Re: [bolger] Re: Hull Identification Number
You do not need a MIN unless you plan to build boats for sale. I got
the package from the Coast Guard and all the rule listed in the small
boat builders site are for manufacture (ie people that are building for
resale) not for the home builder that is making the boat for his own use.
The HIN is usually given out by some state agency such as the department of
state, Department of motor vehicles for example. The number is usually only
required if the vessel is to be powered and is useful to have if you ever
sell the boat to someone else.
Michael Surface
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the package from the Coast Guard and all the rule listed in the small
boat builders site are for manufacture (ie people that are building for
resale) not for the home builder that is making the boat for his own use.
The HIN is usually given out by some state agency such as the department of
state, Department of motor vehicles for example. The number is usually only
required if the vessel is to be powered and is useful to have if you ever
sell the boat to someone else.
Michael Surface
>From: Stan Muller <smuller@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Hull Identification Number
>Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 12:47:51 -0600
>
>Lincoln,
> All the information in the pamphlet, That David spoke of can be found
>on this site;
>http://hometown.aol.com/spinners/index.html
> Ultimately, you will have to contact the Coast Guard for a MIC,
>(manufacture identification code) then contact your state, and get the
>form for issuing a HIN. (hull identification Number)
> Check out the site, it has it all there.
>Hope this helps, Happy New Year, And for all in New England, enjoy the
>snow. ;-)
>Stan, Snow Goose. Planning to do some tinkering on the boat, now that it
>is all the way up to 33 F.
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Most states require a HIN if your boat has gas or electric propulsion.
If you boat is is sail or row only then it is not required.
Michael Surface
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If you boat is is sail or row only then it is not required.
Michael Surface
>From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Re: Hull Identification Number
>Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:26:33 -0000
>
>Do you remember what criteria are used to determine who has to do
>this. I hate dealing with the bureacracy on stuff like this. Also, I
>have a boat with no HIN that I bought from another builder. In fact,
>my other projects were started by other builders. And I don't know if
>I have all my receipts, for that matter. Oh well.
>
>Thanks
>--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "David Jost" <djost@m...> wrote:
> > Stan,
> > I do not know if the process is the same for MO. But, in
> > Massachusetts, home builders can obtain a HIN by submitting their
> > receipts for materials to the Massachusetts Department of
>Recreational
> > Vehicles. They in turn supply the HIN and state registration
>number.
> > I will admit, that I have not done this for a number of years so
>the
> > process may be different now.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> > David Jost
>
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Lincoln,
All the information in the pamphlet, That David spoke of can be found
on this site;
http://hometown.aol.com/spinners/index.html
Ultimately, you will have to contact the Coast Guard for a MIC,
(manufacture identification code) then contact your state, and get the
form for issuing a HIN. (hull identification Number)
Check out the site, it has it all there.
Hope this helps, Happy New Year, And for all in New England, enjoy the
snow. ;-)
Stan, Snow Goose. Planning to do some tinkering on the boat, now that it
is all the way up to 33 F.
All the information in the pamphlet, That David spoke of can be found
on this site;
http://hometown.aol.com/spinners/index.html
Ultimately, you will have to contact the Coast Guard for a MIC,
(manufacture identification code) then contact your state, and get the
form for issuing a HIN. (hull identification Number)
Check out the site, it has it all there.
Hope this helps, Happy New Year, And for all in New England, enjoy the
snow. ;-)
Stan, Snow Goose. Planning to do some tinkering on the boat, now that it
is all the way up to 33 F.
I am posting the information from Safety Standards for Backyard
Builders in the files (formerly called the Vault) if there is enough
room. It is in adobe acrobat format. It is in a file called: Hull
Identification Numbers.
Builders in the files (formerly called the Vault) if there is enough
room. It is in adobe acrobat format. It is in a file called: Hull
Identification Numbers.
