Re: Pulling Boats
June Bug was designed by Phil for his own use as a heavy-duty tender to
replace a worn-out dory. While you wouldn't have the easy rough water
motion with June Bug, you would have, in Phil's words, "1000 pounds
capacity in quiet conditions, good lines for rowing with up to a 400
pound load, and an empty weight under 100 pounds."
For solo cruising, those numbers sound just about right, with the
ability to take a couple of folks with you for a tour of the pond or
harbor. Plus, you CAN put a sail on it if you want to!
You could leave out the front seat, or make it removeable (there is
already a bulkhead under it) for some extra storage space for your
light stuff. A small, low spray hood to keep things dry up front, a
cooler, some extra oars and locks, hmmm....
BTW, if I were build my June Bug, "Polliwog," over again, I would still
use a (much stiffer than the stock 1/4 inch) 3/8 inch bottom, which
allows me to get away with only the center skid. I would use external
chine logs next time, though, as my notching was prettys sloppy,
slowing me down and resulting in a poor fit.
I would also put in very light bulkheads to retain the foam under the
end decks (mine already came off aft, the foam sheared at the glue
line) and let you use simpler floatation, like packing peanuts or
bubble wrap stuffed in a doubled, heavy-duty garbage bag. I don't want
to work with expanded polystyrene foam again--there are still little
bubbles of it outside the workshop!
Regards,
Matthew "still haven't been able to work on Polliwog" Long :-(
Saint-Priest, France
replace a worn-out dory. While you wouldn't have the easy rough water
motion with June Bug, you would have, in Phil's words, "1000 pounds
capacity in quiet conditions, good lines for rowing with up to a 400
pound load, and an empty weight under 100 pounds."
For solo cruising, those numbers sound just about right, with the
ability to take a couple of folks with you for a tour of the pond or
harbor. Plus, you CAN put a sail on it if you want to!
You could leave out the front seat, or make it removeable (there is
already a bulkhead under it) for some extra storage space for your
light stuff. A small, low spray hood to keep things dry up front, a
cooler, some extra oars and locks, hmmm....
BTW, if I were build my June Bug, "Polliwog," over again, I would still
use a (much stiffer than the stock 1/4 inch) 3/8 inch bottom, which
allows me to get away with only the center skid. I would use external
chine logs next time, though, as my notching was prettys sloppy,
slowing me down and resulting in a poor fit.
I would also put in very light bulkheads to retain the foam under the
end decks (mine already came off aft, the foam sheared at the glue
line) and let you use simpler floatation, like packing peanuts or
bubble wrap stuffed in a doubled, heavy-duty garbage bag. I don't want
to work with expanded polystyrene foam again--there are still little
bubbles of it outside the workshop!
Regards,
Matthew "still haven't been able to work on Polliwog" Long :-(
Saint-Priest, France
> Can you describe Crystal's hull shape and construction method?Crystal is 15'6" x 3' 6". v-bottom, ply-planked. Not stitch and
glue. I think she would have to be build over rigid molds (rather
than 'instant' boat fashion), but I am not really a boatbuilder.
There are two layouts: the original has enclosed seats for plenty of
flotation has a lifeboat. The second is open for lighter weight. In
the plan for the second, I see 9 frames.
She has steep deadrise with the chine just skimming the surface
midships. The conic projection of the planking is a non-standard one
that Bolger uses to get a long straight keel and plenty of
displacement in the ends.
Peter
Crystal from "Different Boats" (eat your heart out Craig O'Donnel, I have a
copy) is designed as a modern version of the old working rowboats like
Whitehall's. Mr. Bolger used his as a tender/ life boat on his Resolution.
The design is 15'6 long and designed to row well in rough weather. Bolger's
boat was completely decked except for the rowing area, as befitted it's
lifeboat role, and came in at 150lbs. The design could also be built
undecked and be a lot lighter. (Is an undecked boat what vampires row)? He
states that anybody who can row can easily get 7 miles in two hours in her.
I have always thought it would make a great rowing camp cruiser.
I have also thought that the Gypsy would row well for a fast sailing boat.
Unless others have something to report, you are going to have to wait until
next spring for an evaluation report and a comparison between the Cartopper
and the Gypsy from the Funk and James boat building co-op.
HJ
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copy) is designed as a modern version of the old working rowboats like
Whitehall's. Mr. Bolger used his as a tender/ life boat on his Resolution.
The design is 15'6 long and designed to row well in rough weather. Bolger's
boat was completely decked except for the rowing area, as befitted it's
lifeboat role, and came in at 150lbs. The design could also be built
undecked and be a lot lighter. (Is an undecked boat what vampires row)? He
states that anybody who can row can easily get 7 miles in two hours in her.
I have always thought it would make a great rowing camp cruiser.
