Cabin Clam Skiff

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Nels
I would probly use the boat for a hotel while on business and so it might be ok to call it "The Bolger Business Sedan". Least ways my friends are sur to give me the "Business" when they see me building it!

Don

john_fader <johnfader@...> wrote:
C'mon, John,

you're the very fellow who thought up Saloon Launch. Stand up for your
convictions!!!!

The words mean the same, but Saloon is a manly word, salon is not; I
wouldn't be having any hairdressing or bed-tanning going on in my boat
if I had one... but... There might be some drinking of manly
beverages. Now where is that Maudite??? Theakston's Old Peculier???
:-)

Cheers/The Fader
preferring good old English words to the (ahem) "romance language"
words ;-)

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "vicskiff" wrote:
> 'Saloon launch' is a traditional and classic type of launch in the
> U.K. But since most of us (probably) are not in the U.K.
> and 'saloon' has another connotation, I think Roger's is a very
> acceptable compromise. The CCS Salon Launch -- can we agree on that?
>
> John
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" wrote:
> > Drop an oh and have "Salon Launch?"
> >
> > Roger (Yeah, cabin fever's endemic here, too.)
> > derbyrm at starband.net
> >http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Romasco"
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:41 AM
> > Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Cabin Clam Skiff
> >
> >
> > > No, I can't say I think "Saloon Launch" is quite the thing; the
> Maudite
> > > crowd will appropriate the concept and give it a most deservedly
> bad
> > > reputation....
> > >
> > > How about "Sedan Skiff"?
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > David Romasco




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Hey, don't look at me! I spent years working with harbor pilots, and never
could stop cracking up every time I saw the boats (and offices) decorated
with a sign that proudly proclaimed "Bar Pilots"...



David Romasco



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From: john_fader [mailto:johnfader@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 2:43 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cabin Clam Skiff



C'mon, John,

you're the very fellow who thought up Saloon Launch. Stand up for your
convictions!!!!

The words mean the same, but Saloon is a manly word, salon is not; I
wouldn't be having any hairdressing or bed-tanning going on in my boat
if I had one... but... There might be some drinking of manly
beverages. Now where is that Maudite??? Theakston's Old Peculier???
:-)

Cheers/The Fader
preferring good old English words to the (ahem) "romance language"
words ;-)

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "vicskiff" <john.ewing@s...> wrote:
> 'Saloon launch' is a traditional and classic type of launch in the
> U.K. But since most of us (probably) are not in the U.K.
> and 'saloon' has another connotation, I think Roger's is a very
> acceptable compromise. The CCS Salon Launch -- can we agree on that?
>
> John
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> > Drop an oh and have "Salon Launch?"
> >
> > Roger (Yeah, cabin fever's endemic here, too.)
> > derbyrm at starband.net
> >http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@g...>
> > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:41 AM
> > Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Cabin Clam Skiff
> >
> >
> > > No, I can't say I think "Saloon Launch" is quite the thing; the
> Maudite
> > > crowd will appropriate the concept and give it a most deservedly
> bad
> > > reputation....
> > >
> > > How about "Sedan Skiff"?
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > David Romasco



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Don, you know we Canadians are a peaceable lot. Compromise is our national identity. But if you want to shoot it out, pa'dner, I'll stand with ya. I'll take the varmits on the left; you got the right.

Hopalong John
----- Original Message -----
From: john_fader
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 11:43 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cabin Clam Skiff


C'mon, John,

you're the very fellow who thought up Saloon Launch. Stand up for your
convictions!!!!

The words mean the same, but Saloon is a manly word, salon is not; I
wouldn't be having any hairdressing or bed-tanning going on in my boat
if I had one... but... There might be some drinking of manly
beverages. Now where is that Maudite??? Theakston's Old Peculier???
:-)

Cheers/The Fader
preferring good old English words to the (ahem) "romance language"
words ;-)

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "vicskiff" <john.ewing@s...> wrote:
> 'Saloon launch' is a traditional and classic type of launch in the
> U.K. But since most of us (probably) are not in the U.K.
> and 'saloon' has another connotation, I think Roger's is a very
> acceptable compromise. The CCS Salon Launch -- can we agree on that?
>
> John
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> > Drop an oh and have "Salon Launch?"
> >
> > Roger (Yeah, cabin fever's endemic here, too.)
> > derbyrm at starband.net
> >http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@g...>
> > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:41 AM
> > Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Cabin Clam Skiff
> >
> >
> > > No, I can't say I think "Saloon Launch" is quite the thing; the
> Maudite
> > > crowd will appropriate the concept and give it a most deservedly
> bad
> > > reputation....
> > >
> > > How about "Sedan Skiff"?
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > David Romasco



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C'mon, John,

you're the very fellow who thought up Saloon Launch. Stand up for your
convictions!!!!

The words mean the same, but Saloon is a manly word, salon is not; I
wouldn't be having any hairdressing or bed-tanning going on in my boat
if I had one... but... There might be some drinking of manly
beverages. Now where is that Maudite??? Theakston's Old Peculier???
:-)

Cheers/The Fader
preferring good old English words to the (ahem) "romance language"
words ;-)

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "vicskiff" <john.ewing@s...> wrote:
> 'Saloon launch' is a traditional and classic type of launch in the
> U.K. But since most of us (probably) are not in the U.K.
> and 'saloon' has another connotation, I think Roger's is a very
> acceptable compromise. The CCS Salon Launch -- can we agree on that?
>
> John
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> > Drop an oh and have "Salon Launch?"
> >
> > Roger (Yeah, cabin fever's endemic here, too.)
> > derbyrm at starband.net
> >http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@g...>
> > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:41 AM
> > Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Cabin Clam Skiff
> >
> >
> > > No, I can't say I think "Saloon Launch" is quite the thing; the
> Maudite
> > > crowd will appropriate the concept and give it a most deservedly
> bad
> > > reputation....
> > >
> > > How about "Sedan Skiff"?
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > David Romasco
'Saloon launch' is a traditional and classic type of launch in the
U.K. But since most of us (probably) are not in the U.K.
and 'saloon' has another connotation, I think Roger's is a very
acceptable compromise. The CCS Salon Launch -- can we agree on that?