Lincoln,
by the way . . . I have found the Division of Recreation Vehicles
in Massachusetts have been very supportive of home builders, check
with the main department in Boston, or their branch in Worcester by
phone before you drive in town. . . or, take the T.
by the way . . . I have found the Division of Recreation Vehicles
in Massachusetts have been very supportive of home builders, check
with the main department in Boston, or their branch in Worcester by
phone before you drive in town. . . or, take the T.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> > David Jost
Lincoln,
In Massachusetts, you really do not have to worry about much if
you are not using a motor. You do not need state registration for
sailboats and paddle powered craft unless their is an auxilliary
engine. A few years ago, I bought an old beat up keel sloop that had
never been titled or registered, all I needed to show was a bill of
sale and then wait for the title to be processed.
The HIN is a slightly different matter. The US Coast Guard lays
out the process for assigning a HIN for a craft in their publication .
Safety Standards for Backyard Builders. I would pass this
information on to you, but I cannot find the publication in my
office (typical) This publication also has formulas for calculating
displacement, capacity, and floatation requirements. When I find the
pamphlet, I will post the info. The HIN helps identify your boat
after you sink and disappear. ouch.
Happy snowstorm
David Jost
In Massachusetts, you really do not have to worry about much if
you are not using a motor. You do not need state registration for
sailboats and paddle powered craft unless their is an auxilliary
engine. A few years ago, I bought an old beat up keel sloop that had
never been titled or registered, all I needed to show was a bill of
sale and then wait for the title to be processed.
The HIN is a slightly different matter. The US Coast Guard lays
out the process for assigning a HIN for a craft in their publication .
Safety Standards for Backyard Builders. I would pass this
information on to you, but I cannot find the publication in my
office (typical) This publication also has formulas for calculating
displacement, capacity, and floatation requirements. When I find the
pamphlet, I will post the info. The HIN helps identify your boat
after you sink and disappear. ouch.
Happy snowstorm
David Jost
Do you remember what criteria are used to determine who has to do
this. I hate dealing with the bureacracy on stuff like this. Also, I
have a boat with no HIN that I bought from another builder. In fact,
my other projects were started by other builders. And I don't know if
I have all my receipts, for that matter. Oh well.
Thanks
this. I hate dealing with the bureacracy on stuff like this. Also, I
have a boat with no HIN that I bought from another builder. In fact,
my other projects were started by other builders. And I don't know if
I have all my receipts, for that matter. Oh well.
Thanks
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "David Jost" <djost@m...> wrote:
> Stan,
> I do not know if the process is the same for MO. But, in
> Massachusetts, home builders can obtain a HIN by submitting their
> receipts for materials to the Massachusetts Department of
Recreational
> Vehicles. They in turn supply the HIN and state registration
number.
> I will admit, that I have not done this for a number of years so
the
> process may be different now.
>
> Good Luck,
> David Jost
I think that most of the process, other than collecting tax, is to prevent
one from getting a new hull id number for a stolen boat, and thus a new
identity. Clyde
Larry Barker wrote:
one from getting a new hull id number for a stolen boat, and thus a new
identity. Clyde
Larry Barker wrote:
> In Oregon we have a State Marine Board which handles licensing, etc.
> A sailboat over 12' needs to be registered. That requires a title
> which requires a hull ID. No sales tax here (yet).
In Oregon we have a State Marine Board which handles licensing, etc.
A sailboat over 12' needs to be registered. That requires a title
which requires a hull ID. No sales tax here (yet).
Despite several forms, the procedure was simple. It required mailing
your application for title off to the board. There's also a one-page
form specifically for home-built boats. They send you back something
requiring an inspection by a "marine law enforcement officer". This
turned out to be our local sheriff's marine patrol. Drove out, had a
nice, short chat (really) with a boating-oriented deputy and drove
home.
For the 2 or 3 of us in Oregon, the Marine Board has a web site
http://www.boatoregon.com/
with forms online at
http://www.boatoregon.com/Registration/regisforms.htm
They also have some good brocures online under
http://www.boatoregon.com/Library/Library.htm
You can also get them via snail mail - address on the web page.
I especially like (even at their HUGE PDF size)
* Boating Guide to the Lower Columbia & Willamette Rivers (5.6 mb)
* Boating in Oregon Coastal Waters (5.8 mb)
Best of luck. Too bad about having to talk to the DMV.