I have also thought that the Gypsy would row well for a fast sailing boat.
Unless others have something to report, you are going to have to wait until
next spring for an evaluation report and a comparison between the Cartopper
and the Gypsy from the Funk and James boat building co-op.
HJ
> An interesting part of the book concerns--
> John Garber who made a row/sail trip along the Maine coast in a Gypsy
> (he provided some details in an article that appeared in SBJ) and a
> later boat that he designed with assistance from PCB. The latter,
> named Pogy, was a pure fixed seat pulling boat designed to "go to
> weather in a heavy chop" something Gypsy had trouble with: "...she
> just pounded away and didn't make much progress." Conversely
> Pogy "...in heavy chop and 25 to 35 knots she only came out of the
> water once and she came down soft."
>
> The question here is, what sorts of experiences have people had with
> Bolger boats (Gypsy, Gloucester Gull Dory, etc.) when used as solo
> fixed-seat cruising boats? And, any experiences with similar boats
> from other designers (Michalak's rowboats like the Roar and so forth
> come to mind)? At some point I'd like to build an attractive ply boat
> that would be good for this sort of thing.
>
> Steve Hansen
>
>
>
> these are Bolger boats: the Gypsy (mentioned frequently here) and a
>
>
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--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Harry W. James" <welshman@p...> wrote:
Can you describe Crystal's hull shape and construction method?
Steve Hansen
> Crystal from "Different Boats" (eat your heart out Craig O'Donnel,Harry,
>I have a copy) is designed as a modern version of the old working
>rowboats like Whitehall's.
Can you describe Crystal's hull shape and construction method?
Steve Hansen
Cliff,
Initially tender:
In the case of a dory, it has a narrow bottom, but the sides flare out
so that it is much wider at the sheer. Since the bottom is so narrow,
it is quite tippy until it tips far enough that the buoyancy of the
flared sides resists further tipping.
In the case of a narrow sailboat with a keel, it heels easily until the
weight of the keel is some horizontal distance from the center of
buoyancy where it begins to exert more righting moment (leverage).
Vince Chew
Initially tender:
In the case of a dory, it has a narrow bottom, but the sides flare out
so that it is much wider at the sheer. Since the bottom is so narrow,
it is quite tippy until it tips far enough that the buoyancy of the
flared sides resists further tipping.
In the case of a narrow sailboat with a keel, it heels easily until the
weight of the keel is some horizontal distance from the center of
buoyancy where it begins to exert more righting moment (leverage).
Vince Chew
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, cliff25@w... wrote:
> Twice in the last day someone has used the expression, "tender
> initially." Can someone explain what that means, please?
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, cliff25@w... wrote:
tips very easily with and addition or shift of live weight. it is then
expected and hoped that it will stiffen to stop tilting to one side or
the other before it capsizes a flat botttomed boat with shallow
draft if often very skittish untill one chime starts to lift clear of
the water and then it suddenly takes much more effort to increase the
listing any more
j
> Twice in the last day someone has used the expression, "tenderwhen the boat is level ie before you or other passangers get in it it
> initially." Can someone explain what that means, please?
>
tips very easily with and addition or shift of live weight. it is then
expected and hoped that it will stiffen to stop tilting to one side or
the other before it capsizes a flat botttomed boat with shallow
draft if often very skittish untill one chime starts to lift clear of
the water and then it suddenly takes much more effort to increase the
listing any more
j
"Tender initially" means to me that it feels tippy when you step in or try
and stand up. If you do try and put the gunwale under deliberately however
you find that it is much more difficult to do - "high ultimate stability".
These dories are not good for sailing however and Bolger specifically warns
against sailing them, a sentiment to which I agree.
I don't have any dinghy sailing experience but would think that Sweet Pea,
Cartopper or Gypsy would have a nice bouyant sailing action.
Foster Price
and stand up. If you do try and put the gunwale under deliberately however
you find that it is much more difficult to do - "high ultimate stability".
These dories are not good for sailing however and Bolger specifically warns
against sailing them, a sentiment to which I agree.
I don't have any dinghy sailing experience but would think that Sweet Pea,
Cartopper or Gypsy would have a nice bouyant sailing action.
Foster Price
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> Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2000 15:32
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Pulling Boats
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>
> Twice in the last day someone has used the expression, "tender
> initially." Can someone explain what that means, please?
>
> Also, is there a small sailer in the Bolger book that rides
> the waves as
> well as Mr. Price's dory?
>
> Cliff
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Twice in the last day someone has used the expression, "tender
initially." Can someone explain what that means, please?
Also, is there a small sailer in the Bolger book that rides the waves as
well as Mr. Price's dory?
Cliff
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initially." Can someone explain what that means, please?
