[bolger] Re: News from the Jungle Boat Shop

Chuck, I answered before your amended post came over; I'll try a sketch
too...
Don Hodges

----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Leinweber <duckworks@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 7:16 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: News from the Jungle Boat Shop

> Of course I meant to say: Can you render your design as a drawing?
>
>
> > Don:
> >
> > Can you render your design as a model, and post it? It sounds uncannily
> > like a model I built a couple of weeks ago. I will do a crude drawing
of
> my
> > model.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > > Chuck and Fritz,
> > >
> > > The model I did has a bit of flare, to 5 feet wide at gunwales;
forward
> 12
> > > feet is 4 feet deck, 8 feet of trunk cabin with 6-inch walk-around
> decks,
> > > aft is 9-foot cockpit and 18-inch motor slop well/fuel tank locker.
> > >
> > > Interior from fwd is 2-foot rope locker/flotation, 7-foot v-berths,
> 3-foot
> > > galley/locker space with portaloo storage opposite. Freeboard fwd is
2
> > 1/2
> > > feet, down to 20 inches at transom.
> > >
> > > In the light of day, I'm questioning constraining the bottom to 4 feet
> > > wide - will look at 5 feet and see if it promises a bit more interior
> and
> > > shoulder room. alternatively, may look at a 4-foot flat bottom panel
> and
> > a
> > > bilge panel a la "Diablo".
> > >
> > > Don Hodges
> > >dhodges@...
> > >http://www.ecoastlife.com
> > > Your Cyber-Vacation - Loafing on the Emerald Coast
> > > Small Boats, Building, Fishing, Paddling, Rowing, Sailing
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Chuck Leinweber <duckworks@...>
> > > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 12:20 AM
> > > Subject: [bolger] Re: News from the Jungle Boat Shop
> > >
> > >
> > > > Fritz and Don:
> > > >
> > > > As you know I am looking for a smaller version of the Tennessee as
> well.
> > > I
> > > > would just do a Sneakeasy, but I want the 24 feet limit. I think
that
> > the
> > > > flat planing type bottom that the Sneakeasy has would be just what
Don
> > is
> > > > looking for. He has mentioned a desire for occasional higher
speeds.
> > > Isn't
> > > > that right, Don?
> > > >
> > > > Just the other day, I was looking at what must be the same SBJ
article
> > you
> > > > were referring to Fritz. I will find it and post the cartoon in the
> > > vault.
> > > > I like to go on week or so cruises, and I think I could do it on
that
> 24
> > X
> > > 4
> > > > sized boat, but It would have to have some type of cabin. The
problem
> > is
> > > > that you can't go too high. Maybe a Michalak/Birdwatcher slot top
> cabin
> > > > would work.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > > > "donald hodges" (845) wrote:
> > > > > > All this got me noodling even more about the Tennessee project -
I
> > > > > came in
> > > > > > and worked up a model based on 3 sheets (24 feet) max gunwale
> length
> > > > > and 4
> > > > > > feet wide at bottom panel. I believe this boat could be built
> from
> > > > > 1/4 ext
> > > > >
> > > > > Don,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds to me like you are quite close to the Sneakeasy design with
> > your
> > > > > plan (it too has 4 foot maximum beam) - are you going to shrink
> down
> > > > > Tennessee's cabin's too, or what is your deck/superstructure plan?
> I
> > > > > got my Sneakeasy (27') bottom out of just 3 sheets of 1/2 inch MDO
> as
> > I
> > > > > recall. You can get a "pointy" bow section out of the waste from
the
> > > > > forward midships bottom panel, and the tail fins are not full
panel
> > > > > width, so it works out. I put the bottom seams in a different
> location
> > > > > than on Bolger's plans (for another, unrelated reason), but it did
> > turn
> > > > > out to work well to conserve wood. I REALLY came to love the MDO!
> > > > > (there's some old threads about MDO floating about) Sneakeasy does
> > need
> > > > > slightly more than 3 sheets for the sides. Sneakeasy has no rocker
> aft
> > > > > and very little aft taper, so it is a bit of a different design
than
> > > > > Tennessee - may not be what you want.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, one of the old Small Boat Journals has an article by PCB
> > entitled
> > > > > "mini Sneakeasy - 24 feet" (might have been 21 ft). About 1984.
Has
> > > > > anybody actually seen or remember this one?
> > > > >
> > > > > Keep us posted on your developments Don!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Fritz Funk
> > > > > My Boat Page:http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
> > > > > (Bolger Sneakeasy and other projects)
> > > > >
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Chuck, I'll try to snap a photo of the paper model - I don't have a cad
program installed. I have been doodling in Gregg's "Hulls" program and the
one I like best right now has the same profile and fore to aft description,
but a 6-foot wide bottom panel, 7 feet at gunwales, one chine. the
bilge-panel (Diablo) version doesn't appear to offer enough advantage to
justify the complication if I'm not planning on full planing power and
speed. Also, probably only one 6-inch walk-around deck to give as much
space as possible in the cabin (I just don't like a trailer boat which I
have to climb over the cabin to get to the cockpit, and occasionally I need
to get forward to walk a fish around).

