Re: windsprint v. surf (and general first building)
From your stated requirements, I'm surprised no one has suggested the
Brick. It is not fast, but it is very comfortable for two large
adults, and it looks like it would handle an additional two kids
easily. I have had two very active kids in mine with no trouble (but
only one adult). The kids preferred it to their family's 18 ft
fiberglass boat! Our brick was made from luan (I'd have used something
else, though so far so good) and is easily cartoppable by two people.
A little awkward for one, but if I figure out how to carry it it might
be ok. Weighs something like 72 lbs stripped. I think the sail rig is
the same as many of Bolger's other boats. Doesn't come with a reefing
setup, but it's stable enough that it would have to be pretty windy to
be a problem. Had it out in over 20 mph early on. If not for a rigging
problem I think we could have sailed it. No concern about capsizing,
just how to get the end of the boom over the sheet amidst all that
flapping. We rowed back about a mile. A slog but feasible if you know
how to row. I sat down on a bucket (I think) instead of standing.
If you are small people I'll bet you could take several inches off the
beam to make it lighter and maybe faster.
I think there are some links for the Brick associated with this list.
Not really following this list all the time these days, so email
direct if you have any questions.
Brick. It is not fast, but it is very comfortable for two large
adults, and it looks like it would handle an additional two kids
easily. I have had two very active kids in mine with no trouble (but
only one adult). The kids preferred it to their family's 18 ft
fiberglass boat! Our brick was made from luan (I'd have used something
else, though so far so good) and is easily cartoppable by two people.
A little awkward for one, but if I figure out how to carry it it might
be ok. Weighs something like 72 lbs stripped. I think the sail rig is
the same as many of Bolger's other boats. Doesn't come with a reefing
setup, but it's stable enough that it would have to be pretty windy to
be a problem. Had it out in over 20 mph early on. If not for a rigging
problem I think we could have sailed it. No concern about capsizing,
just how to get the end of the boom over the sheet amidst all that
flapping. We rowed back about a mile. A slog but feasible if you know
how to row. I sat down on a bucket (I think) instead of standing.
If you are small people I'll bet you could take several inches off the
beam to make it lighter and maybe faster.
I think there are some links for the Brick associated with this list.
Not really following this list all the time these days, so email
direct if you have any questions.
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Roger Vail" <rogerva@h...> wrote:
> I'm still at the poring-over-designs stage of my first boatbuilding
> project. I'm looking for something cartoppable that can handle most
> combinations of two adults and two small children, with all four
> being the unusual maximum, undertaken in none but ideal conditions.
> Normally we'd find one adult and one child or two adults the
> configuration of choice. The locale is a bay completely protected by
> barrier beach, with many fingers into marshland.
>
> It seems, from what I'm reading here, that windsprint or surf would
> be the minimum acceptable configuration that would meet the capacity
> requirements while still offering a simple first-time-building
> experience.
>
> What is the difference between these two designs? What are the
> strengths of each relative to the other?
>
> Thanks
> Roger
>
> P.S. If I'm misjudging the the capacity of either design, please
> shout it out. If a square stern would make a huge difference, say
so;
> June bug aficionados speak up!
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<< Subj: [bolger] Re: windsprint v. surf (and general first building)
Date: 12/16/00 6:04:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
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<< Subj: [bolger] Re: windsprint v. surf (and general first building)
Date: 12/16/00 6:04:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
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--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Roger Vail" <rogerva@h...> wrote:
> I'm still at the poring-over-designs stage of my first boatbuilding
> project. I'm looking for something cartoppable that can handle most
> combinations of two adults and two small children, with all four
> being the unusual maximum, undertaken in none but ideal conditions.
> Normally we'd find one adult and one child or two adults the
> configuration of choice. The locale is a bay completely protected
by
> barrier beach, with many fingers into marshland.
>
> It seems, from what I'm reading here, that windsprint or surf would
> be the minimum acceptable configuration that would meet the
capacity
> requirements while still offering a simple first-time-building
> experience.
What is the difference between these two designs? What are the
> strengths of each relative to the other?
>
> Thanks
> Roger
>
Roger,
I built and sail a Windsprint, which I modified a little by adding some
decking and using half inch ply for the bottom.
I also use a different sail plan because I found the balanced lug sail to be
a bit much.
Having said all that, my Windsprint is fast and easy to sail. It accomodates
two adults racing or just sailing around. It is also fun to singlehand. It is
not cartoppable.
I am looking into a smaller boat that can be easily cartopped because I think
that would allow for more sailing.
