Re: [bolger] Breakdown Schooner
I like that boat too! The original was built in southern B.C.. Quick and
dirty. tarp sails and an old 20 hp motor. Everyone said it was fast and
comfortable. Original owner sold it to a livaboard.
That's the Georgia Straits and seas can really build up there. Opposing
wind and tide. Great sailing
4 guys could form a conglomerate and build one piece each and the forth
the sail rig and outboard(lights and electrical)......could build it in
a month or two
One piece boat would be a quicker build BUT with three moves you could
store a 40 ftr in you yard That's a lot of winter storage $$$ Hull speed
8.5 knots. Pretty easy to make un-sinkable.
David wrote:
dirty. tarp sails and an old 20 hp motor. Everyone said it was fast and
comfortable. Original owner sold it to a livaboard.
That's the Georgia Straits and seas can really build up there. Opposing
wind and tide. Great sailing
4 guys could form a conglomerate and build one piece each and the forth
the sail rig and outboard(lights and electrical)......could build it in
a month or two
One piece boat would be a quicker build BUT with three moves you could
store a 40 ftr in you yard That's a lot of winter storage $$$ Hull speed
8.5 knots. Pretty easy to make un-sinkable.
David wrote:
>
> The breakdown schooner itself fascinates me as a vessel as well as the
> concept of being broken down. In actual fact, even in a non-breakdown
> format, I consider it an interesting proposal with the central cockpit
> and separate quarters fore and aft. It seems to me like a variation on
> the Bolger AS line using water ballast for a 40+ ft boat with the
> benefits (and problems) of the schooner rig.
>
> Does anyone know of a breakdown schooner other than the original one
> described in BWAOM?
>
> Does anyone know what happened to the original?
>
> David
>
>
The breakdown schooner itself fascinates me as a vessel as well as the concept of being broken down. In actual fact, even in a non-breakdown format, I consider it an interesting proposal with the central cockpit and separate quarters fore and aft. It seems to me like a variation on the Bolger AS line using water ballast for a 40+ ft boat with the benefits (and problems) of the schooner rig.
Does anyone know of a breakdown schooner other than the original one described in BWAOM?
Does anyone know what happened to the original?
David
Does anyone know of a breakdown schooner other than the original one described in BWAOM?
Does anyone know what happened to the original?
David
> I would like to know about this boat and any possible problems orThe chief problem with the design is that there's a better one
> difficulties with them.That is either while building it or sailing it.
available now (or, hopefully, soon at least): the Insolent 60, which
folds up for transport in a single trip. My other reservation about
her is that she needs to be hauled in three pieces, but there's only
berth space for two couples. If I were building one, I'd consider
converting the bow well into a forward v-berth, and I think I'd try to
work out a way to reinforce the latching mechanism between the three
hulls; what's there at the moment seems a bit flimsy.
> Also has anyone ever built one so that it does not break down?I've never heard of any Breakdown Schooner launches other than the
original _Saghali_.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
I would like to know about this boat and any possible problems or
difficulties with them.That is either while building it or sailing it.
Also has anyone ever built one so that it does not break down?
Has Phil ever done any modifications for this?
difficulties with them.That is either while building it or sailing it.
Also has anyone ever built one so that it does not break down?
Has Phil ever done any modifications for this?
Any one have experience with the Breakdown Schooner?
# 60 in BWOM
Any chance of single hand sailing her? It looks as if the sheets
could be lead to the aft cabin, just handling the wheel and two or
three sheets at the same time seem unlikely.
Maybe with a self tending jib the main and fore sail could be pulled
near centerline before the wheel was put over. Any thoughts?
Any un-used plans that might be for sale?
David Davis
# 60 in BWOM
Any chance of single hand sailing her? It looks as if the sheets
could be lead to the aft cabin, just handling the wheel and two or
three sheets at the same time seem unlikely.
Maybe with a self tending jib the main and fore sail could be pulled
near centerline before the wheel was put over. Any thoughts?
Any un-used plans that might be for sale?
David Davis
PCB sent me a copy of the article when I inquired. I was looking for something I could sail and also
motor for a fishing boat on the Ches Bay. In the meantime I got a really good buy on a Freedom 21 cat
boat which is fortunate because I've been building a house for two years now. By spring I hope to get
back to okume and epoxy. Clyde
Mark Albanese wrote:
motor for a fishing boat on the Ches Bay. In the meantime I got a really good buy on a Freedom 21 cat
boat which is fortunate because I've been building a house for two years now. By spring I hope to get
back to okume and epoxy. Clyde
Mark Albanese wrote:
> Clyde,
>
> Yes! Fast Motor Sailor ( Light ) is in probably in the
> category of, "All the cruising boat most people ever need."