Larry Barker - Whose dear wife got him clamps for Christmas even tho
she wants him to be thinking about skiing.
A sailboat over 12' needs to be registered. That requires a title
which requires a hull ID. No sales tax here (yet).
Despite several forms, the procedure was simple. It required mailing
your application for title off to the board. There's also a one-page
form specifically for home-built boats. They send you back something
requiring an inspection by a "marine law enforcement officer". This
turned out to be our local sheriff's marine patrol. Drove out, had a
nice, short chat (really) with a boating-oriented deputy and drove
home.
For the 2 or 3 of us in Oregon, the Marine Board has a web site
http://www.boatoregon.com/
with forms online at
http://www.boatoregon.com/Registration/regisforms.htm
They also have some good brocures online under
http://www.boatoregon.com/Library/Library.htm
You can also get them via snail mail - address on the web page.
I especially like (even at their HUGE PDF size)
* Boating Guide to the Lower Columbia & Willamette Rivers (5.6 mb)
* Boating in Oregon Coastal Waters (5.8 mb)
Best of luck. Too bad about having to talk to the DMV.
Larry Barker - Whose dear wife got him clamps for Christmas even tho
she wants him to be thinking about skiing.
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Stan Muller <smuller@i...> wrote:
> Jeffery,
> Yes, I ran into the same thing, except it went like an Abbott and
> Costello routine:
> Me, At the DMV, "Do you assign Hull Identification Numbers?"
> She, At DMV, "for what"
Jeffery,
Yes, I ran into the same thing, except it went like an Abbott and
Costello routine:
Me, At the DMV, "Do you assign Hull Identification Numbers?"
She, At DMV, "for what"
Me, "for a boat, it's like a vin number on a car"
She, "you can't change a VIN number on a car"
Me, "I want one for a boat, that I built"
She, "boats don't have VIN numbers, cars have VIN numbers"
Me, "I know that, I need a hull identification Number"
She, "I don't know about that, let me look it up"
Me, "thanks"
She, after spending 10 minutes looking through a bunch of pamphlets, and
two phone calls, She came back and announced, "Now I know what your
talking about, in order to register a boat, you must have a state
policeman look at the boat and verify the number."
Me, "never mind, thanks"
So, then I turned to the only place that I know of, where there are
people with good sense, The Bolger list! here I got the information I
needed. ;-)
The paddle wheel, after much thought and work turned out to be too
much weight hung out that far aft. So on to plan two: a outboard lower
unit mounted where the rudder goes and the rudder moved toward the rear,
in the prop wash. The lower unit and prop assembly will be mounted on a
plywood hatch, large enough to be able to undo the fasteners, and lift
the whole assembly, up through the bottom, into the boat in order to
change sheer pins, etc.. Above the lower unit will be a electric start,
vertical shaft, Briggs and Stratton, flex coupled to the down shaft.
The design changes, that came about after reading the New Boat Pages;
The engine will be mounted so it can be lifted in and out, thus, It will
be portable equipment, and not an inboard. The fuel tanks are to be the
outboard type, I also am adding flotation in the form of two Martha
Jane (new design) Sponsons. As well as adding foam in the cabin
overhead.
I have yet to crunch the numbers, but in leu of the regulations on
Basic flotation, and level flotation, What previously was to be just
watertight compartments will now have air bags or foam in them.
All the best, Happy New Year, Stan, Snow Goose, mini motor cruiser.
PS, how bad can the taxes be; after all, it is just a 16 foot boat with
a used lawn mower engine. ;-)
Yes, I ran into the same thing, except it went like an Abbott and
Costello routine:
Me, At the DMV, "Do you assign Hull Identification Numbers?"
She, At DMV, "for what"
Me, "for a boat, it's like a vin number on a car"
She, "you can't change a VIN number on a car"
Me, "I want one for a boat, that I built"
She, "boats don't have VIN numbers, cars have VIN numbers"
Me, "I know that, I need a hull identification Number"
She, "I don't know about that, let me look it up"
Me, "thanks"
She, after spending 10 minutes looking through a bunch of pamphlets, and
two phone calls, She came back and announced, "Now I know what your
talking about, in order to register a boat, you must have a state
policeman look at the boat and verify the number."
