Re: [bolger] Re: small cruisers in Jan. Sail Magazine
Peter,
Thanks for straightening my, who wrote what confusion. Sinister deed,
indeed, if that is how you describe it, I don't think your doing it
right. ;-) But I can only say that from memory. My alternative sources
of heat, these days are the fireplace and electric blanket.
Next item, last winter, your postings always made me feel good, as to
how much worse the weather was, "on the banks of the St. Lawrence", than
it was here. This winter, thus far, I get no solace from your postings.
In the past two weeks we have had snow upon snow, all following an ice
storm. Temps around 0 to 6 F. at night and a good day it may get up to
the low twenties.
Lastly, but at least, "on topic" the Snow Goose. I am sorry (but
wiser) to have to announce, she has had her tail feathers clipped! The
paddle wheel, with its' supports, pillow blocks, shaft, framing, and
blades came out to being way too heavy to hang as far out on the stern,
as it would have to go. The rocker in the Micro's bottom just wouldn't
float that amount of weight that far astern without having her bow
pointing toward the sky. So, on to plan two;
I have found a lower unit from a twenty five horse power Johnson
outboard, which I am mounting on the bottom where the rudder would have
gone. Aft of that, will be the new rudder, in the prop wash. Mounted
above it and flex coupled to it, in the motor well, will be a vertical
shaft, 11 HP, electric start, Briggs and Stratton lawn mower engine.
WOW, an inboard/outboard Micro, how cool is that? It will give me the
benefit of an inboard, with out having an engine using up space in the
cockpit or cabin. Needless to say the weight distribution will be 1000%
better than what is was working out to be with the paddle wheel. The
number of sheer pins I will need to carry for running in the river will
be placed forward to act as ballast. ;-)
More and more, I am starting to understand the old German saying of,
"we get too soon old and too late smart!" One thing I will add to your
extolling the virtues of boat building is, "the never ending learning
curve".
I wish all on the list, "All the best of the holiday season for you
and yours"
Stan,
Modification designer/re designer, of the shorter but cooler Snow Goose,
On the banks of the Missouri, wishing I were on the banks of the St.
Lawrence. (then there at least would be a reason for this foul weather)
Thanks for straightening my, who wrote what confusion. Sinister deed,
indeed, if that is how you describe it, I don't think your doing it
right. ;-) But I can only say that from memory. My alternative sources
of heat, these days are the fireplace and electric blanket.
Next item, last winter, your postings always made me feel good, as to
how much worse the weather was, "on the banks of the St. Lawrence", than
it was here. This winter, thus far, I get no solace from your postings.
In the past two weeks we have had snow upon snow, all following an ice
storm. Temps around 0 to 6 F. at night and a good day it may get up to
the low twenties.
Lastly, but at least, "on topic" the Snow Goose. I am sorry (but
wiser) to have to announce, she has had her tail feathers clipped! The
paddle wheel, with its' supports, pillow blocks, shaft, framing, and
blades came out to being way too heavy to hang as far out on the stern,
as it would have to go. The rocker in the Micro's bottom just wouldn't
float that amount of weight that far astern without having her bow
pointing toward the sky. So, on to plan two;
I have found a lower unit from a twenty five horse power Johnson
outboard, which I am mounting on the bottom where the rudder would have
gone. Aft of that, will be the new rudder, in the prop wash. Mounted
above it and flex coupled to it, in the motor well, will be a vertical
shaft, 11 HP, electric start, Briggs and Stratton lawn mower engine.
WOW, an inboard/outboard Micro, how cool is that? It will give me the
benefit of an inboard, with out having an engine using up space in the
cockpit or cabin. Needless to say the weight distribution will be 1000%
better than what is was working out to be with the paddle wheel. The
number of sheer pins I will need to carry for running in the river will
be placed forward to act as ballast. ;-)
More and more, I am starting to understand the old German saying of,
"we get too soon old and too late smart!" One thing I will add to your
extolling the virtues of boat building is, "the never ending learning
curve".
I wish all on the list, "All the best of the holiday season for you
and yours"
Stan,
Modification designer/re designer, of the shorter but cooler Snow Goose,
On the banks of the Missouri, wishing I were on the banks of the St.
