Re: [bolger] Beyond Teal - next project (was Re: Teal or Surf?)

> Any other designs folks know of that might meet the current set of
> requirements?
>

Gee, let me think, how about a Micro?
Stan, S.G.

Don't forget to look at Michalak's offerings, too. Some mighty fine boats in
your size range...AF3, e.g.

Cheers/Step

In a message dated 01/03/2001 9:<BR49:<BR04 AM
Eastern Standard ,oswald@...writes:> The List of Bolger
designs that I think might be close are:

> Chebacco
> Black Skimmer
> Martha Jane
>
> Any other designs folks know of that might meet the current set of
> requirements?

>>none of the
> normal "instant boats" look like they would be comfortable in 1 ft
> waves.<<

They may not look it, but at least some of them are. I have 2
Cartoppers and sail them in the Carquinez Straits/Delta area of
Northern CA. They laugh at 1 foot waves. I've never taken anything
but a spongefull of water from powerboat wakes (and that only in a
calm when I took a breaking wave over the side from a huge and rudely
handled cruiser), and over 99% of the time they take no water at
all. I used to sail an old wooden Snipe on the Chesepeake out of the
Severn River. The Snipe would take solid water over her bow
regularly when pressed hard. Cartopper never has, not even close,
not even close to close. I got a lot wetter in the Snipe then I get
in Cartopper. If you want to go bigger, fine, but don't do it solely
because the little boats don't look like they can handle the bay.

By the way Cartoppper is comfortable with 2 aboard for reasonable
periods of time, and will handle 4 in flat water, if one of the 4 is
small. See picture in the files.

John

> Noticed that a Coleman 12-pack cooler is almost exactly the same

size

> as the removable rowing seat....
>
> One advantage to the Teal is that I can carry it alone. Makes for
> a lot of strange looks at the boat ramp.
>
> Seriously though. I live between the Chesapeake Bay and Patuxent
> River. I built a Teal, and while it is fun to take out on the river
> with my son, ( 2 years old, ~25 lbs ) it is a little small for my
> wife's comfort. And on the bay, it is just an adventure. The

average

> summer conditions on the bay are winds 5-10 knots, waves 1/2 - 1
> foot. It's the waves that make me nervous, especially when they get
> over 1 ft. Combined with boat or PWC wakes, they are

inspirational.

> Breaking waves are scary in a Teal.
>
>
>
> I am therefore thinking of building bigger. Way Bigger: none of the
> normal "instant boats" look like they would be comfortable in 1 ft
> waves.
>
> Currently the requirements list is:
> * Confortable in 1 foot waves,
> * Can allow use of a head in privacy while underway
> (right now my son calls the bailing bucket the
> "boat potty" )
> * nominally trailerable (but won't be an embarrasement
> to keep in a slip)
> * controlled from an open cockpit ( "birdwatcher"
> cabins look unconfortable to me - too hot).
> * Single-handed operation
>
>
> The List of Bolger designs that I think might be close are:
> Chebacco
> Black Skimmer
> Martha Jane
>
> Any other designs folks know of that might meet the current set of
> requirements?
>
> DGO

Another good choice might be Micro, if the fixed 18" draft isn't too much of a problem on the Bay. You could also consider some of Jim Michalak's boats, too. In the 20' range, you could build a Frolic2 or an AF2. Their cabins would allow semi-privacy for someone using the head.

JB



DGO Wrote:
Currently the requirements list is:
* Confortable in 1 foot waves,
* Can allow use of a head in privacy while underway
(right now my son calls the bailing bucket the
"boat potty" )
* nominally trailerable (but won't be an embarrasement
to keep in a slip)
* controlled from an open cockpit ( "birdwatcher"
cabins look unconfortable to me - too hot).
* Single-handed operation


The List of Bolger designs that I think might be close are:
Chebacco
Black Skimmer
Martha Jane

Any other designs folks know of that might meet the current set of
requirements?

DGO







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> > If you do Surf...you won't regret it. However, if you build Teal,
> every time
> > you want to take an extra cooler along, you'll wish you'd.....

Noticed that a Coleman 12-pack cooler is almost exactly the same size
as the removable rowing seat....

One advantage to the Teal is that I can carry it alone. Makes for
a lot of strange looks at the boat ramp.

