Re: [bolger] System Three LPU Paints?
I used water base on my Wherry, but did not thin it. I think I gave it 2 coats
but only because I had a quart but I also did put it over primer. Doing small
area and tipping with foam brush is key. Also it takes some time to fully
harden, but once it is hard it is really hard. Clyde
Glen Gibson wrote:
but only because I had a quart but I also did put it over primer. Doing small
area and tipping with foam brush is key. Also it takes some time to fully
harden, but once it is hard it is really hard. Clyde
Glen Gibson wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with the water reduceable LPU paints put out
> by System Three? They would appear to be a great solution to painting my
> Micro, although not cheap. I'm willing to pay a little more for a great
> finish, and simple water cleanup. Any help appreciated.
>
> Also, System Three put their catalog and great epoxy book (although I ended
> up using Raka epoxy for my Micro, the System Three epoxy book is great, and
> really helps in learning to work with this stuff) up on their web site,
> check out
>
>http://www.systemthree.com/index.html
>
> and go to the literature section. Good reading, especially if you've never
> worked with epoxy before, or only in small amounts.
>
> I'm going to order the paint trial kit ($11) and do some tests, I'll report
> back what I find.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glen
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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At one point I was able to paint a car reasonably well with automotive
acrylic lacquer and almost as well with acrylic enamel. Imperfections in the
lacquer surface could be rubbed out, whereas I don't seem to recall that the
enamel could. After about the third or fourth car, I could produce a shiny
paint job with very few runs. Any thoughts on using these paints for boats?
The lacquer may not be sufficiently flexible, but I imagine the enamel would
work without the expense or toxic components of the two part preparations.
Regards, Warren
acrylic lacquer and almost as well with acrylic enamel. Imperfections in the
lacquer surface could be rubbed out, whereas I don't seem to recall that the
enamel could. After about the third or fourth car, I could produce a shiny
paint job with very few runs. Any thoughts on using these paints for boats?
The lacquer may not be sufficiently flexible, but I imagine the enamel would
work without the expense or toxic components of the two part preparations.
Regards, Warren
I haven't used water reducible LPU, but I've used the toxic variety, also
very thin, so here's my two bits. I found that rolling it on with a foam
roller the tipping it with a foam or polyester brush worked very well. I've
had several positive comments on the finish.
Cover only a small area with each roller load, and brush it immediately -- I
found that an area about 2' x 2' or just slightly more was the maximum I
could cover and brush before the paint started to tack -- I had about 20
seconds working time, and tried never to take a second stroke with the brush
over the same area. Also watch for drips, and roll/brush back over the wet
edge to eliminate a hard line.
Even for small corners and areas, a small 3" roller followed by the brush
will get into corners, and make a better job than using a brush alone.
LPU is costly and fussy, though -- I don't know for sure what I'd use if I
was to do it over. You want a warm, dust free environment. At the very
least, warm the paint to the recommended temperature so it flows properly.
Jamie Orr
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From:jboatguy@...[mailto:jboatguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:32 AM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: System Three LPU Paints?
They haven't worked for me, brushing them.
They clean up great, very, very easy, and that's good, because I had
to put on a lot of coats. They are easy to work with. After adding
the hardener it won't dry for several days in the pot, maybe more I
don't know, but it dries quickly once spread. But my experience is
they are thin, don't brush well, don't cover well, and multiple coats
don't help. I bought the red. I used 4 or more coats on my
waterline stripe, over a couple coats of pristinely prepared clear
epoxy, and you can still *easily* see wood grain through the red.
My advice, if you are going to use it make sure your surface is
primed, sanded, and pristine--and then spray. But I would think that
if you let your epoxy throughly dry, say 2 weeks, more in winter, you
could put pretty much anything over it, so why bother with LPU?
John
very thin, so here's my two bits. I found that rolling it on with a foam
roller the tipping it with a foam or polyester brush worked very well. I've
had several positive comments on the finish.
Cover only a small area with each roller load, and brush it immediately -- I
found that an area about 2' x 2' or just slightly more was the maximum I
could cover and brush before the paint started to tack -- I had about 20
seconds working time, and tried never to take a second stroke with the brush
over the same area. Also watch for drips, and roll/brush back over the wet
edge to eliminate a hard line.
Even for small corners and areas, a small 3" roller followed by the brush
will get into corners, and make a better job than using a brush alone.
LPU is costly and fussy, though -- I don't know for sure what I'd use if I
was to do it over. You want a warm, dust free environment. At the very
least, warm the paint to the recommended temperature so it flows properly.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From:jboatguy@...[mailto:jboatguy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:32 AM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: System Three LPU Paints?