Lawrence. (then there at least would be a reason for this foul weather)
Stan,
T'was I who was responding to David.....who I believe has his
hands well occuppied with completing his Micro.I would not wish to
encourage any delays or nasty little splinters in hard to reach
places just for sexual pleasures,various.In fact,it was the exquisite
pleasures available through the exercise of building ones own boat
that I was extolling and NOT that other sinister deed you refer
to,sex.
Having said that,however,I can attest to the fine insulating
properties of wood,at night,when it is cold and your mate is in the
appropriate state of mind to render the cold a fatal blow.
So,tarry no further and get your SNOW GOOSE launched so that we
can all see some nifty photos........unless it is much colder then I
thought where you are and your thoughts are filled with alternative
heat sources..;-D.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,with thoughts as pure as the driven snow that gathers
all around me,on the banks of the St.Lawrence.........
T'was I who was responding to David.....who I believe has his
hands well occuppied with completing his Micro.I would not wish to
encourage any delays or nasty little splinters in hard to reach
places just for sexual pleasures,various.In fact,it was the exquisite
pleasures available through the exercise of building ones own boat
that I was extolling and NOT that other sinister deed you refer
to,sex.
Having said that,however,I can attest to the fine insulating
properties of wood,at night,when it is cold and your mate is in the
appropriate state of mind to render the cold a fatal blow.
So,tarry no further and get your SNOW GOOSE launched so that we
can all see some nifty photos........unless it is much colder then I
thought where you are and your thoughts are filled with alternative
heat sources..;-D.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,with thoughts as pure as the driven snow that gathers
all around me,on the banks of the St.Lawrence.........
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Stan Muller <smuller@i...> wrote:
> David,
> Since, as you say, the sum is greater than its' parts, and you
extoll
> the virtues of sex, and your Micro. Why not combine the parts and
have
> sex IN your Micro. (although I do suggest you wait till spring)
> Happy Holidays, Stan, Snow Goose.
David,
Since, as you say, the sum is greater than its' parts, and you extoll
the virtues of sex, and your Micro. Why not combine the parts and have
sex IN your Micro. (although I do suggest you wait till spring)
Happy Holidays, Stan, Snow Goose.
Since, as you say, the sum is greater than its' parts, and you extoll
the virtues of sex, and your Micro. Why not combine the parts and have
sex IN your Micro. (although I do suggest you wait till spring)
Happy Holidays, Stan, Snow Goose.
Oops, Meant Erotic.:-}}}}}} Dean
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> David,__________________________________________________
> Save your ink,for they target a different
> audience then
> ours,those barbarians of uncouth manners and
> unspeakable habits!I
> would not wish to mingle and thus be sullied by
> their unsavoriness!
> Prefering instead to gently rise above the great
> unwashed masses of
> metooist,while slipping silently into the
> moist,epoxy coated realm of
> the Ibuiltitist.Ones pleasure is only heightened by
> the nearly
> intoxicating sense of accomplishment born of ones
> two hands as we
> stroke and shape each piece of wood that becomes
> warm under our
> ministrations.With growing eagerness,we
> push,tug,twist and bend until
> each piece fits snuggly against its'
> mate.Passionately,we fuss over
> each little detail until it is"right".With untiring
> devotion,we
> willing repeat small tasks and movements 'till the
> sum is greater
> then its' parts.In the end,we stand with shakey legs
> and beating
> heart as our little ship of dreams is lowered into
> her element.If we
> have a soul that is human,a tear or two may be
> released.Can sex be
> any better?
> Besides,I like my Micro too much as it is!
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,realizing that his girlfriend had
> better not read this
> or else it is going to be one long cold winter,here
> on the shores of
> the St.Lawrence...........
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "David Jost" <djost@m...>
> wrote:
> > Dear Group,
> > I am working on my letter to the editors of Sail
> magazine.
> In the
> > January issue there is an article that claims to
> compare a quintet
> of
> > "small cruisers": Marshall 22, Hunter 24, Capri
> 24, Precision 23,
> and
> > the Corsair F24. All of these boats have their
> vices and I did not
> see
> > one mention of Micro in the article at all.