> Do you have the SBJ cartoon?
>
> Mark
>
> "Clyde S. Wisner" wrote:
> >
> > the original Fast Motor Sailer
> > has always been of interest to me. A
> > lenghtened and wider Diablo it appears. Clyde
>
>
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Clyde,
Yes! Fast Motor Sailor ( Light ) is in probably in the
category of, "All the cruising boat most people ever need."
Do you have the SBJ cartoon?
Mark
"Clyde S. Wisner" wrote:
Yes! Fast Motor Sailor ( Light ) is in probably in the
category of, "All the cruising boat most people ever need."
Do you have the SBJ cartoon?
Mark
"Clyde S. Wisner" wrote:
>
> the original Fast Motor Sailer
> has always been of interest to me. A
> lenghtened and wider Diablo it appears. Clyde
Thanks for this posting, the orriginal Fast Motor Sailer has always been of interest to me. A
lenghtened and wider Diablo it appears. Clyde
Mark Albanese wrote:
lenghtened and wider Diablo it appears. Clyde
Mark Albanese wrote:
> There's a whole photo album of Bill McKibben's Bolger boats,
> including "Saghali", the water ballasted 46 footer. Drawings
> are apparently in BWOM.
>
>http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Page.html
>
> Mark
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - pls take "personals" off-list, stay on topic, and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts, snip all you like
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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There's a whole photo album of Bill McKibben's Bolger boats,
including "Saghali", the water ballasted 46 footer. Drawings
are apparently in BWOM.
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Page.html
Mark
including "Saghali", the water ballasted 46 footer. Drawings
are apparently in BWOM.
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Page.html
Mark
David,
Do not know if one exists but have you seen Phil Bolgers RONDO
II design or even his BLACK GAUNTLET?Perhaps a tiny pilot house could
be added to give you standing room to rustle up a meal or pull your
drawers up.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Micro"LESTAT"
Do not know if one exists but have you seen Phil Bolgers RONDO
II design or even his BLACK GAUNTLET?Perhaps a tiny pilot house could
be added to give you standing room to rustle up a meal or pull your
drawers up.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Micro"LESTAT"
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> FBBB --
>
> Does anyone know if a non-breakdown version of the break-down
> schooner has ever been built?
>
> My gut tells me you'd have to get something in exchange for giving
up
> the breakdown aspect. Does such a beast exist?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> A Teal called lil'winnie
> A Light Scooner called Margaret Ellen
--- Chuck Leinweber <chuck@...>
wrote:
where I believe it is being considered.
If it is more than 8 ft wide you need a overwidth
permit. No big deal. If it is too tall on hte
trailer, Which I believe is 13.5 ft, due to 14ft
overpasses, You might have to deal with special routes
and have the power company drop power lines to allow
you to pass. A real expensive proposition for each
move.
You can move houses on trailes but they only move once
a new location. Sometimes it's cheaper to move the
boat on water.
I don't know all of the answers as I don't know all of
the specific info. I don't need to.
If you can trtailer such a rig in the bredth and scope
of a semi, All you need is the tractor and the lowboy
trailer to do so.
It might be more ridged if built as one piece but is
there a saving grace in floation with three sections?
Roger
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> At almost 50 ft. wouldn't you give up legalYou can trailer a 50 foot boat in hte US, which is
> trailerability? In BWAOM,
where I believe it is being considered.
If it is more than 8 ft wide you need a overwidth
permit. No big deal. If it is too tall on hte
trailer, Which I believe is 13.5 ft, due to 14ft
overpasses, You might have to deal with special routes
and have the power company drop power lines to allow
you to pass. A real expensive proposition for each
move.
You can move houses on trailes but they only move once
a new location. Sometimes it's cheaper to move the
boat on water.
I don't know all of the answers as I don't know all of
the specific info. I don't need to.
If you can trtailer such a rig in the bredth and scope
of a semi, All you need is the tractor and the lowboy
trailer to do so.
It might be more ridged if built as one piece but is
there a saving grace in floation with three sections?