Mike Masten
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--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Roger Vail" <rogerva@h...> wrote:
I built Surf, and I regularly sail her with one other adult on the
Mississippi in the main channel, where waves are commonly two feet,
and sometimes three feet. She actually is tamer and more predictable
with the extra weight of the second person. I think you could easily
add a child, but it would be "cozy". I've never shortened the sail,
and I've never felt like I was going to be blown over, though I've
lost control of the boat a couple of times, (the last time, I was
blown a quarter of a mile while trying to hoist sail,..then wound up
in a stump field..weeeehaaaa..and as usual there were plenty of
observers to see the mayhem). I've even taken one other adult, and
some camping gear in my surf. The windsprint looks a little
faster,..but the surf is plenty fast, (faster than it looks at
least). Surf rows really well too, and I like the rowing seat
arrangement,..though I can't speak for the rowability of Windsprint.
You mentioned cartopping. I cartop mine, and it works out ok. I
built mine of 3/8 southern pine plywood, and it is heavy to lift on
to my cartop,..even for two men. I think the plan called for 1/4
however, so you might wind up with a much lighter boat.
Roger,..one more observation; I spent more time scratching my head
while trying to figure which boat to build, than I did actually
building Surf! What finally made up my mind was the fact that Surf's
sailing rig can be used on at least three Bolger boats, and I think
some of the other parts may be interchangable as well. I can just
swap rigs If I ever build either of the other two boats. Voila!
Good luck,..Dean your green bean.
What is the difference between these two designs? What are the
> I'm still at the poring-over-designs stage of my first boatbuildingby
> project. I'm looking for something cartoppable that can handle most
> combinations of two adults and two small children, with all four
> being the unusual maximum, undertaken in none but ideal conditions.
> Normally we'd find one adult and one child or two adults the
> configuration of choice. The locale is a bay completely protected
> barrier beach, with many fingers into marshland.capacity
>
> It seems, from what I'm reading here, that windsprint or surf would
> be the minimum acceptable configuration that would meet the
> requirements while still offering a simple first-time-buildingHi Roger,
> experience.
>
I built Surf, and I regularly sail her with one other adult on the
Mississippi in the main channel, where waves are commonly two feet,
and sometimes three feet. She actually is tamer and more predictable
with the extra weight of the second person. I think you could easily
add a child, but it would be "cozy". I've never shortened the sail,
and I've never felt like I was going to be blown over, though I've
lost control of the boat a couple of times, (the last time, I was
blown a quarter of a mile while trying to hoist sail,..then wound up
in a stump field..weeeehaaaa..and as usual there were plenty of
observers to see the mayhem). I've even taken one other adult, and
some camping gear in my surf. The windsprint looks a little
faster,..but the surf is plenty fast, (faster than it looks at
least). Surf rows really well too, and I like the rowing seat
arrangement,..though I can't speak for the rowability of Windsprint.
You mentioned cartopping. I cartop mine, and it works out ok. I
built mine of 3/8 southern pine plywood, and it is heavy to lift on
to my cartop,..even for two men. I think the plan called for 1/4
however, so you might wind up with a much lighter boat.
Roger,..one more observation; I spent more time scratching my head
while trying to figure which boat to build, than I did actually
building Surf! What finally made up my mind was the fact that Surf's
sailing rig can be used on at least three Bolger boats, and I think
some of the other parts may be interchangable as well. I can just
swap rigs If I ever build either of the other two boats. Voila!
Good luck,..Dean your green bean.
What is the difference between these two designs? What are the
> strengths of each relative to the other?so;
>
> Thanks
> Roger
>
> P.S. If I'm misjudging the the capacity of either design, please
> shout it out. If a square stern would make a huge difference, say
> June bug aficionados speak up!
Roger,
I agree with the guy who suggested the Featherwind design (I
forgot to check his name). She's a good design, easy to build, and
will carry your family.
I have a Surf, and she is a great boat, but might be a little
tight for your maximum capacity. She has plenty of room for two
adults and one kid. But you, of course, realize that those kids grow
pretty fast! The Surf sails like a witch, and rows equally well.
Windsprint is bigger than Surf, and would be fine for you.
However, the double ended design makes her smaller than Featherwind.
Another design you might look at is Oldshoe. She'll have plenty of
space, sail well, and has a nice cargo hatch. She'll be more
expensive than the other boats, however.
I think June Bug would be fine as a rowing boat only. She doesn't
have a great sailing shape. With your load, I think she'll be
underpowered under sail, but will definitely handle the weight.
All these boats are a cinch to build.
Take care,
Pete Reynolds
I agree with the guy who suggested the Featherwind design (I
forgot to check his name). She's a good design, easy to build, and
will carry your family.
I have a Surf, and she is a great boat, but might be a little
tight for your maximum capacity. She has plenty of room for two
adults and one kid. But you, of course, realize that those kids grow
pretty fast! The Surf sails like a witch, and rows equally well.