John


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> Drop an oh and have "Salon Launch?"
>
> Roger (Yeah, cabin fever's endemic here, too.)
> derbyrm at starband.net
>http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@g...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Cabin Clam Skiff
>
>
> > No, I can't say I think "Saloon Launch" is quite the thing; the
Maudite
> > crowd will appropriate the concept and give it a most deservedly
bad
> > reputation....
> >
> > How about "Sedan Skiff"?
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > David Romasco
Drop an oh and have "Salon Launch?"

Roger (Yeah, cabin fever's endemic here, too.)
derbyrm at starband.net
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Romasco" <dromasco@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Cabin Clam Skiff


> No, I can't say I think "Saloon Launch" is quite the thing; the Maudite
> crowd will appropriate the concept and give it a most deservedly bad
> reputation....
>
> How about "Sedan Skiff"?
>
> ;-)
>
> David Romasco
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David Romasco" <dromasco@g...> wrote:
> No, I can't say I think "Saloon Launch" is quite the thing; the
Maudite crowd will appropriate the concept and give it a most
deservedly bad reputation....

How about Launch Lounge, Saloon Skiff, Bar Boat, Brew Bateau, Plonk
Pony, Maudite de Tabernacle mast, Cabin Crate, 24 or bust,

Hic!

Just getting ready for the big Gasparilla Pirate Fest today, hic!

Blackhand Bruce
No, I can't say I think "Saloon Launch" is quite the thing; the Maudite
crowd will appropriate the concept and give it a most deservedly bad
reputation....

How about "Sedan Skiff"?

;-)

David Romasco

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From: john_fader [mailto:johnfader@...]
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:05 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cabin Clam Skiff


Chuck,

I go along with your contention that CCS is a *terrible* neme for this
boat. John ewing and I have taken to calling her the "Saloon Launch",
a much more appropriate name. I strongly suggest that we all take up
that bit of conceit.




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I believe the first cabin clam skiff was built in Sydney Aus., named
Heron
after the bird that is elegant, however a bit wobbly on its feet.
Maybe HERON could replace CCS?

With its 50hp high thrust four stroke outboard it moves along at a
fair clip. But be warned, any small chop will rattle the kidneys! A
large swell at speed requires surgery. Howerever very little water
comes aboard in any conditions.

Despite its agricultural name and origins it is a very pretty boat.

The forward cabin door head was removed so that you don't have to
bend down to entre the cabin if the sliding hatch is open. PCB issued
some modifications along these lines. Otherwise it was built to plan
with
no complaints - just admiratio
He replied that the longer
> boat would be a better boat in evey way. I don't know how far this
> thread could be extended, but I expect that it could be a great
deal
> more than a 3' extension and still get his approval.

The Idaho hull is the the same width as the CCS so you can go 13 feet
longer and still be a Bolger design.

Charles
--- "john_fader" <johnfader@b...> wrote:
> :-) I faxed PCB about lengthening the design 3',...
> He replied that the longer
> boat would be a better boat in evey way.

A TIMS!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "leewan" <chuckandaudre@m...> wrote:
> I keep telling myself I can't have a Wyoming. So I am back to the
> clam skiff. Is the clam skiff (18') the same hull as the cabin
clam
> skiff with the window gallery added on?? Are there any plan
drawings
> of the cabin clam skiff?
>
> Why can't I have a Wyoming?? or some other state? instead of sea
> food??
>
> Thanks
> chuck


Well....if you can't have a state how about one of the nice
clean "lake" series like Champlain ? At least you can claim to be
boxed in by a couple of states :-)

Peter Lenihan
Chuck,

I go along with your contention that CCS is a *terrible* neme for this
boat. John ewing and I have taken to calling her the "Saloon Launch",
a much more appropriate name. I strongly suggest that we all take up
that bit of conceit.

Yes, it's nearly the same hull, bith the cabin. There are a couple of
article/pictures in the various photos/files sections of the Bolger
Groups. Look about. If you don't find them, I can send you a
compendium via email.

You might be interested to know that she doesn't have to be so short
:-) I faxed PCB about lengthening the design 3', most of which was for
an enclosed head with a small galley flat across from it, at the aft
end of the cabin, plus 6" increase in the length of the aft deck for
better stowage of fuel tanks and batteries. He replied that the longer
boat would be a better boat in evey way. I don't know how far this
thread could be extended, but I expect that it could be a great deal
more than a 3' extension and still get his approval.

Finally, don't fail to look at Dakota and Minnesota in the same
various bins.

Cheers/The Fader

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "leewan" <chuckandaudre@m...> wrote:
> I keep telling myself I can't have a Wyoming. So I am back to the
> clam skiff. Is the clam skiff (18') the same hull as the cabin clam
> skiff with the window gallery added on?? Are there any plan drawings
> of the cabin clam skiff?
>
> Why can't I have a Wyoming?? or some other state? instead of sea
> food??
>
> Thanks
> chuck
I don't know, why not a Wyoming?

Of course I'm not the one to talk you out of one either, I'm too biased.

:>)

Jeff
www.4dw.net/cosailor

----- Original Message -----
From: leewan
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 3:17 PM
Subject: [bolger] Cabin Clam Skiff


I keep telling myself I can't have a Wyoming. So I am back to the
clam skiff. Is the clam skiff (18') the same hull as the cabin clam
skiff with the window gallery added on?? Are there any plan drawings
of the cabin clam skiff?

Why can't I have a Wyoming?? or some other state? instead of sea
food??

Thanks
chuck





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I keep telling myself I can't have a Wyoming. So I am back to the
clam skiff. Is the clam skiff (18') the same hull as the cabin clam
skiff with the window gallery added on?? Are there any plan drawings
of the cabin clam skiff?

Why can't I have a Wyoming?? or some other state? instead of sea
food??

Thanks
chuck
Who out there is building a Bolger clam skiff with cabin?  I got a 
message from someone in Michigan but lost his address.  Could you 
e-mail me again?  I'd like to see your boat in July, if I could.  I 
would also like to correspond with anyone building or using a cabin 
clam skiff.  I wonder if it is top heavy??
Hougha!  I too would like to hear more about the Clam Skiff and how it performs, with or without a cabin.  Post away people, if you got one and can talk about how they perform out on the sound.

