
>
>
>
>
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My father built one, and it was an absolutely tedious planking job, which required steaming and in some sections of the bow due to the extreme change of shape steaming and using strip planks of half the height of the others. It is not a plywood box boat and for one man alone to build, especially as a first big boat project it would take about 2-3 years work, and we're not talking weekends and holidays, but nearly full-time, including weekends boatbuilding
Hugo Tyson. Hobart. Tasmania..Australia.
PS. By the way she did sail quite fast and has surprised some more "sophisticatedly rigged" boats!
Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
Of all of Bolger's designs, Romp is simply the most pure, elegant
sailboat. Even though it is a big boat, the simplicity of it would
make it a relatively quick build, I think.
http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/RompLines.gif
http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/Romp.fbm
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PS. By the way she did sail quite fast and has surprised some more "sophisticatedly rigged" boats!
Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
Of all of Bolger's designs, Romp is simply the most pure, elegant
sailboat. Even though it is a big boat, the simplicity of it would
make it a relatively quick build, I think.
http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/RompLines.gif
http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/Romp.fbm
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I don't know anything about building Romp, but agree is a neat boat. In the
'80's there was one in Sausalito (San Francisco Bay). I sailed alongside
it once and it was quite fast. Later I got a chance to go aboard it as it
sat on a trailer. I spent some time down below. It was cozy with the
limited headroom, but too open for my taste as an interior to be in while
sailing. Too much open space with nothing to grab onto, but of course an
interior could be changed. Pretty neat that it could be put on a trailer
for transport. I believe it was being sold at the time.
Gary
'80's there was one in Sausalito (San Francisco Bay). I sailed alongside
it once and it was quite fast. Later I got a chance to go aboard it as it
sat on a trailer. I spent some time down below. It was cozy with the
limited headroom, but too open for my taste as an interior to be in while
sailing. Too much open space with nothing to grab onto, but of course an
interior could be changed. Pretty neat that it could be put on a trailer
for transport. I believe it was being sold at the time.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: [bolger] Romp
> Of all of Bolger's designs, Romp is simply the most pure, elegant
> sailboat. Even though it is a big boat, the simplicity of it would
> make it a relatively quick build, I think.
Before I got into boatbuilding, I used to kayak with a guy, John
Conneely, who build a Romp. He said that the strip-planked hull was an
ironclad bitch once you got to the turn of the bilge. To get from the
flat bilge to the sharp forefoot require a lot of twist in the strips,
many of which required steaming. When he complained to Bolger about it,
he was told in essence "yeah, but isn't she pretty?" No argument there...
Bruce Hallman wrote:
Conneely, who build a Romp. He said that the strip-planked hull was an
ironclad bitch once you got to the turn of the bilge. To get from the
flat bilge to the sharp forefoot require a lot of twist in the strips,
many of which required steaming. When he complained to Bolger about it,
he was told in essence "yeah, but isn't she pretty?" No argument there...
Bruce Hallman wrote:
> Of all of Bolger's designs, Romp is simply the most pure, elegant
> sailboat. Even though it is a big boat, the simplicity of it would
> make it a relatively quick build, I think.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/RompLines.gif
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/Romp.fbm
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, John Bell <smallboatdesigner@...> wrote:
extensive strong back and mold set-up no?
Nels
>there...
> Before I got into boatbuilding, I used to kayak with a guy, John
> Conneely, who build a Romp. He said that the strip-planked hull was an
> ironclad bitch once you got to the turn of the bilge. To get from the
> flat bilge to the sharp forefoot require a lot of twist in the strips,
> many of which required steaming. When he complained to Bolger about it,
> he was told in essence "yeah, but isn't she pretty?" No argument
>Romp is a beautiful big canoe shape. Probably requires a fairly
extensive strong back and mold set-up no?
Nels
Of all of Bolger's designs, Romp is simply the most pure, elegant
sailboat. Even though it is a big boat, the simplicity of it would
make it a relatively quick build, I think.
http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/RompLines.gif
http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/Romp.fbm
sailboat. Even though it is a big boat, the simplicity of it would
make it a relatively quick build, I think.
http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/RompLines.gif
http://hallman.org/bolger/romp/Romp.fbm
Hi,
I recall Phil telling me that Romp sailed through a hurricane - and emerged unscathed!
One of his favourite stories, I think . . . but also a great recommendation for the boat type.
Bill
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I recall Phil telling me that Romp sailed through a hurricane - and emerged unscathed!
One of his favourite stories, I think . . . but also a great recommendation for the boat type.