They haven't worked for me, brushing them.
They clean up great, very, very easy, and that's good, because I had
to put on a lot of coats. They are easy to work with. After adding
the hardener it won't dry for several days in the pot, maybe more I
don't know, but it dries quickly once spread. But my experience is
they are thin, don't brush well, don't cover well, and multiple coats
don't help. I bought the red. I used 4 or more coats on my
waterline stripe, over a couple coats of pristinely prepared clear
epoxy, and you can still *easily* see wood grain through the red.
My advice, if you are going to use it make sure your surface is
primed, sanded, and pristine--and then spray. But I would think that
if you let your epoxy throughly dry, say 2 weeks, more in winter, you
could put pretty much anything over it, so why bother with LPU?
John
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Glen Gibson <glen@i...> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the water reduceable LPU
paints put out
> by System Three? They would appear to be a great solution to
painting my
> Micro, although not cheap. I'm willing to pay a little more for a
great
> finish, and simple water cleanup. Any help appreciated.
>
> Also, System Three put their catalog and great epoxy book (although
I ended
> up using Raka epoxy for my Micro, the System Three epoxy book is
great, and
> really helps in learning to work with this stuff) up on their web
site,
> check out
>
>http://www.systemthree.com/index.html
>
> and go to the literature section. Good reading, especially if
you've never
> worked with epoxy before, or only in small amounts.
>
> I'm going to order the paint trial kit ($11) and do some tests,
I'll report
> back what I find.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glen
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
Yea, I like the Sys 3 book too. Their techniques work well. When I
finally got around to trying their method for trowling on
prethickened epoxy, I was amazed at how well it worked (after a few
trials). I finished my Cartoppers bright, and needed a good 'fairing
compound'. The very beginning, and very end, of the nearly hull
length trowel run on each panel was a sticky, gooey mess!, but that
long middle section was close to perfect--thin, smooth, and pre-
faired with little sanding needed. And the messy ends were easily
dealt with by letting the epoxy dry to the plastic stage, and going
at it with a sharp hand plane.
John
finally got around to trying their method for trowling on
prethickened epoxy, I was amazed at how well it worked (after a few
trials). I finished my Cartoppers bright, and needed a good 'fairing
compound'. The very beginning, and very end, of the nearly hull
length trowel run on each panel was a sticky, gooey mess!, but that
long middle section was close to perfect--thin, smooth, and pre-
faired with little sanding needed. And the messy ends were easily
dealt with by letting the epoxy dry to the plastic stage, and going
at it with a sharp hand plane.
John
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Glen Gibson <glen@i...> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the water reduceable LPU
paints put out
> by System Three? They would appear to be a great solution to
painting my
> Micro, although not cheap. I'm willing to pay a little more for a
great
> finish, and simple water cleanup. Any help appreciated.
>
> Also, System Three put their catalog and great epoxy book (although
I ended
> up using Raka epoxy for my Micro, the System Three epoxy book is
great, and
> really helps in learning to work with this stuff) up on their web
site,
> check out
>
>http://www.systemthree.com/index.html
>
> and go to the literature section. Good reading, especially if
you've never
> worked with epoxy before, or only in small amounts.
>
> I'm going to order the paint trial kit ($11) and do some tests,
I'll report
> back what I find.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glen
They haven't worked for me, brushing them.
They clean up great, very, very easy, and that's good, because I had
to put on a lot of coats. They are easy to work with. After adding
the hardener it won't dry for several days in the pot, maybe more I
don't know, but it dries quickly once spread. But my experience is
they are thin, don't brush well, don't cover well, and multiple coats
don't help. I bought the red. I used 4 or more coats on my
waterline stripe, over a couple coats of pristinely prepared clear
epoxy, and you can still *easily* see wood grain through the red.
My advice, if you are going to use it make sure your surface is
primed, sanded, and pristine--and then spray. But I would think that
if you let your epoxy throughly dry, say 2 weeks, more in winter, you
could put pretty much anything over it, so why bother with LPU?
John
They clean up great, very, very easy, and that's good, because I had
to put on a lot of coats. They are easy to work with. After adding
the hardener it won't dry for several days in the pot, maybe more I
don't know, but it dries quickly once spread. But my experience is
they are thin, don't brush well, don't cover well, and multiple coats
don't help. I bought the red. I used 4 or more coats on my
waterline stripe, over a couple coats of pristinely prepared clear
epoxy, and you can still *easily* see wood grain through the red.
