Re: Gypsy vs Cartopper
You can look at plans for both Gypsy and Cartopper, as well as a lot
of other Bolger Boats at Harold Payson's site at
http://www.instantboats.com/boats.htmlCartopper is also covered
in "Boats With an Open Mind". I built a Gypsy quite a while ago, and
I'm currently building a highly modified Cartopper (so highly, in
fact, that it's probably a completely different boat). They're very
much the same boat in different lengths. Both are similar to taped-
seam versions of dory skiffs, or perhaps round-sided Swampscott
dories, not at all like whitehall boats. Both are very pretty indeed
on the water, Gypsy more so. Gypsy has a daggerboard and Cartopper
has a small centerboard very far forward, with a lot of the lateral
plane being in the rudder - only of interest if you're sailing.
Cartopper has an . .um . . interesting arrangement for seating (easy
to change, however), Gypsy is more conventional.
My experience is that Gypsy is very easy and pleasant to row, but
desperately needs a skeg for reasonable directional stability under
oars (Cartopper, a later design, has one). The arrangements of the
seats doesn't work for more than one person in the boat while
rowing. If you were to build a rowing-only version without the CB
trunk there would be a lot more room, and freedom for other seating
arrangements. I've only sailed a Cartopper, never rowed one, and it
handles very much like a shorter version of the same boat - it has a
little more freeboard, doesn't seem so low in the water. I like them
both very much.
You might also consider the "Spur II" a glued-lapstrake rowing boat,
also in "Boats With an Open Mind". Rowing only, very nice, sort of
whitehall-like. I've come to much prefer glued-lapstrake
construction over taped seam, since I HATE sanding.
of other Bolger Boats at Harold Payson's site at
http://www.instantboats.com/boats.htmlCartopper is also covered
in "Boats With an Open Mind". I built a Gypsy quite a while ago, and
I'm currently building a highly modified Cartopper (so highly, in
fact, that it's probably a completely different boat). They're very
much the same boat in different lengths. Both are similar to taped-
seam versions of dory skiffs, or perhaps round-sided Swampscott
dories, not at all like whitehall boats. Both are very pretty indeed
on the water, Gypsy more so. Gypsy has a daggerboard and Cartopper
has a small centerboard very far forward, with a lot of the lateral
plane being in the rudder - only of interest if you're sailing.
Cartopper has an . .um . . interesting arrangement for seating (easy
to change, however), Gypsy is more conventional.
My experience is that Gypsy is very easy and pleasant to row, but
desperately needs a skeg for reasonable directional stability under
oars (Cartopper, a later design, has one). The arrangements of the
seats doesn't work for more than one person in the boat while
rowing. If you were to build a rowing-only version without the CB
trunk there would be a lot more room, and freedom for other seating
arrangements. I've only sailed a Cartopper, never rowed one, and it
handles very much like a shorter version of the same boat - it has a
little more freeboard, doesn't seem so low in the water. I like them
both very much.
You might also consider the "Spur II" a glued-lapstrake rowing boat,
also in "Boats With an Open Mind". Rowing only, very nice, sort of
whitehall-like. I've come to much prefer glued-lapstrake
construction over taped seam, since I HATE sanding.
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Ron Magen <quahog@b...> wrote:
. . .
> My question to the Group is . . . has anyone built Cartopper? Hull
Form
> compared to Gypsy? Post a copy of the one-sheet 'review' plans?
Rowing
> Experiences? [I already know she won't have the 'carry' that the
longer
> Gypsy will]
>
> Thanks in Advance,
> Ron Magen
Ron,
As pulling boats, consider the Glouster Gull, or it's less windage nephew,
the Michalak Sport Dory. (However, neither of these wants a sail.)
Jim
Ron Magen wrote:
As pulling boats, consider the Glouster Gull, or it's less windage nephew,
the Michalak Sport Dory. (However, neither of these wants a sail.)
Jim
Ron Magen wrote:
> Boatbuilders,
> I've built a couple of Bolger designs already, so I'm not new at this
> but I do like the input from questions 'thrown out to the crowd'.
>
> It's starting to get chilly, and I've got the Potters covered for their
> winter 'refurbishment's'. While I work on them, and have the tools
> 'warmed up' I like to build a wooded boat . . . at least that's the
> story I try to sell to my wife!
>
> Beside needing the exercise, I've always liked the looks of a 'pulling
> boat'. Gypsy seems to be a 'modern' version of a Whitehall. HOWEVER,
> {and there always is one}, she's a bit long for my particular set of
> circumstances. I have a penciled note in my copy of, "Building the New
> Instant Boats" {probably from a conversation with Dynamite} that
> 'Cartopper = lighter'. I don't have anything on 'Cartopper' other than
> her length - 12 feet {vs the 15 feet of Gypsy}
>
> My question to the Group is . . . has anyone built Cartopper? Hull Form
> compared to Gypsy? Post a copy of the one-sheet 'review' plans? Rowing
> Experiences? [I already know she won't have the 'carry' that the longer
> Gypsy will]
>
> Thanks in Advance,
> Ron Magen
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
Boatbuilders,
I've built a couple of Bolger designs already, so I'm not new at this
but I do like the input from questions 'thrown out to the crowd'.
It's starting to get chilly, and I've got the Potters covered for their
winter 'refurbishment's'. While I work on them, and have the tools
'warmed up' I like to build a wooded boat . . . at least that's the
story I try to sell to my wife!
Beside needing the exercise, I've always liked the looks of a 'pulling
boat'. Gypsy seems to be a 'modern' version of a Whitehall. HOWEVER,
{and there always is one}, she's a bit long for my particular set of
circumstances. I have a penciled note in my copy of, "Building the New
Instant Boats" {probably from a conversation with Dynamite} that
'Cartopper = lighter'. I don't have anything on 'Cartopper' other than
her length - 12 feet {vs the 15 feet of Gypsy}
My question to the Group is . . . has anyone built Cartopper? Hull Form
compared to Gypsy? Post a copy of the one-sheet 'review' plans? Rowing
Experiences? [I already know she won't have the 'carry' that the longer
Gypsy will]
Thanks in Advance,
Ron Magen
I've built a couple of Bolger designs already, so I'm not new at this
but I do like the input from questions 'thrown out to the crowd'.
It's starting to get chilly, and I've got the Potters covered for their
winter 'refurbishment's'. While I work on them, and have the tools
'warmed up' I like to build a wooded boat . . . at least that's the
story I try to sell to my wife!
Beside needing the exercise, I've always liked the looks of a 'pulling
boat'. Gypsy seems to be a 'modern' version of a Whitehall. HOWEVER,
{and there always is one}, she's a bit long for my particular set of
circumstances. I have a penciled note in my copy of, "Building the New
Instant Boats" {probably from a conversation with Dynamite} that
'Cartopper = lighter'. I don't have anything on 'Cartopper' other than
her length - 12 feet {vs the 15 feet of Gypsy}
My question to the Group is . . . has anyone built Cartopper? Hull Form
compared to Gypsy? Post a copy of the one-sheet 'review' plans? Rowing
Experiences? [I already know she won't have the 'carry' that the longer
Gypsy will]
Thanks in Advance,
Ron Magen