I'll paste up a model of this second effort on Sunday and snap it for
processing by Monday if possible. I'm afraid it looks a lot like the old
seine skiffs Robb White describes in the latest MAIB. they are all over
places like Cedar Key and Apalachicola.

Don Hodges

----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Leinweber <duckworks@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 7:14 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: News from the Jungle Boat Shop

> Don:
>
> Can you render your design as a model, and post it? It sounds uncannily
> like a model I built a couple of weeks ago. I will do a crude drawing of
my
> model.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> > Chuck and Fritz,
> >
> > The model I did has a bit of flare, to 5 feet wide at gunwales; forward
12
> > feet is 4 feet deck, 8 feet of trunk cabin with 6-inch walk-around
decks,
> > aft is 9-foot cockpit and 18-inch motor slop well/fuel tank locker.
> >
> > Interior from fwd is 2-foot rope locker/flotation, 7-foot v-berths,
3-foot
> > galley/locker space with portaloo storage opposite. Freeboard fwd is 2
> 1/2
> > feet, down to 20 inches at transom.
> >
> > In the light of day, I'm questioning constraining the bottom to 4 feet
> > wide - will look at 5 feet and see if it promises a bit more interior
and
> > shoulder room. alternatively, may look at a 4-foot flat bottom panel
and
> a
> > bilge panel a la "Diablo".
> >
> > Don Hodges
> >dhodges@...
> >http://www.ecoastlife.com
> > Your Cyber-Vacation - Loafing on the Emerald Coast
> > Small Boats, Building, Fishing, Paddling, Rowing, Sailing
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chuck Leinweber <duckworks@...>
> > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 12:20 AM
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: News from the Jungle Boat Shop
> >
> >
> > > Fritz and Don:
> > >
> > > As you know I am looking for a smaller version of the Tennessee as
well.
> > I
> > > would just do a Sneakeasy, but I want the 24 feet limit. I think that
> the
> > > flat planing type bottom that the Sneakeasy has would be just what Don
> is
> > > looking for. He has mentioned a desire for occasional higher speeds.
> > Isn't
> > > that right, Don?
> > >
> > > Just the other day, I was looking at what must be the same SBJ article
> you
> > > were referring to Fritz. I will find it and post the cartoon in the
> > vault.
> > > I like to go on week or so cruises, and I think I could do it on that
24
> X
> > 4
> > > sized boat, but It would have to have some type of cabin. The problem
> is
> > > that you can't go too high. Maybe a Michalak/Birdwatcher slot top
cabin
> > > would work.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > > "donald hodges" (845) wrote:
> > > > > All this got me noodling even more about the Tennessee project - I
> > > > came in
> > > > > and worked up a model based on 3 sheets (24 feet) max gunwale
length
> > > > and 4
> > > > > feet wide at bottom panel. I believe this boat could be built
from
> > > > 1/4 ext
> > > >
> > > > Don,
> > > >
> > > > Sounds to me like you are quite close to the Sneakeasy design with
> your
> > > > plan (it too has 4 foot maximum beam) - are you going to shrink
down
> > > > Tennessee's cabin's too, or what is your deck/superstructure plan?
I
> > > > got my Sneakeasy (27') bottom out of just 3 sheets of 1/2 inch MDO
as
> I
> > > > recall. You can get a "pointy" bow section out of the waste from the
> > > > forward midships bottom panel, and the tail fins are not full panel
> > > > width, so it works out. I put the bottom seams in a different
location
> > > > than on Bolger's plans (for another, unrelated reason), but it did
> turn
> > > > out to work well to conserve wood. I REALLY came to love the MDO!
> > > > (there's some old threads about MDO floating about) Sneakeasy does
> need
> > > > slightly more than 3 sheets for the sides. Sneakeasy has no rocker
aft
> > > > and very little aft taper, so it is a bit of a different design than
> > > > Tennessee - may not be what you want.
> > > >
> > > > Also, one of the old Small Boat Journals has an article by PCB
> entitled
> > > > "mini Sneakeasy - 24 feet" (might have been 21 ft). About 1984. Has
> > > > anybody actually seen or remember this one?
> > > >
> > > > Keep us posted on your developments Don!!
> > > >
> > > > Fritz Funk
> > > > My Boat Page:http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
> > > > (Bolger Sneakeasy and other projects)
> > > >
> > > >
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Of course I meant to say: Can you render your design as a drawing?