Regards, Bubba K.
 

Hello Peter Reynolds!
Glad you jumped in!I was beginning to feel a bit awkward!Somehow
my sailing pictures of my SURF were added to your folder(moderator
perhaps?) and this after they were posted seperately!
Your building photos are really nice as is your"shop".I sure
hope my photos do not detract in anyway the fine effort illustrated in
what is obviously your folder!I think I can remove(delete)them if you
wish and create another folder with a different name.Let me know!!
Look forward to seeing some of your sailing shots!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,shame-faced,on the shores of you know where.........




--- Inbolger@egroups.com, pmcrannell@y... wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> My name is Pete Reynolds. I'm the guy who built the Surf pictured
> in the Surf's Up folder.
>

>
> Take care,
> Pete Reynolds
Hi guys,

My name is Pete Reynolds. I'm the guy who built the Surf pictured
in the Surf's Up folder.

I'm happy to hear that my pictures inspired someone to build a
Surf. She's a great design, fast both rowing and sailing, roomy
enough for three, four if a couple of the crew are fairly small.
She's also very easy to build. The technigues are the same as those
in Bolger's 2-sheet designs, but there's a little more pre-assembly
of the hull's components.

If you guys have any questions about her, please feel free to
contact me through the list, or at my e-mail address.

Good luck with your project!

Take care,
Pete Reynolds



--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> Hello John,
> Your welcome.The idea for the kick up rudder and its'
construction
> came from an old Small Boat Journal article featuring the Bolger
> Chebacco.In particular,Brad Storys' use of two formica sheets clued
to
> the inside faces of the rudder cheek pieces between which the lower
> rudder unit is sandwiched and allowed to swing up.I am not familiar
> with how Michalaks' kick up leeboards function(very well,I would
> imagine!)however,I would avoid any set up that is more or less
> a permanent installation.The SURF is also a fun rowboat that works
> best with the least amount of unnecessary weights being lugged
around
> with it.
> Regarding the fillets;I not not doubt that a very fine,clean
lined
> hull would result using this method however you would give up most
of
> the solid protection,offered by those external chine logs,against
> abrasions from trailers,roof racks,less then perfect landings etc...
> The SURF'S UP folder was created by another Bolgerite whose
> wonderful construction photos illustrate the basic elegance of the
> SURF design(I am sorry I do not know who).The sailing shots are
mine.
> And finally,I am in Montreal,that island in the river.
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan
>
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...> wrote:
> > Peter, thanks for the input on the rudder and leeboard. In fact,
> > because Portage Inlet gets so shallow (even drying at our end at
low
> > tide) I was about to ask the List about Michalak-style kick-up
> > rudders and leeboards for the Surf -- or maybe a barn-door-type,
> > winged rudder. Anyone else out there with thoughts on this? Also,
> any
> > thoughts regarding filleted as opposed to external chines for the
> > Surf?
> >
> > I might say that, with few relevant links from Payson's site,
etc.,
> > it was the 'Surf's Up' folder in the Bolger List Files that
helped
> me
> > decide on this boat.
> >
> > By the way, Peter, just where are you "on the cold, windswept
shores
> > of the St.Lawrence"? My wife and I have been your way but not
since
> > the late '60s when we were still living in Toronto.
> >
> > John in Victoria, where snowdrops are beginning to bloom
(although
> we
> > had heavy frost overnight)
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...>
wrote:
> > > John,
> > > Best of luck with the SURF!She will be lots of fun for
you.The
> > > only significant change I made to mine was to make the lower
> > section
> > > of the rudder blade in two sections so as to allow it to pivot
up
> > > should you bump into the bottom.Also,after hitting the edge of
a
> > > submerged ramp with the leeboard and breaking the
> forward"tongue",I
> > > made a point of carrying a spare"tongue",replaced the forward
one
> > > with a softer wood(plenty strong to hold the board but weak
enough
> > to
> > > break away without taking the whole shear with it) and
> re-installed
> > > the new one with a bolt and butterfly nut to make replacement
> quick
> > > and easy out on the water.You only need do this to the
> > > forward"tongue" as this is the one that gets kicked back
against
> > the
> > > center frame and breaking.
> > > If you have not yet experienced the pleasure of sailing a
sprit
> > > rigged Bermudan sail,then you will be encouraged by its'
> simplicity
> > > and easy handling to sail in all sorts of weather(within
> > reason).The
> > > minute you think that she is about to be over-powered,simply
let
> > the
> > > sheet go and trim once the gust has passed.Dirt simple.
> > > Unless you expect to sail in very strong currents,I wouldn't
> > even
> > > consider any sort of auxiliary power other then a pair of
oars.The
> > > SURF just scoots along fine with them although you may wish to
> > lower
> > > the mast(no big deal there!) in any kind of wind as there is a
> > > surprising amount of wind resistance from the furled sail mast
> > combo.
> > > Have you seen the SURF'S UP folder in the files? One nice
> series
> > > of one in build and then some rather smallish/out of focus
> pictures
> > > of one in use(mine).
> > > I recall the whole construction process as very straight
> forward
> > > and simple.Despite this however,I did manage to lock-in a
slight
> > fore-
> > > n-aft twist while I was feeling reckless with eagerness to
launch
> > > her.Take your time when you come to wrapping those two hull
sides
> > > around the mid-ship frame!
> > > At any rate,those are my thoughts for you joined with a
hearty
> > > good luck!Take lots of pictures!!!!!
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Peter Lenihan,feeling rather good after fielding a barrage of
> > > questions from his girlfriend about the Lake Champlain Bolger
> > > Messabout(a sure sign she's game for it!),here on the cold
> > windswept
> > > shores of the St.Lawrence............
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...> wrote:
> > > > I today received the plans for my first-experience project,
> Surf,
> > > > from H.H. Payson and included were three letter-sized sheets
> > > > of 'Building directions and key to plans'. The key numbers on
> the
> > > > plans weren't in Bolger's practiced hand, and probably
Payson's.
> > > With
> > > > the Cabin Clam Skiff direct from PCB&F no such thing was
> > included --
> > >
> > > > only two sheets of drawings for the original open Clam Skiff
and
> > > two
> > > > sheets of drawings for the cabin modification. Maybe I should
> > have
> > > > ordered Work Skiff plans (Clam Skiff by any other name?) from
> > > > Dynamite instead. They would have been cheaper and maybe have
> > > > included the "few pages of building key" that you mention,
> Chris.
> > > > Anyway, Surf comes first and in my mind's eye I can already
see
> > her
> > > > clipper-bowed form taking the winds of Portage Inlet...
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@egroups.com, Chris Crandall <crandall@u...>
wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, John Ewing wrote:
> > > > > > However, perhaps because I'm a first-time builder, I was
> > taken
> > > > aback
> > > > > > by the apparent lack of detailing in such things as the
> > forward
> > > > edge
> > > > > > of the sliding roof hatch (where one might have a problem
> > with
> > > > driven
> > > > > > rain entering the cabin) and construction and fitting of
the
> > > cabin
> > > > > > doors, front and back. Is it usual for the builder to
have
> > to
> > > > design
> > > > > > elements such as this for himself/herself?
> > > > >
> > > > > This is not unusual. There is almost always something one
has
> > to
> > > > work out
> > > > > for one's self in almost any plans (except the beginner's
> plans
> > > that
> > > > > arrive with full-size patterns and a book telling you how
to
> do
> > > > > everything).
> > > > >
> > > > > You might take a cue from the fact that if someone can fill
a
> > > book
> > > > on how
> > > > > to build a simple design (such as the 6-hour canoe), then a
> set
> > > of
> > > > plans
> > > > > with a few pages of building key isn't really all there is.
> > > > >
> > > > > For your question, I know of no other better book than Fred
> > > > Bingham's
> > > > > delightful book "Boat Joinery and Cabinetmaking Simplified"
> > which
> > > > sells
> > > > > for $25. I love the book--it's filled with pictures and
> > > > explanations that
> > > > > fill out one's knowledge to the point that one could
examine a
> > > > traditional
> > > > > wooden boat or a modern one, and make a knowledgeable guess
> > about
> > > > the
> > > > > quality of craftmanship throughout.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would certainly pay for itself in avoiding $25 worth of
> > > mistakes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris Crandall crandall@u... (785)
864-4131
> > > > > Department of Psychology University of Kansas
Lawrence,
> > KS
> > > > 66045
> > > > > I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine
> > > hypothesis.
Hello John,
Your welcome.The idea for the kick up rudder and its' construction
came from an old Small Boat Journal article featuring the Bolger
Chebacco.In particular,Brad Storys' use of two formica sheets clued to
the inside faces of the rudder cheek pieces between which the lower
rudder unit is sandwiched and allowed to swing up.I am not familiar
with how Michalaks' kick up leeboards function(very well,I would
imagine!)however,I would avoid any set up that is more or less
a permanent installation.The SURF is also a fun rowboat that works
best with the least amount of unnecessary weights being lugged around
with it.
Regarding the fillets;I not not doubt that a very fine,clean lined
hull would result using this method however you would give up most of
the solid protection,offered by those external chine logs,against
abrasions from trailers,roof racks,less then perfect landings etc...
The SURF'S UP folder was created by another Bolgerite whose
wonderful construction photos illustrate the basic elegance of the
SURF design(I am sorry I do not know who).The sailing shots are mine.
And finally,I am in Montreal,that island in the river.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan


--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...> wrote:
> Peter, thanks for the input on the rudder and leeboard. In fact,
> because Portage Inlet gets so shallow (even drying at our end at low
> tide) I was about to ask the List about Michalak-style kick-up
> rudders and leeboards for the Surf -- or maybe a barn-door-type,
> winged rudder. Anyone else out there with thoughts on this? Also,
any
> thoughts regarding filleted as opposed to external chines for the
> Surf?
>
> I might say that, with few relevant links from Payson's site, etc.,
> it was the 'Surf's Up' folder in the Bolger List Files that helped
me
> decide on this boat.
>
> By the way, Peter, just where are you "on the cold, windswept shores
> of the St.Lawrence"? My wife and I have been your way but not since
> the late '60s when we were still living in Toronto.
>
> John in Victoria, where snowdrops are beginning to bloom (although
we
> had heavy frost overnight)
>
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> > John,
> > Best of luck with the SURF!She will be lots of fun for you.The
> > only significant change I made to mine was to make the lower
> section
> > of the rudder blade in two sections so as to allow it to pivot up
> > should you bump into the bottom.Also,after hitting the edge of a
> > submerged ramp with the leeboard and breaking the
forward"tongue",I
> > made a point of carrying a spare"tongue",replaced the forward one
> > with a softer wood(plenty strong to hold the board but weak enough
> to
> > break away without taking the whole shear with it) and
re-installed
> > the new one with a bolt and butterfly nut to make replacement
quick
> > and easy out on the water.You only need do this to the
> > forward"tongue" as this is the one that gets kicked back against
> the
> > center frame and breaking.
> > If you have not yet experienced the pleasure of sailing a sprit
> > rigged Bermudan sail,then you will be encouraged by its'
simplicity
> > and easy handling to sail in all sorts of weather(within
> reason).The
> > minute you think that she is about to be over-powered,simply let
> the
> > sheet go and trim once the gust has passed.Dirt simple.
> > Unless you expect to sail in very strong currents,I wouldn't
> even
> > consider any sort of auxiliary power other then a pair of oars.The
> > SURF just scoots along fine with them although you may wish to
> lower
> > the mast(no big deal there!) in any kind of wind as there is a
> > surprising amount of wind resistance from the furled sail mast
> combo.
> > Have you seen the SURF'S UP folder in the files? One nice
series
> > of one in build and then some rather smallish/out of focus
pictures
> > of one in use(mine).
> > I recall the whole construction process as very straight
forward
> > and simple.Despite this however,I did manage to lock-in a slight
> fore-
> > n-aft twist while I was feeling reckless with eagerness to launch
> > her.Take your time when you come to wrapping those two hull sides
> > around the mid-ship frame!
> > At any rate,those are my thoughts for you joined with a hearty
> > good luck!Take lots of pictures!!!!!
> > Sincerely,
> > Peter Lenihan,feeling rather good after fielding a barrage of
> > questions from his girlfriend about the Lake Champlain Bolger
> > Messabout(a sure sign she's game for it!),here on the cold
> windswept
> > shores of the St.Lawrence............
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...> wrote:
> > > I today received the plans for my first-experience project,
Surf,
> > > from H.H. Payson and included were three letter-sized sheets
> > > of 'Building directions and key to plans'. The key numbers on
the
> > > plans weren't in Bolger's practiced hand, and probably Payson's.
> > With
> > > the Cabin Clam Skiff direct from PCB&F no such thing was
> included --
> >
> > > only two sheets of drawings for the original open Clam Skiff and
> > two
> > > sheets of drawings for the cabin modification. Maybe I should
> have
> > > ordered Work Skiff plans (Clam Skiff by any other name?) from
> > > Dynamite instead. They would have been cheaper and maybe have
> > > included the "few pages of building key" that you mention,
Chris.
> > > Anyway, Surf comes first and in my mind's eye I can already see
> her
> > > clipper-bowed form taking the winds of Portage Inlet...
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@egroups.com, Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, John Ewing wrote:
> > > > > However, perhaps because I'm a first-time builder, I was
> taken
> > > aback
> > > > > by the apparent lack of detailing in such things as the
> forward
> > > edge
> > > > > of the sliding roof hatch (where one might have a problem
> with
> > > driven
> > > > > rain entering the cabin) and construction and fitting of the
> > cabin
> > > > > doors, front and back. Is it usual for the builder to have
> to
> > > design
> > > > > elements such as this for himself/herself?
> > > >
> > > > This is not unusual. There is almost always something one has
> to
> > > work out
> > > > for one's self in almost any plans (except the beginner's
plans
> > that
> > > > arrive with full-size patterns and a book telling you how to
do
> > > > everything).
> > > >
> > > > You might take a cue from the fact that if someone can fill a
> > book
> > > on how
> > > > to build a simple design (such as the 6-hour canoe), then a
set
> > of
> > > plans
> > > > with a few pages of building key isn't really all there is.
> > > >
> > > > For your question, I know of no other better book than Fred
> > > Bingham's
> > > > delightful book "Boat Joinery and Cabinetmaking Simplified"
> which
> > > sells
> > > > for $25. I love the book--it's filled with pictures and
> > > explanations that
> > > > fill out one's knowledge to the point that one could examine a
> > > traditional
> > > > wooden boat or a modern one, and make a knowledgeable guess
> about
> > > the
> > > > quality of craftmanship throughout.
> > > >
> > > > It would certainly pay for itself in avoiding $25 worth of
> > mistakes.
> > > >
> > > > Chris Crandall crandall@u... (785) 864-4131
> > > > Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence,
> KS
> > > 66045
> > > > I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine
> > hypothesis.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, John Ewing wrote:
> I today received the plans for my first-experience project, Surf, from
> H.H. Payson and included were three letter-sized sheets