Roger
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FBBB --
It was my impression that these "irrelevant details" applied to a
version that fit entirely on one trailer. The paragraph continues,
"Bill's willingness to make several trips to the launching ramp
improved the design considerably."
I had a brief exchange with Bob Wise asking him questions about the
Loose Moose II, most especially what he thought he might replace her
with. A "non-breakdown" BDS was one of his thoughts, but we never got
into what he thought he would gain over building it as designed, but
given his penchant for sailing across oceans, perhaps it was a little
more seaworthiness he was after.
My only real complaint about the BDS is that it just doesn't look
that great. I know that's close to heresy, but to quote another list
member, "There are Bolger boats I love and those I admire." I
wouldn't quite offer the BDS the faint praise of "admiration" but it
doesn't stir my imagination nearly as much as some of his other
designs, including some of his less conventional boats.
YIBB,
David
A Teal called lil'winnie
A Light Scooner called Margaret Ellen
It was my impression that these "irrelevant details" applied to a
version that fit entirely on one trailer. The paragraph continues,
"Bill's willingness to make several trips to the launching ramp
improved the design considerably."
I had a brief exchange with Bob Wise asking him questions about the
Loose Moose II, most especially what he thought he might replace her
with. A "non-breakdown" BDS was one of his thoughts, but we never got
into what he thought he would gain over building it as designed, but
given his penchant for sailing across oceans, perhaps it was a little
more seaworthiness he was after.
My only real complaint about the BDS is that it just doesn't look
that great. I know that's close to heresy, but to quote another list
member, "There are Bolger boats I love and those I admire." I
wouldn't quite offer the BDS the faint praise of "admiration" but it
doesn't stir my imagination nearly as much as some of his other
designs, including some of his less conventional boats.
YIBB,
David
A Teal called lil'winnie
A Light Scooner called Margaret Ellen
To quote from BWAOM,
"With stronger construction and the bow well decked in, she wouldn't
need any restriction to protected water..."
That is what I think you would get from a non-breakdown version.
By-the-way, I would want to know more about the 'irrelevant details'
that had to be straightened out to get her to sail well. I suspect
PCB sometimes glosses over some of these things when they turn out OK
in the end.
For example, with the Triad schooner, apparently the leeboards didn't
sink at first. The builder was blamed for obstructing the drains.
Then it was suggested that flooding/draining of leeboards would never
happen fast enough for it to be satisfactory. Clearly there was a
learning process.
Peter
"With stronger construction and the bow well decked in, she wouldn't
need any restriction to protected water..."
That is what I think you would get from a non-breakdown version.
By-the-way, I would want to know more about the 'irrelevant details'
that had to be straightened out to get her to sail well. I suspect
PCB sometimes glosses over some of these things when they turn out OK
in the end.
For example, with the Triad schooner, apparently the leeboards didn't
sink at first. The builder was blamed for obstructing the drains.
Then it was suggested that flooding/draining of leeboards would never
happen fast enough for it to be satisfactory. Clearly there was a
learning process.
Peter
FBBB --
Does anyone know if a non-breakdown version of the break-down
schooner has ever been built?
My gut tells me you'd have to get something in exchange for giving up
the breakdown aspect. Does such a beast exist?
YIBB,
David
YIBB,
David
A Teal called lil'winnie
A Light Scooner called Margaret Ellen
Does anyone know if a non-breakdown version of the break-down
schooner has ever been built?
My gut tells me you'd have to get something in exchange for giving up
the breakdown aspect. Does such a beast exist?
YIBB,
David
YIBB,
David
A Teal called lil'winnie
A Light Scooner called Margaret Ellen
David:
At almost 50 ft. wouldn't you give up legal trailerability? In BWAOM,
Bolger states that he designed the boat in three parts to trailered to the
water in three trips, and assembled on the water. This makes sense if you
live quite close to the water, in an area where marinas are expensive or
non-existent, and boating is seasonal.
Chuck
At almost 50 ft. wouldn't you give up legal trailerability? In BWAOM,
Bolger states that he designed the boat in three parts to trailered to the
water in three trips, and assembled on the water. This makes sense if you
live quite close to the water, in an area where marinas are expensive or
non-existent, and boating is seasonal.
Chuck
> My gut tells me you'd have to get something in exchange for giving up
> the breakdown aspect. Does such a beast exist?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David