> Don:
>
> Can you render your design as a model, and post it? It sounds uncannily
> like a model I built a couple of weeks ago. I will do a crude drawing of

> model.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> > Chuck and Fritz,
> >
> > The model I did has a bit of flare, to 5 feet wide at gunwales; forward

> > feet is 4 feet deck, 8 feet of trunk cabin with 6-inch walk-around

decks,

> > aft is 9-foot cockpit and 18-inch motor slop well/fuel tank locker.
> >
> > Interior from fwd is 2-foot rope locker/flotation, 7-foot v-berths,

3-foot

> > galley/locker space with portaloo storage opposite. Freeboard fwd is 2
> 1/2
> > feet, down to 20 inches at transom.
> >
> > In the light of day, I'm questioning constraining the bottom to 4 feet
> > wide - will look at 5 feet and see if it promises a bit more interior

and

> > shoulder room. alternatively, may look at a 4-foot flat bottom panel

and

> a
> > bilge panel a la "Diablo".
> >
> > Don Hodges
> >dhodges@...
> >http://www.ecoastlife.com
> > Your Cyber-Vacation - Loafing on the Emerald Coast
> > Small Boats, Building, Fishing, Paddling, Rowing, Sailing
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chuck Leinweber <duckworks@...>
> > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 12:20 AM
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: News from the Jungle Boat Shop
> >
> >
> > > Fritz and Don:
> > >
> > > As you know I am looking for a smaller version of the Tennessee as

well.

> > I
> > > would just do a Sneakeasy, but I want the 24 feet limit. I think that
> the
> > > flat planing type bottom that the Sneakeasy has would be just what Don
> is
> > > looking for. He has mentioned a desire for occasional higher speeds.
> > Isn't
> > > that right, Don?
> > >
> > > Just the other day, I was looking at what must be the same SBJ article
> you
> > > were referring to Fritz. I will find it and post the cartoon in the
> > vault.
> > > I like to go on week or so cruises, and I think I could do it on that

> X
> > 4
> > > sized boat, but It would have to have some type of cabin. The problem
> is
> > > that you can't go too high. Maybe a Michalak/Birdwatcher slot top

cabin

> > > would work.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > > "donald hodges" (845) wrote:
> > > > > All this got me noodling even more about the Tennessee project - I
> > > > came in
> > > > > and worked up a model based on 3 sheets (24 feet) max gunwale

length

> > > > and 4
> > > > > feet wide at bottom panel. I believe this boat could be built

from

> > > > 1/4 ext
> > > >
> > > > Don,
> > > >
> > > > Sounds to me like you are quite close to the Sneakeasy design with
> your
> > > > plan (it too has 4 foot maximum beam) - are you going to shrink

down

> > > > Tennessee's cabin's too, or what is your deck/superstructure plan?

