Re: [bolger] Re: Butt blocks are trouble ( Hey Steve)
In a message dated 12/20/2000 11:51:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
freedem@...writes:
<< what is the thickness of the planking you joined with three layers >>
1/2 inch
freedem@...writes:
<< what is the thickness of the planking you joined with three layers >>
1/2 inch
Steve
what is the thickness of the planking you joined with three layers
thankyou
Jeffery
what is the thickness of the planking you joined with three layers
thankyou
Jeffery
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, hwal@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/20/2000 4:53:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mkrauss@m... writes:
>
> << I am glad to be a part of this eGroup because, up until now, I
have
> not had a place to vent my spleen about BUTT BLOCKS! >>
>
> I used fiberglass butt blocks on the MJ and am real pleased with the
outcome
> - you can't even tell where they are and they are strong. I did a
test panel
> first which I could not break over my knee. I always do an overkill
- and
> used 4". 6" and 12" tape on each side for each seam. It's plenty
strong.
> Steve And
Sounds like you had some bad luck. I've spoken in favour of butt blocks
before, so I won't repeat myself, but if anyone wants a second (differing)
opinion, its somewhere in the archives.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From:mkrauss@...[mailto:mkrauss@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 1:51 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Butt blocks are trouble
I've been reading some mixed reviews on using butt blocks to join
panels and I would like to share my experience to assist others to
decide whether to use them, scarf joints or seek other remedies. I
used butt blocks on the bottom, bilge and side panels of my Gypsy and
they caused several problems during the past eleven years. On the
bilge and side panels, flat areas occurred. The blocks themselves
have lots of open, end grain on four sides that wore poorly. They
chaffed underfoot and their painted finish cracked within the first
year. When I installed them, I clinched the nails, according to the
designer's instructions, but this process left a rough surface that
required wood filler. The filler also cracked and lifted the paint.
The worst part of the butt blocks was on the exterior of the hull.
Exactly opposite of the blocks, the glass crazed and cracked the
finish. It's as though the expansion and contraction of the
materials due to thermal changes causes the glass to split over the
blocks. Now these areas require fairly extensive maintenance:
grinding out the cracks, filling and repainting.
Aesthetically, they are disappointing. Functionally, they create
considerable maintenance issues. I'm sorry I didn't scarf my joints
instead.
I am glad to be a part of this eGroup because, up until now, I have
not had a place to vent my spleen about BUTT BLOCKS!
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
before, so I won't repeat myself, but if anyone wants a second (differing)
opinion, its somewhere in the archives.
Jamie Orr
-----Original Message-----
From:mkrauss@...[mailto:mkrauss@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 1:51 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Butt blocks are trouble
I've been reading some mixed reviews on using butt blocks to join
panels and I would like to share my experience to assist others to
decide whether to use them, scarf joints or seek other remedies. I
used butt blocks on the bottom, bilge and side panels of my Gypsy and
they caused several problems during the past eleven years. On the
bilge and side panels, flat areas occurred. The blocks themselves
have lots of open, end grain on four sides that wore poorly. They
chaffed underfoot and their painted finish cracked within the first
year. When I installed them, I clinched the nails, according to the
designer's instructions, but this process left a rough surface that
required wood filler. The filler also cracked and lifted the paint.
The worst part of the butt blocks was on the exterior of the hull.
Exactly opposite of the blocks, the glass crazed and cracked the
finish. It's as though the expansion and contraction of the
materials due to thermal changes causes the glass to split over the
blocks. Now these areas require fairly extensive maintenance:
grinding out the cracks, filling and repainting.
Aesthetically, they are disappointing. Functionally, they create
considerable maintenance issues. I'm sorry I didn't scarf my joints
instead.
I am glad to be a part of this eGroup because, up until now, I have
not had a place to vent my spleen about BUTT BLOCKS!
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
In a message dated 12/20/2000 4:53:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mkrauss@...writes:
<< I am glad to be a part of this eGroup because, up until now, I have
not had a place to vent my spleen about BUTT BLOCKS! >>
I used fiberglass butt blocks on the MJ and am real pleased with the outcome
- you can't even tell where they are and they are strong. I did a test panel
first which I could not break over my knee. I always do an overkill - and
used 4". 6" and 12" tape on each side for each seam. It's plenty strong.
Steve Anderson
mkrauss@...writes:
<< I am glad to be a part of this eGroup because, up until now, I have
not had a place to vent my spleen about BUTT BLOCKS! >>
I used fiberglass butt blocks on the MJ and am real pleased with the outcome
- you can't even tell where they are and they are strong. I did a test panel
first which I could not break over my knee. I always do an overkill - and
used 4". 6" and 12" tape on each side for each seam. It's plenty strong.
Steve Anderson
I've been reading some mixed reviews on using butt blocks to join
panels and I would like to share my experience to assist others to
decide whether to use them, scarf joints or seek other remedies. I
used butt blocks on the bottom, bilge and side panels of my Gypsy and
they caused several problems during the past eleven years. On the
bilge and side panels, flat areas occurred. The blocks themselves
have lots of open, end grain on four sides that wore poorly. They
chaffed underfoot and their painted finish cracked within the first
year. When I installed them, I clinched the nails, according to the
designer's instructions, but this process left a rough surface that
required wood filler. The filler also cracked and lifted the paint.
The worst part of the butt blocks was on the exterior of the hull.
Exactly opposite of the blocks, the glass crazed and cracked the
finish. It's as though the expansion and contraction of the
materials due to thermal changes causes the glass to split over the
blocks. Now these areas require fairly extensive maintenance:
grinding out the cracks, filling and repainting.
Aesthetically, they are disappointing. Functionally, they create
considerable maintenance issues. I'm sorry I didn't scarf my joints
instead.
I am glad to be a part of this eGroup because, up until now, I have
not had a place to vent my spleen about BUTT BLOCKS!
panels and I would like to share my experience to assist others to
decide whether to use them, scarf joints or seek other remedies. I
used butt blocks on the bottom, bilge and side panels of my Gypsy and
they caused several problems during the past eleven years. On the
bilge and side panels, flat areas occurred. The blocks themselves
have lots of open, end grain on four sides that wore poorly. They
chaffed underfoot and their painted finish cracked within the first
year. When I installed them, I clinched the nails, according to the
designer's instructions, but this process left a rough surface that
required wood filler. The filler also cracked and lifted the paint.
The worst part of the butt blocks was on the exterior of the hull.
Exactly opposite of the blocks, the glass crazed and cracked the
finish. It's as though the expansion and contraction of the
materials due to thermal changes causes the glass to split over the
blocks. Now these areas require fairly extensive maintenance:
grinding out the cracks, filling and repainting.
Aesthetically, they are disappointing. Functionally, they create
considerable maintenance issues. I'm sorry I didn't scarf my joints
instead.
I am glad to be a part of this eGroup because, up until now, I have
not had a place to vent my spleen about BUTT BLOCKS!