Me, "never mind, thanks"
So, then I turned to the only place that I know of, where there are
people with good sense, The Bolger list! here I got the information I
needed. ;-)
The paddle wheel, after much thought and work turned out to be too
much weight hung out that far aft. So on to plan two: a outboard lower
unit mounted where the rudder goes and the rudder moved toward the rear,
in the prop wash. The lower unit and prop assembly will be mounted on a
plywood hatch, large enough to be able to undo the fasteners, and lift
the whole assembly, up through the bottom, into the boat in order to
change sheer pins, etc.. Above the lower unit will be a electric start,
vertical shaft, Briggs and Stratton, flex coupled to the down shaft.
The design changes, that came about after reading the New Boat Pages;
The engine will be mounted so it can be lifted in and out, thus, It will
be portable equipment, and not an inboard. The fuel tanks are to be the
outboard type, I also am adding flotation in the form of two Martha
Jane (new design) Sponsons. As well as adding foam in the cabin
overhead.
I have yet to crunch the numbers, but in leu of the regulations on
Basic flotation, and level flotation, What previously was to be just
watertight compartments will now have air bags or foam in them.
All the best, Happy New Year, Stan, Snow Goose, mini motor cruiser.
PS, how bad can the taxes be; after all, it is just a 16 foot boat with
a used lawn mower engine. ;-)
Stan
curious about the design decisions if you would not mind speaking on
it. Also did you add a padddlewheel( sternwheel?)
agree that the new builders page is neat and will go back to it
but thought I might add my experence. I built a 17 foot sailing
johnboat/canoe the dmv said that I had to invite a local police man
over to verifie the boat existed ( next time will drive the boat to
the dmv) likely because I'm not orginized enough to keep recipts
then valued it at $20,000 and taxed it for more than the 125 it had
cost to build including the 60 doller 5 horse engine. photos and
argueing droped the value to 400 because they said they had to tax me
for my labor in building it.
Jeffery
curious about the design decisions if you would not mind speaking on
it. Also did you add a padddlewheel( sternwheel?)
agree that the new builders page is neat and will go back to it
but thought I might add my experence. I built a 17 foot sailing
johnboat/canoe the dmv said that I had to invite a local police man
over to verifie the boat existed ( next time will drive the boat to
the dmv) likely because I'm not orginized enough to keep recipts
then valued it at $20,000 and taxed it for more than the 125 it had
cost to build including the 60 doller 5 horse engine. photos and
argueing droped the value to 400 because they said they had to tax me
for my labor in building it.
Jeffery
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Stan Muller <smuller@i...> wrote:
> Thanks All, For the info on the Hull Id. Numbers
> Apparently it was on the Rec. Boat building where I say the
thread on
> this subject.
> Special thanks to you Rich, for the URL. I would suggest anyone that
has
> not gone to this site, do it! It has all the answers to boat
> regulations, more than you want to know, if your anything like I am.
>http://hometown.aol.com/spinners/index.html
> It has caused some re-thinking of some of my design decisions.
> Thanks again, and Happy New year,
> Stan,
Thanks All, For the info on the Hull Id. Numbers
Apparently it was on the Rec. Boat building where I say the thread on
this subject.
Special thanks to you Rich, for the URL. I would suggest anyone that has
not gone to this site, do it! It has all the answers to boat
regulations, more than you want to know, if your anything like I am.
http://hometown.aol.com/spinners/index.html
It has caused some re-thinking of some of my design decisions.
Thanks again, and Happy New year,
Stan, Snow Goose.
Apparently it was on the Rec. Boat building where I say the thread on
this subject.
Special thanks to you Rich, for the URL. I would suggest anyone that has
not gone to this site, do it! It has all the answers to boat
regulations, more than you want to know, if your anything like I am.
http://hometown.aol.com/spinners/index.html
It has caused some re-thinking of some of my design decisions.
Thanks again, and Happy New year,
Stan, Snow Goose.