Windsprint is bigger than Surf, and would be fine for you.
However, the double ended design makes her smaller than Featherwind.
Another design you might look at is Oldshoe. She'll have plenty of
space, sail well, and has a nice cargo hatch. She'll be more
expensive than the other boats, however.
I think June Bug would be fine as a rowing boat only. She doesn't
have a great sailing shape. With your load, I think she'll be
underpowered under sail, but will definitely handle the weight.
All these boats are a cinch to build.
Take care,
Pete Reynolds
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Roger Vail" <rogerva@h...> wrote:
> I'm still at the poring-over-designs stage of my first boatbuilding
> project. I'm looking for something cartoppable that can handle most
> combinations of two adults and two small children, with all four
> being the unusual maximum, undertaken in none but ideal conditions.
> Normally we'd find one adult and one child or two adults the
> configuration of choice. The locale is a bay completely protected
by
> barrier beach, with many fingers into marshland.
>
> It seems, from what I'm reading here, that windsprint or surf would
> be the minimum acceptable configuration that would meet the
capacity
> requirements while still offering a simple first-time-building
> experience.
>
> What is the difference between these two designs? What are the
> strengths of each relative to the other?
>
> Thanks
> Roger
>
> P.S. If I'm misjudging the the capacity of either design, please
> shout it out. If a square stern would make a huge difference, say
so;
> June bug aficionados speak up!
Roger,
I suggest that you take a look at:
http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/sailboat.html
This is a Bolger design that has been somewhat
simplified in construction. The plans and information furnished are perfect
for a first time builder. in addition to the plans, which are very complete
and include some full size parts, you get 25 or 30 pages of extremely
valuable information on tools, epoxy, general how to, etc. All for 20
bucks!. No, I dont have stock in his company, I'm just a very satisfied
purchaser.
James Fuller
I suggest that you take a look at:
http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/sailboat.html
This is a Bolger design that has been somewhat
simplified in construction. The plans and information furnished are perfect
for a first time builder. in addition to the plans, which are very complete
and include some full size parts, you get 25 or 30 pages of extremely
valuable information on tools, epoxy, general how to, etc. All for 20
bucks!. No, I dont have stock in his company, I'm just a very satisfied
purchaser.
James Fuller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Vail" <rogerva@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:31 AM
Subject: [bolger] windsprint v. surf (and general first building)
> I'm still at the poring-over-designs stage of my first boatbuilding
> project. I'm looking for something cartoppable that can handle most
> combinations of two adults and two small children, with all four
> being the unusual maximum, undertaken in none but ideal conditions.
> Normally we'd find one adult and one child or two adults the
> configuration of choice. The locale is a bay completely protected by
> barrier beach, with many fingers into marshland.
>
> It seems, from what I'm reading here, that windsprint or surf would
> be the minimum acceptable configuration that would meet the capacity
> requirements while still offering a simple first-time-building
> experience.
>
> What is the difference between these two designs? What are the
> strengths of each relative to the other?
>
> Thanks
> Roger
>
> P.S. If I'm misjudging the the capacity of either design, please
> shout it out. If a square stern would make a huge difference, say so;
> June bug aficionados speak up!
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>
>
>
I'm still at the poring-over-designs stage of my first boatbuilding
project. I'm looking for something cartoppable that can handle most
combinations of two adults and two small children, with all four
being the unusual maximum, undertaken in none but ideal conditions.
Normally we'd find one adult and one child or two adults the
configuration of choice. The locale is a bay completely protected by
barrier beach, with many fingers into marshland.
It seems, from what I'm reading here, that windsprint or surf would
be the minimum acceptable configuration that would meet the capacity
requirements while still offering a simple first-time-building
experience.
What is the difference between these two designs? What are the
strengths of each relative to the other?
Thanks
Roger
P.S. If I'm misjudging the the capacity of either design, please
shout it out. If a square stern would make a huge difference, say so;
June bug aficionados speak up!
project. I'm looking for something cartoppable that can handle most
combinations of two adults and two small children, with all four
being the unusual maximum, undertaken in none but ideal conditions.
Normally we'd find one adult and one child or two adults the
configuration of choice. The locale is a bay completely protected by
barrier beach, with many fingers into marshland.
It seems, from what I'm reading here, that windsprint or surf would
be the minimum acceptable configuration that would meet the capacity
requirements while still offering a simple first-time-building
experience.
What is the difference between these two designs? What are the
strengths of each relative to the other?
Thanks
Roger
P.S. If I'm misjudging the the capacity of either design, please
shout it out. If a square stern would make a huge difference, say so;
June bug aficionados speak up!