> >
> > Marshall 22 - not trailerable, costs $50,000,
> doesn't point well,
> is
> > ridiculous to maintain
> >
> > Precision 23 - light air boat, doesn't go well in
> chop
> >
> > Hunter 24 - doesn't sail well with the board up,
> hard to rig
> >
> > F24 - this thing is nuts. $50,000 for a pocket
> rocket cruiser
> >
> > Hunter 24 - ???
> >
> > I think they should add Micro to the mix and
> compare cost per
> dollar.
> > Easy to rig and trailer, easy to maintain, sleeps
> 2 comfortably,
> > you catch my drift. Will sail in shallow water.
> easy to tow. . .
> need
> > I say more.
> >
> > David Jost "Boston"
> > www.ultranet.com/~djost/Micro.htm
>
>
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Sounds Sexist to me. You had better go take a cold
shower or just go stand outside for a little while.
hahahahahaahahh Dean
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shower or just go stand outside for a little while.
hahahahahaahahh Dean
---ellengaest@...wrote:
> David,__________________________________________________
> Save your ink,for they target a different
> audience then
> ours,those barbarians of uncouth manners and
> unspeakable habits!I
> would not wish to mingle and thus be sullied by
> their unsavoriness!
> Prefering instead to gently rise above the great
> unwashed masses of
> metooist,while slipping silently into the
> moist,epoxy coated realm of
> the Ibuiltitist.Ones pleasure is only heightened by
> the nearly
> intoxicating sense of accomplishment born of ones
> two hands as we
> stroke and shape each piece of wood that becomes
> warm under our
> ministrations.With growing eagerness,we
> push,tug,twist and bend until
> each piece fits snuggly against its'
> mate.Passionately,we fuss over
> each little detail until it is"right".With untiring
> devotion,we
> willing repeat small tasks and movements 'till the
> sum is greater
> then its' parts.In the end,we stand with shakey legs
> and beating
> heart as our little ship of dreams is lowered into
> her element.If we
> have a soul that is human,a tear or two may be
> released.Can sex be
> any better?
> Besides,I like my Micro too much as it is!
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,realizing that his girlfriend had
> better not read this
> or else it is going to be one long cold winter,here
> on the shores of
> the St.Lawrence...........
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "David Jost" <djost@m...>
> wrote:
> > Dear Group,
> > I am working on my letter to the editors of Sail
> magazine.
> In the
> > January issue there is an article that claims to
> compare a quintet
> of
> > "small cruisers": Marshall 22, Hunter 24, Capri
> 24, Precision 23,
> and
> > the Corsair F24. All of these boats have their
> vices and I did not
> see
> > one mention of Micro in the article at all.
> >
> > Marshall 22 - not trailerable, costs $50,000,
> doesn't point well,
> is
> > ridiculous to maintain
> >
> > Precision 23 - light air boat, doesn't go well in
> chop
> >
> > Hunter 24 - doesn't sail well with the board up,
> hard to rig
> >
> > F24 - this thing is nuts. $50,000 for a pocket
> rocket cruiser
> >
> > Hunter 24 - ???
> >
> > I think they should add Micro to the mix and
> compare cost per
> dollar.
> > Easy to rig and trailer, easy to maintain, sleeps
> 2 comfortably,
> > you catch my drift. Will sail in shallow water.
> easy to tow. . .
> need
> > I say more.
> >
> > David Jost "Boston"
> > www.ultranet.com/~djost/Micro.htm
>
>
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David,
Save your ink,for they target a different audience then
ours,those barbarians of uncouth manners and unspeakable habits!I
would not wish to mingle and thus be sullied by their unsavoriness!
Prefering instead to gently rise above the great unwashed masses of
metooist,while slipping silently into the moist,epoxy coated realm of
the Ibuiltitist.Ones pleasure is only heightened by the nearly
intoxicating sense of accomplishment born of ones two hands as we
stroke and shape each piece of wood that becomes warm under our
ministrations.With growing eagerness,we push,tug,twist and bend until
each piece fits snuggly against its' mate.Passionately,we fuss over
each little detail until it is"right".With untiring devotion,we
willing repeat small tasks and movements 'till the sum is greater
then its' parts.In the end,we stand with shakey legs and beating
heart as our little ship of dreams is lowered into her element.If we
have a soul that is human,a tear or two may be released.Can sex be
any better?