Keep us informed about progress; plan to finish it in time for summer
launching!
>Peter, thanks for the input on the rudder and leeboard. In fact,
>because Portage Inlet gets so shallow (even drying at our end at low
>tide) I was about to ask the List about Michalak-style kick-up
>rudders and leeboards for the Surf -- or maybe a barn-door-type,
>winged rudder. Anyone else out there with thoughts on this? Also, any
>thoughts regarding filleted as opposed to external chines for the
>Surf?


Bolger shows fillets on another instant boat hull, the "pirate racer".

Tim Flatchen has a good drawing of a kick up rudder in his Light
Scooner How To, wouldn't take a very big brain to adapt the concept
to the surf. Between instant boats I and II, and BWOM, there are a
couple of other kick up rudder ideas. But whatever you do about the
rudder, post pictures! I'll be building a surf later this year as an
off the beach fishing boat, and if there's one thing the teal taught
me, you want to have a kick up rudder launching and retrieving
through the surf.

YIBB,

David



CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
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New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
Peter, thanks for the input on the rudder and leeboard. In fact,
because Portage Inlet gets so shallow (even drying at our end at low
tide) I was about to ask the List about Michalak-style kick-up
rudders and leeboards for the Surf -- or maybe a barn-door-type,
winged rudder. Anyone else out there with thoughts on this? Also, any
thoughts regarding filleted as opposed to external chines for the
Surf?

I might say that, with few relevant links from Payson's site, etc.,
it was the 'Surf's Up' folder in the Bolger List Files that helped me
decide on this boat.

By the way, Peter, just where are you "on the cold, windswept shores
of the St.Lawrence"? My wife and I have been your way but not since
the late '60s when we were still living in Toronto.

John in Victoria, where snowdrops are beginning to bloom (although we
had heavy frost overnight)