> > > > got my Sneakeasy (27') bottom out of just 3 sheets of 1/2 inch MDO

> I
> > > > recall. You can get a "pointy" bow section out of the waste from the
> > > > forward midships bottom panel, and the tail fins are not full panel
> > > > width, so it works out. I put the bottom seams in a different

location

> > > > than on Bolger's plans (for another, unrelated reason), but it did
> turn
> > > > out to work well to conserve wood. I REALLY came to love the MDO!
> > > > (there's some old threads about MDO floating about) Sneakeasy does
> need
> > > > slightly more than 3 sheets for the sides. Sneakeasy has no rocker

aft

> > > > and very little aft taper, so it is a bit of a different design than
> > > > Tennessee - may not be what you want.
> > > >
> > > > Also, one of the old Small Boat Journals has an article by PCB
> entitled
> > > > "mini Sneakeasy - 24 feet" (might have been 21 ft). About 1984. Has
> > > > anybody actually seen or remember this one?
> > > >
> > > > Keep us posted on your developments Don!!
> > > >
> > > > Fritz Funk
> > > > My Boat Page:http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
> > > > (Bolger Sneakeasy and other projects)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Don:

Can you render your design as a model, and post it? It sounds uncannily
like a model I built a couple of weeks ago. I will do a crude drawing of my
model.

Chuck

> Chuck and Fritz,
>
> The model I did has a bit of flare, to 5 feet wide at gunwales; forward 12
> feet is 4 feet deck, 8 feet of trunk cabin with 6-inch walk-around decks,
> aft is 9-foot cockpit and 18-inch motor slop well/fuel tank locker.
>
> Interior from fwd is 2-foot rope locker/flotation, 7-foot v-berths, 3-foot
> galley/locker space with portaloo storage opposite. Freeboard fwd is 2

1/2

> feet, down to 20 inches at transom.
>
> In the light of day, I'm questioning constraining the bottom to 4 feet
> wide - will look at 5 feet and see if it promises a bit more interior and
> shoulder room. alternatively, may look at a 4-foot flat bottom panel and

> bilge panel a la "Diablo".
>
> Don Hodges
>dhodges@...
>http://www.ecoastlife.com
> Your Cyber-Vacation - Loafing on the Emerald Coast
> Small Boats, Building, Fishing, Paddling, Rowing, Sailing
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chuck Leinweber <duckworks@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 12:20 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: News from the Jungle Boat Shop
>
>
> > Fritz and Don:
> >
> > As you know I am looking for a smaller version of the Tennessee as well.
> I
> > would just do a Sneakeasy, but I want the 24 feet limit. I think that

the

> > flat planing type bottom that the Sneakeasy has would be just what Don

> > looking for. He has mentioned a desire for occasional higher speeds.
> Isn't
> > that right, Don?
> >
> > Just the other day, I was looking at what must be the same SBJ article

you

> > were referring to Fritz. I will find it and post the cartoon in the
> vault.
> > I like to go on week or so cruises, and I think I could do it on that 24

> 4
> > sized boat, but It would have to have some type of cabin. The problem

> > that you can't go too high. Maybe a Michalak/Birdwatcher slot top cabin
> > would work.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > > "donald hodges" (845) wrote:
> > > > All this got me noodling even more about the Tennessee project - I
> > > came in
> > > > and worked up a model based on 3 sheets (24 feet) max gunwale length
> > > and 4
> > > > feet wide at bottom panel. I believe this boat could be built from
> > > 1/4 ext
> > >
> > > Don,
> > >
> > > Sounds to me like you are quite close to the Sneakeasy design with

your

> > > plan (it too has 4 foot maximum beam) - are you going to shrink down
> > > Tennessee's cabin's too, or what is your deck/superstructure plan? I
> > > got my Sneakeasy (27') bottom out of just 3 sheets of 1/2 inch MDO as