Besides,I like my Micro too much as it is!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,realizing that his girlfriend had better not read this
or else it is going to be one long cold winter,here on the shores of
the St.Lawrence...........
Save your ink,for they target a different audience then
ours,those barbarians of uncouth manners and unspeakable habits!I
would not wish to mingle and thus be sullied by their unsavoriness!
Prefering instead to gently rise above the great unwashed masses of
metooist,while slipping silently into the moist,epoxy coated realm of
the Ibuiltitist.Ones pleasure is only heightened by the nearly
intoxicating sense of accomplishment born of ones two hands as we
stroke and shape each piece of wood that becomes warm under our
ministrations.With growing eagerness,we push,tug,twist and bend until
each piece fits snuggly against its' mate.Passionately,we fuss over
each little detail until it is"right".With untiring devotion,we
willing repeat small tasks and movements 'till the sum is greater
then its' parts.In the end,we stand with shakey legs and beating
heart as our little ship of dreams is lowered into her element.If we
have a soul that is human,a tear or two may be released.Can sex be
any better?
Besides,I like my Micro too much as it is!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,realizing that his girlfriend had better not read this
or else it is going to be one long cold winter,here on the shores of
the St.Lawrence...........
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "David Jost" <djost@m...> wrote:
> Dear Group,
> I am working on my letter to the editors of Sail magazine.
In the
> January issue there is an article that claims to compare a quintet
of
> "small cruisers": Marshall 22, Hunter 24, Capri 24, Precision 23,
and
> the Corsair F24. All of these boats have their vices and I did not
see
> one mention of Micro in the article at all.
>
> Marshall 22 - not trailerable, costs $50,000, doesn't point well,
is
> ridiculous to maintain
>
> Precision 23 - light air boat, doesn't go well in chop
>
> Hunter 24 - doesn't sail well with the board up, hard to rig
>
> F24 - this thing is nuts. $50,000 for a pocket rocket cruiser
>
> Hunter 24 - ???
>
> I think they should add Micro to the mix and compare cost per
dollar.
> Easy to rig and trailer, easy to maintain, sleeps 2 comfortably,
> you catch my drift. Will sail in shallow water. easy to tow. . .
need
> I say more.
>
> David Jost "Boston"
> www.ultranet.com/~djost/Micro.htm
David
I, like you think that the article in Sail is ridiculous, but you have to
remember one thing. If you look through the magazine you will see
advertisements (full page usually) for all of the boats mentioned in the
article. If you look real close you will find only one small ad for
MacGregor in the classifies in the back of the magazine. Magazines like
sail are basically paid for by advertising not, I repeat not, by the
subscribers or purchaser of the magazine. This means that they push the
products of the advertisers. Sail does not make money off of people that
buy inexpensive boats. If they were really interested in the best pocket
cruisers they would have listed the West Wight Potter 15 and 19 and the
Nimble Boat Peep Hen, both excellent and inexpensive small cruises under 25
feet. I also think that the Mac 26x should have been on the list but like
the boats I mentioned above no full page advertisements therefore no
coverage.
Michael Surface
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I, like you think that the article in Sail is ridiculous, but you have to
remember one thing. If you look through the magazine you will see
advertisements (full page usually) for all of the boats mentioned in the
article. If you look real close you will find only one small ad for
MacGregor in the classifies in the back of the magazine. Magazines like
sail are basically paid for by advertising not, I repeat not, by the
subscribers or purchaser of the magazine. This means that they push the
products of the advertisers. Sail does not make money off of people that
buy inexpensive boats. If they were really interested in the best pocket
cruisers they would have listed the West Wight Potter 15 and 19 and the
Nimble Boat Peep Hen, both excellent and inexpensive small cruises under 25
feet. I also think that the Mac 26x should have been on the list but like
the boats I mentioned above no full page advertisements therefore no
coverage.