Bill
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--- In bolger@y..., pvanderw@o... wrote:
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> > Does anyone have information about this Romp or any boats
built to the design other than MAIB's article awhile back?
Peter answered...
> I enjoyed the pictures in MAIB very much. I was surprised how
elegant the small flare in the upper bow looked.
Which MAIB was this? I am a new subscriber and would like to
order the back issue. Romp, Ataraxia and the like are far too big
for me, but I have been looking at Owlet (designed as a
tender/lifeboat for Barn Owl) and would like to see more
information on the type. Owlet has elegant bows indeed.
Thanks, Vance
> DoesThe design was originally exposed in Different Boats, or was it 30-
> anyone have information about this Romp or any boats built to the
> design other than MAIB's article awhile back?
Odd Boats. Interestingly, in that original article he says that the
owner worked out the constrution. "All he bought from me was a shape
and a design for the folding mast." is what I remember. I don't know
if he has drawn up plans with a complete construction plan or not.
PCB has promised an up-coming book on his (their?) shoal draft
designs of which Manatee (Alert) and Romp would be featured. He
discussed many of the features (from a design point of view) in his
recent WoodenBoat article on shoal draft.
I enjoyed the pictures in MAIB very much. I was surprised how elegant
the small flare in the upper bow looked.
Peter
In the "Small Craft Advisor" article posted in the files, Bolger
identifies Romp as his "most seaworthy small sailboat design". Does
anyone have information about this design or any boats built to the
design other than MAIB's article awhile back?
Regards,
Tom
identifies Romp as his "most seaworthy small sailboat design". Does
anyone have information about this design or any boats built to the
design other than MAIB's article awhile back?
Regards,
Tom
Romp is design #372, which I saw in "Messing About in Boats", Nov 15, 1998,
Vol 16-Num 13.She is 30ft by 8ft, center board presto type with high sheer,
yawl rig with 315 sqft, displacing 8250 lb, including 2000 lb ballast shoe
to quote a few of specs. PCB was talking about fitting leaboards and Chinese
gaff rig but I don't know if anything came of it.
I liked the look of it and St Valary, and the old Hoyt Freedom ketches.
I bought a 21ft Freedom cat boat last spring in great shape, but which I
haven't had time to put in the water yet, so I haven't pursued any of the
afore. My house project is coming along so maybe spring is realistic. Clyde
Jeff Gilbert wrote:
Vol 16-Num 13.She is 30ft by 8ft, center board presto type with high sheer,
yawl rig with 315 sqft, displacing 8250 lb, including 2000 lb ballast shoe
to quote a few of specs. PCB was talking about fitting leaboards and Chinese
gaff rig but I don't know if anything came of it.
I liked the look of it and St Valary, and the old Hoyt Freedom ketches.
I bought a 21ft Freedom cat boat last spring in great shape, but which I
haven't had time to put in the water yet, so I haven't pursued any of the
afore. My house project is coming along so maybe spring is realistic. Clyde
Jeff Gilbert wrote:
> Clyde
> Where would I find info on Romp??
> I know nothing about it I admit.
> LWL, intended use?
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Clyde S. Wisner <clydewis@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Saint Valery
>
> St Valerie and Romp are two of my favorite round Bolgers. I wonder if he
> ever
> finished design for Romp with Chinese gaff? Clyde
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
Jeff,
There's a good write up (by Bolger himself) of Romp in _Messing About in Boats_, Volume 16, Number 13, November 15, 1998, pages 26-28.
Messing About in Boats
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From:Jeff Gilbert <jgilbert@d...>
Date:Sat Oct 28, 2000 5:54pm
Subject:Romp
Clyde
Where would I
find info on Romp??
I know nothing about it I admit.
LWL, intended
use?
Jeff
> Where would I find info on Romp??When you do see a picture of Romp, compare it carefully to the lines
> I know nothing about it I admit.
drawing. When you see how PCB got the incredible, elegant sculptured
shape in the upper bow, and you can reproduce the same sort of
effect, then you will have taken a big step toward your career goal.
When I looked at the drawings, I saw a plain sort of bow, but when I
looked at the pictures, I saw a subtle, beautiful shape. So much to
learn.
Peter
Clyde
Where would I find info on Romp??
I know nothing about it I admit.
LWL, intended use?
Jeff
Where would I find info on Romp??
I know nothing about it I admit.
LWL, intended use?
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Clyde S. Wisner <clydewis@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Saint Valery
St Valerie and Romp are two of my favorite round Bolgers. I wonder if he
ever
finished design for Romp with Chinese gaff? Clyde