> > > recall. You can get a "pointy" bow section out of the waste from the
> > > forward midships bottom panel, and the tail fins are not full panel
> > > width, so it works out. I put the bottom seams in a different location
> > > than on Bolger's plans (for another, unrelated reason), but it did

turn

> > > out to work well to conserve wood. I REALLY came to love the MDO!
> > > (there's some old threads about MDO floating about) Sneakeasy does

need

> > > slightly more than 3 sheets for the sides. Sneakeasy has no rocker aft
> > > and very little aft taper, so it is a bit of a different design than
> > > Tennessee - may not be what you want.
> > >
> > > Also, one of the old Small Boat Journals has an article by PCB

entitled

> > > "mini Sneakeasy - 24 feet" (might have been 21 ft). About 1984. Has
> > > anybody actually seen or remember this one?
> > >
> > > Keep us posted on your developments Don!!
> > >
> > > Fritz Funk
> > > My Boat Page:http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
> > > (Bolger Sneakeasy and other projects)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > A shopper's dream come true! Find practically anything on earth at

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Chuck and Fritz,

The model I did has a bit of flare, to 5 feet wide at gunwales; forward 12
feet is 4 feet deck, 8 feet of trunk cabin with 6-inch walk-around decks,
aft is 9-foot cockpit and 18-inch motor slop well/fuel tank locker.

Interior from fwd is 2-foot rope locker/flotation, 7-foot v-berths, 3-foot
galley/locker space with portaloo storage opposite. Freeboard fwd is 2 1/2
feet, down to 20 inches at transom.

In the light of day, I'm questioning constraining the bottom to 4 feet
wide - will look at 5 feet and see if it promises a bit more interior and
shoulder room. alternatively, may look at a 4-foot flat bottom panel and a
bilge panel a la "Diablo".

Don Hodges
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----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Leinweber <duckworks@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 12:20 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: News from the Jungle Boat Shop

> Fritz and Don:
>
> As you know I am looking for a smaller version of the Tennessee as well.
I
> would just do a Sneakeasy, but I want the 24 feet limit. I think that the
> flat planing type bottom that the Sneakeasy has would be just what Don is
> looking for. He has mentioned a desire for occasional higher speeds.
Isn't
> that right, Don?
>
> Just the other day, I was looking at what must be the same SBJ article you
> were referring to Fritz. I will find it and post the cartoon in the
vault.
> I like to go on week or so cruises, and I think I could do it on that 24 X
4
> sized boat, but It would have to have some type of cabin. The problem is
> that you can't go too high. Maybe a Michalak/Birdwatcher slot top cabin
> would work.
>
> Chuck
>
> > "donald hodges" (845) wrote:
> > > All this got me noodling even more about the Tennessee project - I
> > came in
> > > and worked up a model based on 3 sheets (24 feet) max gunwale length
> > and 4
> > > feet wide at bottom panel. I believe this boat could be built from
> > 1/4 ext
> >
> > Don,
> >
> > Sounds to me like you are quite close to the Sneakeasy design with your
> > plan (it too has 4 foot maximum beam) - are you going to shrink down
> > Tennessee's cabin's too, or what is your deck/superstructure plan? I
> > got my Sneakeasy (27') bottom out of just 3 sheets of 1/2 inch MDO as I
> > recall. You can get a "pointy" bow section out of the waste from the
> > forward midships bottom panel, and the tail fins are not full panel
> > width, so it works out. I put the bottom seams in a different location
> > than on Bolger's plans (for another, unrelated reason), but it did turn
> > out to work well to conserve wood. I REALLY came to love the MDO!
> > (there's some old threads about MDO floating about) Sneakeasy does need
> > slightly more than 3 sheets for the sides. Sneakeasy has no rocker aft
> > and very little aft taper, so it is a bit of a different design than
> > Tennessee - may not be what you want.
> >
> > Also, one of the old Small Boat Journals has an article by PCB entitled
> > "mini Sneakeasy - 24 feet" (might have been 21 ft). About 1984. Has
> > anybody actually seen or remember this one?
> >
> > Keep us posted on your developments Don!!
> >
> > Fritz Funk
> > My Boat Page:http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
> > (Bolger Sneakeasy and other projects)
> >
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Fritz and Don:

As you know I am looking for a smaller version of the Tennessee as well. I
would just do a Sneakeasy, but I want the 24 feet limit. I think that the
flat planing type bottom that the Sneakeasy has would be just what Don is
looking for. He has mentioned a desire for occasional higher speeds. Isn't
that right, Don?

Just the other day, I was looking at what must be the same SBJ article you
were referring to Fritz. I will find it and post the cartoon in the vault.
I like to go on week or so cruises, and I think I could do it on that 24 X 4
sized boat, but It would have to have some type of cabin. The problem is
that you can't go too high. Maybe a Michalak/Birdwatcher slot top cabin
would work.

Chuck

> "donald hodges" (845) wrote:
> > All this got me noodling even more about the Tennessee project - I
> came in
> > and worked up a model based on 3 sheets (24 feet) max gunwale length
> and 4
> > feet wide at bottom panel. I believe this boat could be built from
> 1/4 ext
>
> Don,
>
> Sounds to me like you are quite close to the Sneakeasy design with your
> plan (it too has 4 foot maximum beam) - are you going to shrink down
> Tennessee's cabin's too, or what is your deck/superstructure plan? I
> got my Sneakeasy (27') bottom out of just 3 sheets of 1/2 inch MDO as I
> recall. You can get a "pointy" bow section out of the waste from the
> forward midships bottom panel, and the tail fins are not full panel
> width, so it works out. I put the bottom seams in a different location
> than on Bolger's plans (for another, unrelated reason), but it did turn
> out to work well to conserve wood. I REALLY came to love the MDO!
> (there's some old threads about MDO floating about) Sneakeasy does need
> slightly more than 3 sheets for the sides. Sneakeasy has no rocker aft
> and very little aft taper, so it is a bit of a different design than
> Tennessee - may not be what you want.
>
> Also, one of the old Small Boat Journals has an article by PCB entitled
> "mini Sneakeasy - 24 feet" (might have been 21 ft). About 1984. Has
> anybody actually seen or remember this one?
>
> Keep us posted on your developments Don!!
>
> Fritz Funk
> My Boat Page:http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
> (Bolger Sneakeasy and other projects)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Come and browse the more than 2 million items up for bid at any time.
> You never know what you might find at eBay!
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>
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>
>

"donald hodges" wrote (845):

> All this got me noodling even more about the Tennessee project - I

came in

> and worked up a model based on 3 sheets (24 feet) max gunwale length

and 4

> feet wide at bottom panel.

Don,

Sounds to me like you are quite close to the Sneakeasy design with your
plan (it too has 4 foot maximum beam) - are you going to shrink down
Tennessee's cabin's too, or what is your deck/superstructure plan? I
got my Sneakeasy (27') bottom out of just 3 sheets of 1/2 inch MDO as I
recall. You can get a "pointy" bow section out of the waste from the
forward midships bottom panel, and the tail fins are not full panel
width, so it works out. I put the bottom seams in a different location
than on Bolger's plans (for another, unrelated reason), but it did turn
out to work well to conserve wood. I REALLY came to love the MDO!
(there's some old threads about MDO floating about) Sneakeasy does need
slightly more than 3 sheets for the sides. Sneakeasy has no rocker aft
and very little aft taper, so it is a bit of a different design than
Tennessee - may not be what you want.

Also, one of the old Small Boat Journals has an article by PCB entitled
"mini Sneakeasy - 24 feet" (might have been 21 ft). About 1984. Has
anybody actually seen or remember this one?

Keep us posted on your developments Don!!

Fritz Funk
My Boat Page:http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
(Bolger Sneakeasy and other projects)

"donald hodges" wrote:

> All this got me noodling even more about the Tennessee project - I

came in

> and worked up a model based on 3 sheets (24 feet) max gunwale length

and 4

> feet wide at bottom panel.

