[bolger] Re: Oh No! (LSx2)
I've been fooling around with interior arrangements for the galley
and think I've got something that makes allusions towards workable.
I ran the entire galley (stove, sink, icebox) down the port side and
put a bench and long table all the way along the starboard side. In
theory, the cook could rest his posterior on the port edge of the
table while flipping burgers, or more likely sauteing scallops.
The LSx2 need never have her stove lit while underway, so there's
little concern about falling into or away from the stove. She's a
sharpie crusier for between the forks, and as such will be riding at
anchor, beached, or adrift for any serious cooking, sleeping,
fighting, or making love.
On the other hand, we may be aboard for for several weeks at a time,
so creature comforts like not stooping or getting wet while making
oatmeal are desirable if not essential.
Her most essential elements are beauty and (relative) affordablity.
Bolger's instant boats score high marks in these categories. The
question is: Does it scale up? ;-)
YIBB,
David
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
and think I've got something that makes allusions towards workable.
I ran the entire galley (stove, sink, icebox) down the port side and
put a bench and long table all the way along the starboard side. In
theory, the cook could rest his posterior on the port edge of the
table while flipping burgers, or more likely sauteing scallops.
The LSx2 need never have her stove lit while underway, so there's
little concern about falling into or away from the stove. She's a
sharpie crusier for between the forks, and as such will be riding at
anchor, beached, or adrift for any serious cooking, sleeping,
fighting, or making love.
On the other hand, we may be aboard for for several weeks at a time,
so creature comforts like not stooping or getting wet while making
oatmeal are desirable if not essential.
Her most essential elements are beauty and (relative) affordablity.
Bolger's instant boats score high marks in these categories. The
question is: Does it scale up? ;-)
YIBB,
David
>I don't think that the lack of standing headroom is too great aCRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
>tragedy. You are lowering the CG, and also lessing the exposure to
>the wind. 2 elements which will add far more pleasure to an
>afternoons sail than flipping a hamburger while trying to keep from
>falling away from or into the stove, depending on what tack you are
>on. With the increase in speed, you might even get to a good
>restaurant in time for the early-bird specials! ;-)
> In the meantime, be on the lookout for a shorter cook. . .the
>worst boat I owned in terms of sailing ability was a real dog to
>windward, and the best sailing boat I have owned was horrible in terms
>of shelter and creature comforts. Striking a compromise between the
>two is what has kept designers in business.
>
>David Jost
> "celebrating my last Saturday teaching assignment for a few weeks.
>(can you tell)"
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing
>- stay on topic
>- use punctuation
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
I don't think that the lack of standing headroom is too great a
tragedy. You are lowering the CG, and also lessing the exposure to
the wind. 2 elements which will add far more pleasure to an
afternoons sail than flipping a hamburger while trying to keep from
falling away from or into the stove, depending on what tack you are
on. With the increase in speed, you might even get to a good
restaurant in time for the early-bird specials! ;-)
In the meantime, be on the lookout for a shorter cook. . .the
worst boat I owned in terms of sailing ability was a real dog to
windward, and the best sailing boat I have owned was horrible in terms
of shelter and creature comforts. Striking a compromise between the
two is what has kept designers in business.
David Jost
"celebrating my last Saturday teaching assignment for a few weeks.
(can you tell)"
tragedy. You are lowering the CG, and also lessing the exposure to
the wind. 2 elements which will add far more pleasure to an
afternoons sail than flipping a hamburger while trying to keep from
falling away from or into the stove, depending on what tack you are
on. With the increase in speed, you might even get to a good
restaurant in time for the early-bird specials! ;-)
In the meantime, be on the lookout for a shorter cook. . .the
worst boat I owned in terms of sailing ability was a real dog to
windward, and the best sailing boat I have owned was horrible in terms
of shelter and creature comforts. Striking a compromise between the
two is what has kept designers in business.
David Jost
"celebrating my last Saturday teaching assignment for a few weeks.
(can you tell)"
> David Ryan wrote:;-)
> > Tragedy has struck the LSx2 (LS^3?)! I figured out how to properly
> > scale my drawing, and my aft deckhouse is too short to stand while
> > cooking.
>
> Could you use a popup? Then it would only look ugly when you are cooking
>Or just stand in an open hatch like sailors are supposed to.
Chuck
my aft deckhouse is too short to stand while
Note that neither Manatee nor the Terrapin 34 have standing headroom.
Peter
> > > cooking.As William Garden said, "Standing is done on deck."
Note that neither Manatee nor the Terrapin 34 have standing headroom.
Peter
All good suggestions, save one thing: To me, the genius of the
scooner, and many of the other instant boats, is that they get such
an unbelievably beautiful line from such simple The LSx2 is designed
around a 2:1 scale up of the Light Scooner. Once we start messing
with the shear, then we start relying on my cleverness and aesthetics
rather than Bolger. There is room on the six sheets of plywood for a
little fiddling (about 8 inches forward and 6 inches aft), but once
you start doing that you've got to mess with the bulkhead and who
knows what else.