Seriously though. I live between the Chesapeake Bay and Patuxent
River. I built a Teal, and while it is fun to take out on the river
with my son, ( 2 years old, ~25 lbs ) it is a little small for my
wife's comfort. And on the bay, it is just an adventure. The average
summer conditions on the bay are winds 5-10 knots, waves 1/2 - 1
foot. It's the waves that make me nervous, especially when they get
over 1 ft. Combined with boat or PWC wakes, they are inspirational.
Breaking waves are scary in a Teal.



I am therefore thinking of building bigger. Way Bigger: none of the
normal "instant boats" look like they would be comfortable in 1 ft
waves.

Currently the requirements list is:
* Confortable in 1 foot waves,
* Can allow use of a head in privacy while underway
(right now my son calls the bailing bucket the
"boat potty" )
* nominally trailerable (but won't be an embarrasement
to keep in a slip)
* controlled from an open cockpit ( "birdwatcher"
cabins look unconfortable to me - too hot).
* Single-handed operation


The List of Bolger designs that I think might be close are:
Chebacco
Black Skimmer
Martha Jane

Any other designs folks know of that might meet the current set of
requirements?

DGO

I love love love my teal, but if I had it to do over again, I'd build a surf.

As it is, my teal is going to become a tender for the LSME, and I'm
going to build a surf for my beach boat.

YIBB,

David





Happy New Year to all. I have just put a money order in the mail to
PCB for Cabin Clam Skiff plans. But I feel I need a little building
experience first through Teal or Surf plans from Payson. At first I
preferred Surf because, as it eats up only two sheets of plywood, I'd
be able to get on to Clam Skiff sooner. But then I got thinking about
post-construction utility and now I'm thinking that Surf would be a
more useful boat since it's apparently capable of carrying more than
one 'full-sized' adult. I anticipate single-handed sailing on our
lake-like Portage Inlet but it would be nice to include my wife (when
she screws up the courage) or brother-in-law when he comes over from
Salt Spring to visit. Payson's 'Instant Boats' outlines building Teal
in detail but maybe Surf isn't all that different?

John in Victoria (where today its dry and relatively mild at 8 deg.
C/46 deg. F)

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Thanks for the feedback, Step and Chris. Surf it is, then. I'm just
back from mailing the money order to Dynamite.
John

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, StepHydro@a... wrote:
> John,
>
> Surf isn't much different to Teal, and the building time is little
different
> as well. Time is taken in the jointsa and assembilng the different
bits. The
> fact that the bits are somewhat larger matters little.
>
> If you do Surf...you won't regret it. However, if you build Teal,
every time
> you want to take an extra cooler along, you'll wish you'd.....
>
> Cheers/Step

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, John Ewing wrote:
> > experience first through Teal or Surf plans from Payson. At first

I

> > preferred Surf because, as it eats up only two sheets of plywood
>
> Do you mean "Teal" here? Surf is bigger than Teal...

Yes, sorry, I did mean Teal (as the smaller boat). My proofreading
let me down.

John

John,

Surf isn't much different to Teal, and the building time is little different
as well. Time is taken in the jointsa and assembilng the different bits. The
fact that the bits are somewhat larger matters little.

If you do Surf...you won't regret it. However, if you build Teal, every time
you want to take an extra cooler along, you'll wish you'd.....

Cheers/Step

On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, John Ewing wrote:

> experience first through Teal or Surf plans from Payson. At first I
> preferred Surf because, as it eats up only two sheets of plywood

Do you mean "Teal" here? Surf is bigger than Teal. If I recall
correctly, Teal took 3 sheets of plywood, and then some, for rudder, etc.
Maybe I recall incorrectly. Two sheets for the sides, then there's the
bottom, scrap for frames, more for daggerboard, rudder, cross-spalls, and
so on.

> post-construction utility and now I'm thinking that Surf would be a
> more useful boat since it's apparently capable of carrying more than
> one 'full-sized' adult. I anticipate single-handed sailing on our
> lake-like Portage Inlet but it would be nice to include my wife (when
> she screws up the courage) or brother-in-law when he comes over from
> Salt Spring to visit.

Teal will sail two full-size adults who are on good terms, and don't mind
bumping into each other. It rows two full-size adults quite well. We
even hung a 1.2hp Tanaka off the starboard quarter, using a little
ingenuity, and motored about quite comfortably (steering with the rudder).

But Surf is definitely more boat.

> Payson's 'Instant Boats' outlines building Teal in detail but maybe
> Surf isn't all that different?

It's not.

Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.