"donald hodges" (845) wrote:

> All this got me noodling even more about the Tennessee project - I

came in

> and worked up a model based on 3 sheets (24 feet) max gunwale length

and 4

> feet wide at bottom panel. I believe this boat could be built from

1/4 ext

Don,

Sounds to me like you are quite close to the Sneakeasy design with your
plan (it too has 4 foot maximum beam) - are you going to shrink down
Tennessee's cabin's too, or what is your deck/superstructure plan? I
got my Sneakeasy (27') bottom out of just 3 sheets of 1/2 inch MDO as I
recall. You can get a "pointy" bow section out of the waste from the
forward midships bottom panel, and the tail fins are not full panel
width, so it works out. I put the bottom seams in a different location
than on Bolger's plans (for another, unrelated reason), but it did turn
out to work well to conserve wood. I REALLY came to love the MDO!
(there's some old threads about MDO floating about) Sneakeasy does need
slightly more than 3 sheets for the sides. Sneakeasy has no rocker aft
and very little aft taper, so it is a bit of a different design than
Tennessee - may not be what you want.

Also, one of the old Small Boat Journals has an article by PCB entitled
"mini Sneakeasy - 24 feet" (might have been 21 ft). About 1984. Has
anybody actually seen or remember this one?

Keep us posted on your developments Don!!

Fritz Funk
My Boat Page:http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
(Bolger Sneakeasy and other projects)

"donald hodges" (845) wrote:

> All this got me noodling even more about the Tennessee project - I

came in

> and worked up a model based on 3 sheets (24 feet) max gunwale length

and 4

> feet wide at bottom panel. I believe this boat could be built from

"donald hodges" (845) wrote:

> All this got me noodling even more about the Tennessee project - I

came in

> and worked up a model based on 3 sheets (24 feet) max gunwale length

and 4

> feet wide at bottom panel. I believe this boat could be built from

"donald hodges" (845) wrote:

> All this got me noodling even more about the Tennessee project - I

came in

> and worked up a model based on 3 sheets (24 feet) max gunwale length

and 4

> feet wide at bottom panel. I believe this boat could be built from

Well, my glass scarfs turned out fine, so I got out the sides and transom of
a 12 foot skiff, filleted/taped the stem and transaom, and ripped some doug
fir chine logs and gunwales to glue/screw later.

I had forgotten what a pleasure it is to work with 1/4 luan. The 8x12 panel
I scarfed worked beautifully. OTOH, the panel I scarfed from 4x8 paraply
and 4x4 luan is curling up and seems very heavy compared to the luan.
Paraply is full 6 mm - luan 5.2 mm). I kinda dread working up the bottom
from it - we'll see.

All this got me noodling even more about the Tennessee project - I came in
and worked up a model based on 3 sheets (24 feet) max gunwale length and 4
feet wide at bottom panel. I believe this boat could be built from 1/4 ext
luan (doubled on the bottom), glassed outside and epoxy coated inside, with
stiffening bulkheads/ribs "as required". It's really two 11.5 - footers
back-to-back with a beefy bulkhead at the midpoint. My old 6 hp 2-stroke
would probably drive it to hull speed or a little better, and the camping
accomodations would be about like a Catalina 22 trailersailer - comfortable
for one, barely adequate for two, forget it for more... I would just keep
the 18 foot bowrider for my offshore dashes.

Is this a "Tennesse Jr." or maybe a "Nashville"? I'll try to put something
pictorial on the website in the next few days. Meanwhile. has anybody
already built this concept? I have scoured the web and haven't seen
anything very close to it. Jim Michelak has done some "2-sheet length"
boats but he hasn't tried to clad or reinforce the 1/4 ply.

Don Hodges
dhodges@...
http://www.ecoastlife.com
Your Cyber-Vacation - Loafing on the Emerald Coast
Small Boats, Building, Fishing, Paddling, Rowing, Sailing