--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> John,
> Best of luck with the SURF!She will be lots of fun for you.The
> only significant change I made to mine was to make the lower
section
> of the rudder blade in two sections so as to allow it to pivot up
> should you bump into the bottom.Also,after hitting the edge of a
> submerged ramp with the leeboard and breaking the forward"tongue",I
> made a point of carrying a spare"tongue",replaced the forward one
> with a softer wood(plenty strong to hold the board but weak enough
to
> break away without taking the whole shear with it) and re-installed
> the new one with a bolt and butterfly nut to make replacement quick
> and easy out on the water.You only need do this to the
> forward"tongue" as this is the one that gets kicked back against
the
> center frame and breaking.
> If you have not yet experienced the pleasure of sailing a sprit
> rigged Bermudan sail,then you will be encouraged by its' simplicity
> and easy handling to sail in all sorts of weather(within
reason).The
> minute you think that she is about to be over-powered,simply let
the
> sheet go and trim once the gust has passed.Dirt simple.
> Unless you expect to sail in very strong currents,I wouldn't
even
> consider any sort of auxiliary power other then a pair of oars.The
> SURF just scoots along fine with them although you may wish to
lower
> the mast(no big deal there!) in any kind of wind as there is a
> surprising amount of wind resistance from the furled sail mast
combo.
> Have you seen the SURF'S UP folder in the files? One nice series
> of one in build and then some rather smallish/out of focus pictures
> of one in use(mine).
> I recall the whole construction process as very straight forward
> and simple.Despite this however,I did manage to lock-in a slight
fore-
> n-aft twist while I was feeling reckless with eagerness to launch
> her.Take your time when you come to wrapping those two hull sides
> around the mid-ship frame!
> At any rate,those are my thoughts for you joined with a hearty
> good luck!Take lots of pictures!!!!!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,feeling rather good after fielding a barrage of
> questions from his girlfriend about the Lake Champlain Bolger
> Messabout(a sure sign she's game for it!),here on the cold
windswept
> shores of the St.Lawrence............
>
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...> wrote:
> > I today received the plans for my first-experience project, Surf,
> > from H.H. Payson and included were three letter-sized sheets
> > of 'Building directions and key to plans'. The key numbers on the
> > plans weren't in Bolger's practiced hand, and probably Payson's.
> With
> > the Cabin Clam Skiff direct from PCB&F no such thing was
included --
>
> > only two sheets of drawings for the original open Clam Skiff and
> two
> > sheets of drawings for the cabin modification. Maybe I should
have
> > ordered Work Skiff plans (Clam Skiff by any other name?) from
> > Dynamite instead. They would have been cheaper and maybe have
> > included the "few pages of building key" that you mention, Chris.
> > Anyway, Surf comes first and in my mind's eye I can already see
her
> > clipper-bowed form taking the winds of Portage Inlet...
> >
> > John
> >
> > --- Inbolger@egroups.com, Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, John Ewing wrote:
> > > > However, perhaps because I'm a first-time builder, I was
taken
> > aback
> > > > by the apparent lack of detailing in such things as the
forward
> > edge
> > > > of the sliding roof hatch (where one might have a problem
with
> > driven
> > > > rain entering the cabin) and construction and fitting of the
> cabin
> > > > doors, front and back. Is it usual for the builder to have
to
> > design
> > > > elements such as this for himself/herself?
> > >
> > > This is not unusual. There is almost always something one has
to
> > work out
> > > for one's self in almost any plans (except the beginner's plans
> that
> > > arrive with full-size patterns and a book telling you how to do
> > > everything).
> > >
> > > You might take a cue from the fact that if someone can fill a
> book
> > on how
> > > to build a simple design (such as the 6-hour canoe), then a set
> of
> > plans
> > > with a few pages of building key isn't really all there is.
> > >
> > > For your question, I know of no other better book than Fred
> > Bingham's
> > > delightful book "Boat Joinery and Cabinetmaking Simplified"
which
> > sells
> > > for $25. I love the book--it's filled with pictures and
> > explanations that
> > > fill out one's knowledge to the point that one could examine a
> > traditional
> > > wooden boat or a modern one, and make a knowledgeable guess
about
> > the
> > > quality of craftmanship throughout.
> > >
> > > It would certainly pay for itself in avoiding $25 worth of
> mistakes.
> > >
> > > Chris Crandall crandall@u... (785) 864-4131
> > > Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence,
KS
> > 66045
> > > I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine
> hypothesis.
John,
Best of luck with the SURF!She will be lots of fun for you.The
only significant change I made to mine was to make the lower section
of the rudder blade in two sections so as to allow it to pivot up
should you bump into the bottom.Also,after hitting the edge of a
submerged ramp with the leeboard and breaking the forward"tongue",I
made a point of carrying a spare"tongue",replaced the forward one
with a softer wood(plenty strong to hold the board but weak enough to
break away without taking the whole shear with it) and re-installed
the new one with a bolt and butterfly nut to make replacement quick
and easy out on the water.You only need do this to the
forward"tongue" as this is the one that gets kicked back against the
center frame and breaking.
If you have not yet experienced the pleasure of sailing a sprit
rigged Bermudan sail,then you will be encouraged by its' simplicity
and easy handling to sail in all sorts of weather(within reason).The
minute you think that she is about to be over-powered,simply let the
sheet go and trim once the gust has passed.Dirt simple.
Unless you expect to sail in very strong currents,I wouldn't even
consider any sort of auxiliary power other then a pair of oars.The
SURF just scoots along fine with them although you may wish to lower
the mast(no big deal there!) in any kind of wind as there is a
surprising amount of wind resistance from the furled sail mast combo.
Have you seen the SURF'S UP folder in the files? One nice series
of one in build and then some rather smallish/out of focus pictures
of one in use(mine).
I recall the whole construction process as very straight forward
and simple.Despite this however,I did manage to lock-in a slight fore-
n-aft twist while I was feeling reckless with eagerness to launch
her.Take your time when you come to wrapping those two hull sides
around the mid-ship frame!
At any rate,those are my thoughts for you joined with a hearty
good luck!Take lots of pictures!!!!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,feeling rather good after fielding a barrage of
questions from his girlfriend about the Lake Champlain Bolger
Messabout(a sure sign she's game for it!),here on the cold windswept
shores of the St.Lawrence............


--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...> wrote:
> I today received the plans for my first-experience project, Surf,
> from H.H. Payson and included were three letter-sized sheets
> of 'Building directions and key to plans'. The key numbers on the
> plans weren't in Bolger's practiced hand, and probably Payson's.
With
> the Cabin Clam Skiff direct from PCB&F no such thing was included --