Michael Surface
>From: "David Jost" <djost@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] small cruisers in Jan. Sail Magazine
>Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:26:16 -0000
>
>Dear Group,
> I am working on my letter to the editors of Sail magazine. In the
>January issue there is an article that claims to compare a quintet of
>"small cruisers": Marshall 22, Hunter 24, Capri 24, Precision 23, and
>the Corsair F24. All of these boats have their vices and I did not see
>one mention of Micro in the article at all.
>
>Marshall 22 - not trailerable, costs $50,000, doesn't point well, is
>ridiculous to maintain
>
>Precision 23 - light air boat, doesn't go well in chop
>
>Hunter 24 - doesn't sail well with the board up, hard to rig
>
>F24 - this thing is nuts. $50,000 for a pocket rocket cruiser
>
>Hunter 24 - ???
>
>I think they should add Micro to the mix and compare cost per dollar.
>Easy to rig and trailer, easy to maintain, sleeps 2 comfortably,
>you catch my drift. Will sail in shallow water. easy to tow. . . need
>I say more.
>
>David Jost "Boston"
>www.ultranet.com/~djost/Micro.htm
>
>
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Dave,
Of course with each of these boats, you won't be building them.
Chuck C.
n a message dated 12/19/00 9:33:40 AM Pacific Standard Time,
djost@...writes:
<< I think they should add Micro to the mix and compare cost per dollar.
Easy to rig and trailer, easy to maintain, sleeps 2 comfortably,
you catch my drift. Will sail in shallow water. easy to tow. . . need
I say more.
David Jost "Boston" >>
Of course with each of these boats, you won't be building them.
Chuck C.
n a message dated 12/19/00 9:33:40 AM Pacific Standard Time,
djost@...writes:
<< I think they should add Micro to the mix and compare cost per dollar.
Easy to rig and trailer, easy to maintain, sleeps 2 comfortably,
you catch my drift. Will sail in shallow water. easy to tow. . . need
I say more.
David Jost "Boston" >>
On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, David Jost wrote:
2) Doesn't advertise in Sail.
Don't hold your breath!
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
> I think they should add Micro to the mix and compare cost per dollar.1) Can't be purchased new, except at high cost.
> Easy to rig and trailer, easy to maintain, sleeps 2 comfortably, you
> catch my drift. Will sail in shallow water. easy to tow. . . need I
> say more.
2) Doesn't advertise in Sail.
Don't hold your breath!
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
Dear Group,
I am working on my letter to the editors of Sail magazine. In the
January issue there is an article that claims to compare a quintet of
"small cruisers": Marshall 22, Hunter 24, Capri 24, Precision 23, and
the Corsair F24. All of these boats have their vices and I did not see
one mention of Micro in the article at all.
Marshall 22 - not trailerable, costs $50,000, doesn't point well, is
ridiculous to maintain
Precision 23 - light air boat, doesn't go well in chop
Hunter 24 - doesn't sail well with the board up, hard to rig
F24 - this thing is nuts. $50,000 for a pocket rocket cruiser
Hunter 24 - ???
I think they should add Micro to the mix and compare cost per dollar.
Easy to rig and trailer, easy to maintain, sleeps 2 comfortably,
you catch my drift. Will sail in shallow water. easy to tow. . . need
I say more.
David Jost "Boston"
www.ultranet.com/~djost/Micro.htm
I am working on my letter to the editors of Sail magazine. In the
January issue there is an article that claims to compare a quintet of
"small cruisers": Marshall 22, Hunter 24, Capri 24, Precision 23, and
the Corsair F24. All of these boats have their vices and I did not see
one mention of Micro in the article at all.
Marshall 22 - not trailerable, costs $50,000, doesn't point well, is
ridiculous to maintain
Precision 23 - light air boat, doesn't go well in chop
Hunter 24 - doesn't sail well with the board up, hard to rig
F24 - this thing is nuts. $50,000 for a pocket rocket cruiser
Hunter 24 - ???
I think they should add Micro to the mix and compare cost per dollar.
Easy to rig and trailer, easy to maintain, sleeps 2 comfortably,
you catch my drift. Will sail in shallow water. easy to tow. . . need
I say more.
David Jost "Boston"
www.ultranet.com/~djost/Micro.htm