My advice, if you are going to use it make sure your surface is
primed, sanded, and pristine--and then spray. But I would think that
if you let your epoxy throughly dry, say 2 weeks, more in winter, you
could put pretty much anything over it, so why bother with LPU?
John
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Glen Gibson <glen@i...> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the water reduceable LPU
paints put out
> by System Three? They would appear to be a great solution to
painting my
> Micro, although not cheap. I'm willing to pay a little more for a
great
> finish, and simple water cleanup. Any help appreciated.
>
> Also, System Three put their catalog and great epoxy book (although
I ended
> up using Raka epoxy for my Micro, the System Three epoxy book is
great, and
> really helps in learning to work with this stuff) up on their web
site,
> check out
>
>http://www.systemthree.com/index.html
>
> and go to the literature section. Good reading, especially if
you've never
> worked with epoxy before, or only in small amounts.
>
> I'm going to order the paint trial kit ($11) and do some tests,
I'll report
> back what I find.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glen
Hi -
I have not had occasion to sit on them yet, as I have only had the
boat out on the water once for a motor test. As a plus, they are
great to have to set stuff on when building the boat. As a minus,
when on the trailer, they are about the right height to smack you in
the face, as they sit way out....
Hope that helps.
Mike
I have not had occasion to sit on them yet, as I have only had the
boat out on the water once for a motor test. As a plus, they are
great to have to set stuff on when building the boat. As a minus,
when on the trailer, they are about the right height to smack you in
the face, as they sit way out....
Hope that helps.
Mike
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
>
> > My project is onhttp://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/martha_jane/
>
> Do the sponsons make a good seat, if you want to get up high for a
> good view?
>
> P
In a message dated 12/5/2000 4:59:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pvanderw@...writes:
<< Do the sponsons make a good seat, if you want to get up high for a
good view? >>
Excellent - at least on one side. The port side has a problem with the tiller
being in the way - if you have the new dual rudders. Steve Anderson ( MJ
Landroval)
pvanderw@...writes:
<< Do the sponsons make a good seat, if you want to get up high for a
good view? >>
Excellent - at least on one side. The port side has a problem with the tiller
being in the way - if you have the new dual rudders. Steve Anderson ( MJ
Landroval)
> My project is onhttp://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/martha_jane/Do the sponsons make a good seat, if you want to get up high for a
good view?
Peter
Hi Glen -
I am using the paints from System Three and am satisfied. I like the
fact that they can be thinned and cleaned with water.
My project is on
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/martha_jane/
Mike
I am using the paints from System Three and am satisfied. I like the
fact that they can be thinned and cleaned with water.
My project is on
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/martha_jane/
Mike
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Glen Gibson <glen@i...> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the water reduceable LPU
paints put out
> by System Three? They would appear to be a great solution to
painting my
> Micro, although not cheap. I'm willing to pay a little more for a
great
> finish, and simple water cleanup. Any help appreciated.
>
> Also, System Three put their catalog and great epoxy book (although
I ended
> up using Raka epoxy for my Micro, the System Three epoxy book is
great, and
> really helps in learning to work with this stuff) up on their web
site,
> check out
>
>http://www.systemthree.com/index.html
>
> and go to the literature section. Good reading, especially if
you've never
> worked with epoxy before, or only in small amounts.
>
> I'm going to order the paint trial kit ($11) and do some tests,
I'll report
> back what I find.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glen
Does anyone have any experience with the water reduceable LPU paints put out
by System Three? They would appear to be a great solution to painting my
Micro, although not cheap. I'm willing to pay a little more for a great
finish, and simple water cleanup. Any help appreciated.
Also, System Three put their catalog and great epoxy book (although I ended
up using Raka epoxy for my Micro, the System Three epoxy book is great, and
really helps in learning to work with this stuff) up on their web site,
check out
http://www.systemthree.com/index.html
and go to the literature section. Good reading, especially if you've never
worked with epoxy before, or only in small amounts.
I'm going to order the paint trial kit ($11) and do some tests, I'll report
back what I find.
Thanks,
Glen
by System Three? They would appear to be a great solution to painting my
Micro, although not cheap. I'm willing to pay a little more for a great
finish, and simple water cleanup. Any help appreciated.
Also, System Three put their catalog and great epoxy book (although I ended
up using Raka epoxy for my Micro, the System Three epoxy book is great, and
really helps in learning to work with this stuff) up on their web site,
check out
http://www.systemthree.com/index.html
and go to the literature section. Good reading, especially if you've never
worked with epoxy before, or only in small amounts.
I'm going to order the paint trial kit ($11) and do some tests, I'll report
back what I find.
Thanks,
Glen