Also, is there a small sailer in the Bolger book that rides the waves as
well as Mr. Price's dory?
Cliff
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Hello Guys
Several years ago I built a John Welsford "Surf" dory, which is a very
slightly brawnier version of Bolgers Gull (a copy for all intents and
purposes)which I rowed in the open ocean (not quite out of sight of land)
but enough to put the fear of god into my wife waiting onshore (and being
honest, my own anxiety levels were high on more than one occasion).
I never went out in a lot of wind as I could have ended up being the first
person to cross the Southern Pacific under oars (involuntarily) given that
this was the east coast of New Zealand! I did have her out in some huge
swells 3 - 4 metres (thats 10 - 14 feet) and she was great. Even beam on it
was marvelous to watch the swells pass under the boat as she "rode like a
gull". Note that we are talking about swells, not a chop. In surf she was
good also but I never took any liberties like getting beam on.
These dories are astonishing to row as they go through the water like magic.
I always wonder how a boat so simple could go so well. The penalty is that
they are very tippy to anyone used to a dinghy. If your background is
kayaks or shells then you'll find it fine as they are only tender initially.
Foster Price
Several years ago I built a John Welsford "Surf" dory, which is a very
slightly brawnier version of Bolgers Gull (a copy for all intents and
purposes)which I rowed in the open ocean (not quite out of sight of land)
but enough to put the fear of god into my wife waiting onshore (and being
honest, my own anxiety levels were high on more than one occasion).
I never went out in a lot of wind as I could have ended up being the first
person to cross the Southern Pacific under oars (involuntarily) given that
this was the east coast of New Zealand! I did have her out in some huge
swells 3 - 4 metres (thats 10 - 14 feet) and she was great. Even beam on it
was marvelous to watch the swells pass under the boat as she "rode like a
gull". Note that we are talking about swells, not a chop. In surf she was
good also but I never took any liberties like getting beam on.
These dories are astonishing to row as they go through the water like magic.
I always wonder how a boat so simple could go so well. The penalty is that
they are very tippy to anyone used to a dinghy. If your background is
kayaks or shells then you'll find it fine as they are only tender initially.
Foster Price
> -----Original Message-----
> From:shansen@...[mailto:shansen@...]
>
> The question here is, what sorts of experiences have people had with
> Bolger boats (Gypsy, Gloucester Gull Dory, etc.) when used as solo
> fixed-seat cruising boats? And, any experiences with similar boats
> from other designers (Michalak's rowboats like the Roar and so forth
> come to mind)? At some point I'd like to build an attractive ply boat
> that would be good for this sort of thing.
>
> Steve Hansen
>
>
>
> these are Bolger boats: the Gypsy (mentioned frequently here) and a
>
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The book "Long Strokes" by Bruce C. Brown (International Marine,
1988) describes several open water row boats including some that are
suitable for solo cruising. An interesting part of the book concerns
John Garber who made a row/sail trip along the Maine coast in a Gypsy
(he provided some details in an article that appeared in SBJ) and a
later boat that he designed with assistance from PCB. The latter,
named Pogy, was a pure fixed seat pulling boat designed to "go to
weather in a heavy chop" something Gypsy had trouble with: "...she
just pounded away and didn't make much progress." Conversely
Pogy "...in heavy chop and 25 to 35 knots she only came out of the
water once and she came down soft."
The question here is, what sorts of experiences have people had with
Bolger boats (Gypsy, Gloucester Gull Dory, etc.) when used as solo
fixed-seat cruising boats? And, any experiences with similar boats
from other designers (Michalak's rowboats like the Roar and so forth
come to mind)? At some point I'd like to build an attractive ply boat
that would be good for this sort of thing.
Steve Hansen
these are Bolger boats: the Gypsy (mentioned frequently here) and a
1988) describes several open water row boats including some that are
suitable for solo cruising. An interesting part of the book concerns
John Garber who made a row/sail trip along the Maine coast in a Gypsy
(he provided some details in an article that appeared in SBJ) and a
later boat that he designed with assistance from PCB. The latter,
named Pogy, was a pure fixed seat pulling boat designed to "go to
weather in a heavy chop" something Gypsy had trouble with: "...she
just pounded away and didn't make much progress." Conversely
Pogy "...in heavy chop and 25 to 35 knots she only came out of the
water once and she came down soft."
The question here is, what sorts of experiences have people had with
Bolger boats (Gypsy, Gloucester Gull Dory, etc.) when used as solo
fixed-seat cruising boats? And, any experiences with similar boats
from other designers (Michalak's rowboats like the Roar and so forth
come to mind)? At some point I'd like to build an attractive ply boat
that would be good for this sort of thing.
Steve Hansen
these are Bolger boats: the Gypsy (mentioned frequently here) and a