> only two sheets of drawings for the original open Clam Skiff and
two
> sheets of drawings for the cabin modification. Maybe I should have
> ordered Work Skiff plans (Clam Skiff by any other name?) from
> Dynamite instead. They would have been cheaper and maybe have
> included the "few pages of building key" that you mention, Chris.
> Anyway, Surf comes first and in my mind's eye I can already see her
> clipper-bowed form taking the winds of Portage Inlet...
>
> John
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> > On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, John Ewing wrote:
> > > However, perhaps because I'm a first-time builder, I was taken
> aback
> > > by the apparent lack of detailing in such things as the forward
> edge
> > > of the sliding roof hatch (where one might have a problem with
> driven
> > > rain entering the cabin) and construction and fitting of the
cabin
> > > doors, front and back. Is it usual for the builder to have to
> design
> > > elements such as this for himself/herself?
> >
> > This is not unusual. There is almost always something one has to
> work out
> > for one's self in almost any plans (except the beginner's plans
that
> > arrive with full-size patterns and a book telling you how to do
> > everything).
> >
> > You might take a cue from the fact that if someone can fill a
book
> on how
> > to build a simple design (such as the 6-hour canoe), then a set
of
> plans
> > with a few pages of building key isn't really all there is.
> >
> > For your question, I know of no other better book than Fred
> Bingham's
> > delightful book "Boat Joinery and Cabinetmaking Simplified" which
> sells
> > for $25. I love the book--it's filled with pictures and
> explanations that
> > fill out one's knowledge to the point that one could examine a
> traditional
> > wooden boat or a modern one, and make a knowledgeable guess about
> the
> > quality of craftmanship throughout.
> >
> > It would certainly pay for itself in avoiding $25 worth of
mistakes.
> >
> > Chris Crandall crandall@u... (785) 864-4131
> > Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS
> 66045
> > I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine
hypothesis.
I today received the plans for my first-experience project, Surf,
from H.H. Payson and included were three letter-sized sheets
of 'Building directions and key to plans'. The key numbers on the
plans weren't in Bolger's practiced hand, and probably Payson's. With
the Cabin Clam Skiff direct from PCB&F no such thing was included --
only two sheets of drawings for the original open Clam Skiff and two
sheets of drawings for the cabin modification. Maybe I should have
ordered Work Skiff plans (Clam Skiff by any other name?) from
Dynamite instead. They would have been cheaper and maybe have
included the "few pages of building key" that you mention, Chris.
Anyway, Surf comes first and in my mind's eye I can already see her
clipper-bowed form taking the winds of Portage Inlet...

John

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, John Ewing wrote:
> > However, perhaps because I'm a first-time builder, I was taken
aback
> > by the apparent lack of detailing in such things as the forward
edge
> > of the sliding roof hatch (where one might have a problem with
driven
> > rain entering the cabin) and construction and fitting of the cabin
> > doors, front and back. Is it usual for the builder to have to
design
> > elements such as this for himself/herself?
>
> This is not unusual. There is almost always something one has to
work out
> for one's self in almost any plans (except the beginner's plans that
> arrive with full-size patterns and a book telling you how to do
> everything).
>
> You might take a cue from the fact that if someone can fill a book
on how
> to build a simple design (such as the 6-hour canoe), then a set of
plans
> with a few pages of building key isn't really all there is.
>
> For your question, I know of no other better book than Fred
Bingham's
> delightful book "Boat Joinery and Cabinetmaking Simplified" which
sells
> for $25. I love the book--it's filled with pictures and
explanations that
> fill out one's knowledge to the point that one could examine a
traditional
> wooden boat or a modern one, and make a knowledgeable guess about
the
> quality of craftmanship throughout.
>
> It would certainly pay for itself in avoiding $25 worth of mistakes.
>
> Chris Crandall crandall@u... (785) 864-4131
> Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS
66045
> I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
I bought Beuhler's book shortly after completing my teal two summers back.

There is no doubt that "Backyard Boat Building" paid for itself
during the construction of the light scooner.

YIBB,

David


>I happen to have Beuhler's book but I haven't looked at it for a
>spell. I'll dig it out again. Thanks for the advice.
>John
>
>--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "John S Harper" <jsharper@u...> wrote:
>> Another book you may want to consider is George Buehler's "Backyard
>> Boatbuilding."
>>
>> Bingham wouldn't recommend some of George's methods but George goes
>for the
>> minimum to get the job done.
>>
>> See :
>>http://www.georgebuehler.com
>>
I happen to have Beuhler's book but I haven't looked at it for a
spell. I'll dig it out again. Thanks for the advice.
John

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "John S Harper" <jsharper@u...> wrote:
> Another book you may want to consider is George Buehler's "Backyard
> Boatbuilding."
>
> Bingham wouldn't recommend some of George's methods but George goes
for the
> minimum to get the job done.
>
> See :
>http://www.georgebuehler.com
>
>
>
> Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> on 01/15/2001 11:58:04 AM
>
> Please respond tobolger@egroups.com
>
> To: Bolger eGroup <bolger@egroups.com>
> cc:
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Cabin Clam Skiff
>
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, John Ewing wrote:
> > However, perhaps because I'm a first-time builder, I was taken
aback
> > by the apparent lack of detailing in such things as the forward
edge
> > of the sliding roof hatch (where one might have a problem with
driven
> > rain entering the cabin) and construction and fitting of the cabin
> > doors, front and back. Is it usual for the builder to have to
design
> > elements such as this for himself/herself?
>
> This is not unusual. There is almost always something one has to
work out
> for one's self in almost any plans (except the beginner's plans that
> arrive with full-size patterns and a book telling you how to do
> everything).
>
> You might take a cue from the fact that if someone can fill a book
on how
> to build a simple design (such as the 6-hour canoe), then a set of
plans
> with a few pages of building key isn't really all there is.
>
> For your question, I know of no other better book than Fred
Bingham's
> delightful book "Boat Joinery and Cabinetmaking Simplified" which
sells
> for $25. I love the book--it's filled with pictures and
explanations that
> fill out one's knowledge to the point that one could examine a
traditional
> wooden boat or a modern one, and make a knowledgeable guess about
the
> quality of craftmanship throughout.
>
> It would certainly pay for itself in avoiding $25 worth of mistakes.
>
> Chris Crandall crandall@u... (785) 864-4131
> Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS
66045
> I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
Another book you may want to consider is George Buehler's "Backyard
Boatbuilding."

Bingham wouldn't recommend some of George's methods but George goes for the
minimum to get the job done.

See :
http://www.georgebuehler.com



Chris Crandall <crandall@...> on 01/15/2001 11:58:04 AM

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On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, John Ewing wrote:
> However, perhaps because I'm a first-time builder, I was taken aback
> by the apparent lack of detailing in such things as the forward edge
> of the sliding roof hatch (where one might have a problem with driven
> rain entering the cabin) and construction and fitting of the cabin
> doors, front and back. Is it usual for the builder to have to design
> elements such as this for himself/herself?

This is not unusual. There is almost always something one has to work out
for one's self in almost any plans (except the beginner's plans that
arrive with full-size patterns and a book telling you how to do
everything).

You might take a cue from the fact that if someone can fill a book on how
to build a simple design (such as the 6-hour canoe), then a set of plans
with a few pages of building key isn't really all there is.