I did envision a hatch right over the cooking station and imagined it
would be open when the weather is fair. But when the weather is fair,
the Colman could be brought on deck. A three season boat need a warm,
dry place to cook.
YIBB,
David
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
scooner, and many of the other instant boats, is that they get such
an unbelievably beautiful line from such simple The LSx2 is designed
around a 2:1 scale up of the Light Scooner. Once we start messing
with the shear, then we start relying on my cleverness and aesthetics
rather than Bolger. There is room on the six sheets of plywood for a
little fiddling (about 8 inches forward and 6 inches aft), but once
you start doing that you've got to mess with the bulkhead and who
knows what else.
I did envision a hatch right over the cooking station and imagined it
would be open when the weather is fair. But when the weather is fair,
the Colman could be brought on deck. A three season boat need a warm,
dry place to cook.
YIBB,
David
>A lot of schooners balance a curved sheer, and raised bowCRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
> by kicking up aft into a bit of a poop deck.
>This means raising the sheer at
>the stern to hide the new deckhouse elevation, and at the same time
>raising the wheel/cockpit to see over it.
>The drawing looks real nice, worth persuing.
>The other way is to keep it real narrow and pick up a bit of depth below the
>waterline.
>Whats the projected beam and displacement on it?
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
David.
A lot of schooners balance a curved sheer, and raised bow
by kicking up aft into a bit of a poop deck.
This means raising the sheer at
the stern to hide the new deckhouse elevation, and at the same time
raising the wheel/cockpit to see over it.
The drawing looks real nice, worth persuing.
The other way is to keep it real narrow and pick up a bit of depth below the
waterline.
Whats the projected beam and displacement on it?
Jeff
A lot of schooners balance a curved sheer, and raised bow
by kicking up aft into a bit of a poop deck.
This means raising the sheer at
the stern to hide the new deckhouse elevation, and at the same time
raising the wheel/cockpit to see over it.
The drawing looks real nice, worth persuing.
The other way is to keep it real narrow and pick up a bit of depth below the
waterline.
Whats the projected beam and displacement on it?
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: David Ryan <david@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 1:33 PM
Subject: [bolger] Oh No! (LSx2)
FBBB --
Tragedy has struck the LSx2 (LS^3?)! I figured out how to properly
scale my drawing, and my aft deckhouse is too short to stand while
cooking.
I have an interior plan that allows the cook to use the table as a
leaning rest, (or makes the cook feel penned in,) but even with a
lean, I think the house is too short. Raising it makes the boat
abominably ugly.
Boat design is hard work.
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
David
Headroom in sharpie hulls sure is hard work,
no gains below the WL.
Even Centennial, Brewers beautiful 34ft
leeboard sharpie-Ketch only gets 5' 9" in the galley, 5ft elsewhere.
Mystic, his other beaut is 32 ft long, has about 4' 6".
Jeff
Headroom in sharpie hulls sure is hard work,
no gains below the WL.
Even Centennial, Brewers beautiful 34ft
leeboard sharpie-Ketch only gets 5' 9" in the galley, 5ft elsewhere.
Mystic, his other beaut is 32 ft long, has about 4' 6".
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: David Ryan <david@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 1:33 PM
Subject: [bolger] Oh No! (LSx2)
FBBB --
Tragedy has struck the LSx2 (LS^3?)! I figured out how to properly
scale my drawing, and my aft deckhouse is too short to stand while
cooking.
I have an interior plan that allows the cook to use the table as a
leaning rest, (or makes the cook feel penned in,) but even with a
lean, I think the house is too short. Raising it makes the boat
abominably ugly.
Boat design is hard work.
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
David Ryan wrote:
BruceF
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> Tragedy has struck the LSx2 (LS^3?)! I figured out how to properlyCould you use a popup? Then it would only look ugly when you are cooking ;-)
> scale my drawing, and my aft deckhouse is too short to stand while
> cooking.
BruceF
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FBBB --
Tragedy has struck the LSx2 (LS^3?)! I figured out how to properly
scale my drawing, and my aft deckhouse is too short to stand while
cooking.
I have an interior plan that allows the cook to use the table as a
leaning rest, (or makes the cook feel penned in,) but even with a
lean, I think the house is too short. Raising it makes the boat
abominably ugly.
Boat design is hard work.
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
Tragedy has struck the LSx2 (LS^3?)! I figured out how to properly
scale my drawing, and my aft deckhouse is too short to stand while
cooking.
I have an interior plan that allows the cook to use the table as a
leaning rest, (or makes the cook feel penned in,) but even with a
lean, I think the house is too short. Raising it makes the boat
abominably ugly.
Boat design is hard work.
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636