Hi Stan,
In Florida, we just bring our receipts to the same place (DMV) as
everyone else that registers a boat. They make copies of the receipts
and assign a hull number. Oh yeah, they take your money also. Once
you have the number, you have to permenatly attach it. I used a
soldering iron and burned it into the hull. Starboard side transom.
There is a web page that has alot of info about this, I will try to
find it and post the link.
Rich
In Florida, we just bring our receipts to the same place (DMV) as
everyone else that registers a boat. They make copies of the receipts
and assign a hull number. Oh yeah, they take your money also. Once
you have the number, you have to permenatly attach it. I used a
soldering iron and burned it into the hull. Starboard side transom.
There is a web page that has alot of info about this, I will try to
find it and post the link.
Rich
> How do I get, or make up, or what ever, a Hull IdentificationNumber
> for the Snow Goose?
Stan,
I do not know if the process is the same for MO. But, in
Massachusetts, home builders can obtain a HIN by submitting their
receipts for materials to the Massachusetts Department of Recreational
Vehicles. They in turn supply the HIN and state registration number.
I will admit, that I have not done this for a number of years so the
process may be different now.
Good Luck,
David Jost
I do not know if the process is the same for MO. But, in
Massachusetts, home builders can obtain a HIN by submitting their
receipts for materials to the Massachusetts Department of Recreational
Vehicles. They in turn supply the HIN and state registration number.
I will admit, that I have not done this for a number of years so the
process may be different now.
Good Luck,
David Jost
Hi All and Happy New Year,
I think this has been covered on the list before, But I don't
remember the out come, or the thread.
How do I get, or make up, or what ever, a Hull Identification Number
for the Snow Goose?
Thanks for the help,
Stan, much modified (inboard) mini motor cruiser, Snow Goose, Praying
for spring, or at least a day above freezing, here on the frozen mud
filled Mighty Mo.
I think this has been covered on the list before, But I don't
remember the out come, or the thread.
How do I get, or make up, or what ever, a Hull Identification Number
for the Snow Goose?
Thanks for the help,
Stan, much modified (inboard) mini motor cruiser, Snow Goose, Praying
for spring, or at least a day above freezing, here on the frozen mud
filled Mighty Mo.
In some states you'll receive your boat registration and in the area
that is to have the HIN it will be blank. If that is the case you must
contact them again (you can do this by e-mail) and request to get that
number. They will generally let you assign your own number. There is a
coast guard pamphlet with guide lines for coming up with that number, I use
the first part of my ssn for the first part and part of it with my birth
date,for positive identifacation. It must also have letters assigned to
indicate its home built.
The HIN numbers can be hand written with a waterproof ink and coated
over with epoxy. The only requirement is that it can be detected if any
attempt has been made to removed the original number. The free SG pamphlet
tells where to put that number. I gave a more detailed description on
rec.boatbuilding awhile ago on this same topic, you could look it up there
if you like.Don
that is to have the HIN it will be blank. If that is the case you must
contact them again (you can do this by e-mail) and request to get that
number. They will generally let you assign your own number. There is a
coast guard pamphlet with guide lines for coming up with that number, I use
the first part of my ssn for the first part and part of it with my birth
date,for positive identifacation. It must also have letters assigned to
indicate its home built.
The HIN numbers can be hand written with a waterproof ink and coated
over with epoxy. The only requirement is that it can be detected if any
attempt has been made to removed the original number. The free SG pamphlet
tells where to put that number. I gave a more detailed description on
rec.boatbuilding awhile ago on this same topic, you could look it up there
if you like.Don
----- Original Message -----
From: <thedemings@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 6:41 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Hull Identification Number
> Hi Stan,
> In Florida, we just bring our receipts to the same place (DMV) as
> everyone else that registers a boat. They make copies of the receipts
> and assign a hull number. Oh yeah, they take your money also. Once
> you have the number, you have to permenatly attach it. I used a
> soldering iron and burned it into the hull. Starboard side transom.
>
> There is a web page that has alot of info about this, I will try to
> find it and post the link.
>
> Rich
>
> > How do I get, or make up, or what ever, a Hull Identification
> Number
> > for the Snow Goose?
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
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