For your question, I know of no other better book than Fred Bingham's
delightful book "Boat Joinery and Cabinetmaking Simplified" which sells
for $25. I love the book--it's filled with pictures and explanations that
fill out one's knowledge to the point that one could examine a traditional
wooden boat or a modern one, and make a knowledgeable guess about the
quality of craftmanship throughout.

It would certainly pay for itself in avoiding $25 worth of mistakes.

Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.



Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, John Ewing wrote:
> However, perhaps because I'm a first-time builder, I was taken aback
> by the apparent lack of detailing in such things as the forward edge
> of the sliding roof hatch (where one might have a problem with driven
> rain entering the cabin) and construction and fitting of the cabin
> doors, front and back. Is it usual for the builder to have to design
> elements such as this for himself/herself?

This is not unusual. There is almost always something one has to work out
for one's self in almost any plans (except the beginner's plans that
arrive with full-size patterns and a book telling you how to do
everything).

You might take a cue from the fact that if someone can fill a book on how
to build a simple design (such as the 6-hour canoe), then a set of plans
with a few pages of building key isn't really all there is.

For your question, I know of no other better book than Fred Bingham's
delightful book "Boat Joinery and Cabinetmaking Simplified" which sells
for $25. I love the book--it's filled with pictures and explanations that
fill out one's knowledge to the point that one could examine a traditional
wooden boat or a modern one, and make a knowledgeable guess about the
quality of craftmanship throughout.

It would certainly pay for itself in avoiding $25 worth of mistakes.

Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
This is true of the Dakota plans. also. The offsets, expansions,
dimensions, details, and building key are complete for the basic hull
which is about like the Clam Skiff (x 2). There were scale drawings for
the cabin with top and profile exterior and cutaway views, but no
dimensions. I guess he feels that if one makes it as far as completing
the basic hull, he should be able to scale dimensions from the drawings
and use the actually hull as a guide for most measurements.

With respect to constructing such things as hatches, doors, and
doorframes. I guess we just have to rely on standard procedures found in
any of the popular books on wooden boat construction:(Bud MacIntosh, Sam
Rabl, Reuel Parker, Sam Devlin, Chapman, etc). Even some cabinetmaking
books might help.

Suzanne Altenberger discussed this with me before I bought the plans.
She said that I would need to work out most of the cabin detail myself.
She said that a reasonable amount of answers to specific questions via
fax would be available at no additional charge, but that if I wanted
them to complete the plans in all respects that there would be
additional cost involved. I believe the cabins for these two boats were
originally drawn as "Bolger Cartoons" for clients who ended up not
ordering the finished product; so Bolger makes them available for not
much more than the cost of the plans for the open work boats.

I currently have completed my basic hull which languishes in my unheated
steel pole barn in northern Michigan with 3' snowdrifts in front of the
doors. We usually don't start getting 40°F nights here until at least
mid April, so I won't be doing any epoxy work for a while.

The Cabin Clam Skiff looks like a really practical and fun boat. Good luck.

Vince Chew
My breathlessly-awaited bluelines for the enclosed version of Clam/Work Skiff arrived today, accompanied by a nice note from PCB. However, perhaps because I'm a first-time builder, I was taken aback by the apparent lack of detailing in such things as the forward edge of the sliding roof hatch (where one might have a problem with driven rain entering the cabin) and construction and fitting of the cabin doors, front and back. Unfortunately, it appears no-one else has attempted this version as yet so it doesn't look as though I can benefit from someone else's direct experience. Is it usual for the builder to have to design elements such as this for himself/herself?
 
John in Victoria, still waiting for Surf from Dynamite Payson.
In a message dated 11/22/2000 8:<BR55:<BR51 PM
Eastern Standard ,sctree@...writes:> Look in the files now under
"Clam Skiff Cabin"


Yeeeeaaaaahhhh! There it is.

Thaks/Don
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...> wrote:
>There was a scan (from MAIB some time last spring, I believe) in
>the List Files but it doesn't appear to be there anymore.

I scanned and uploaded the subject drawing a month or so ago but it
looks like it got removed when the file space started getting tight.
If it's wanted again I can upload it.

Steve Hansen
Look in the files now under "Clam Skiff Cabin"

Rick

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...> wrote:
> There was a scan (from MAIB some time last spring, I believe) in
the
> List Files but it doesn't appear to be there anymore. Presumably
the
> back issue is available from MAIB but I find myself intimidated by
a
> lot of back-and-forth via snail mail anymore. Sure wish we could
> order online from MAIB...
> John
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, StepHydro@a... wrote:
> > Are there pictures of this boat on the web? I missed the first
part
> of the
> > thread where it might have come up.
> >
> > TIA/Step
There was a scan (from MAIB some time last spring, I believe) in the
List Files but it doesn't appear to be there anymore. Presumably the
back issue is available from MAIB but I find myself intimidated by a
lot of back-and-forth via snail mail anymore. Sure wish we could
order online from MAIB...
John

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, StepHydro@a... wrote:
> Are there pictures of this boat on the web? I missed the first part
of the
> thread where it might have come up.
>
> TIA/Step
Are there pictures of this boat on the web? I missed the first part of the
thread where it might have come up.

TIA/Step
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "John Ewing" <j.c.ewing@h...> wrote:
> George Fulk, have you ordered plans for the Cabin Clam Skiff from
PCB? Have you started to build it? Has anyone? Does anyone know the
trailer weight and the cabin head room? And what about Bantam 20-16?
Anyone with hands-on experience there?
> My (first) subscription hasn't come through yet for MAIB (it's been
a month now) but when it does I hope it will tell me how to order
back issues -- including write-ups on these two boats.
> John

I have the plans and am looking to start building this winter.
(Unless ski conditions are good.)

Haven't decided yet whether I want the cabin; I'm hoping someone else
will go first and tell us how he likes it. The cabin has sitting
headroom and a long centerline hatch that slides way back. Interior
space looks about like a minivan.

Wade Leftwich
Ithaca, NY
George Fulk, have you ordered plans for the Cabin Clam Skiff from PCB? Have you started to build it? Has anyone? Does anyone know the trailer weight and the cabin head room? And what about Bantam 20-16? Anyone with hands-on experience there?
My (first) subscription hasn't come through yet for MAIB (it's been a month now) but when it does I hope it will tell me how to order back issues -- including write-ups on these two boats.
John