Re: Naval Jelly/photos
> but I still owe PCB&F a letter. Someday... I'll put it up on a webpage.Jeez, Seth, you really oughts ta write it up for Messing About in
>
> Seth Macinko
Boats. It seems perfect. What a great project.
On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Peter Vanderwaart wrote:
it to be quite simple (and not-quite-but-almost disposable).
to come when my daughter (16 mos.) can swim and speak and handle herself.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
> I don't have the book in front of me, but I have some doubt about yourThis may be, although the time I have to build is fairly short, and I want
> plan for shortening. You will change the way the whole thing floats,
> and the rocker in the bottom may well end up in the wrong place. I
> think it might be better to simply take Fishhawk, or any of Bolger's
> flat bottom skiffs, and simply scale it to the length/width you have
> in mind.
it to be quite simple (and not-quite-but-almost disposable).
> I take it you want a very light, multiple oar boat and a low-speedYes.
> powerboat? or what?
> Of course, you could just build a Light Scooner hull. It would do veryYes, but I already have a sailboat, and don't seek another, not for years
> well (though possibly heavy for what you have in mind) and you would
> be halfway towards a really fun boat.
to come when my daughter (16 mos.) can swim and speak and handle herself.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
This past fall, a group of 14 college students, one student aide, and I
built a Naval Jelly as part of a class project at the Avery Point
campus of the University of Connecticut (for those that don't know,
this is quite close to Mystic). I've posted three photos to the files
under a folder named "Naval Jelly". The course wasn't about boat
building so we had to keep the time on the project down and Naval Jelly
was a perect design in that regard (esentially a 31' Teal). From start
to finish (a trip to nearby Pine Island) we put in 6 "sessions" but one
of those was "window ejection day" and one was the voyage to Pine
Island which leaves a total of 4 building sessions the longest of which
was 75 minutes. Of course, I put in much more time than that staying
ahead of the students between sessions (doing all the requisite cutting
off site). Construction was to plan except for: using 3/8" ply (MDO)
for the bottom (PCB's admonishments to step lightly into the hull had
me worried); a single gunwale and a blocked out inwale instead of a
double gunwale (due to window width constraint--see window ejection
photo); a single 2x2 shoe down the center instead of the twin 1x6 shoes
12" apart (was running out of wood and budget). Used luauan ply and PL
Premium Construction Adhesive (the big tubes and several of them). When
the students weren't around, I put a sealer coat of thinned epoxy on
the exterior of the hull and cloth taped the chines.
We ran out of time and only put in one rowing station, the others used
canoe paddles. We put 8 adults at a time and still had the forefoot
clear of the water. Overall, the boat was simply wonderful and this was
probably the best boat-building experience I've had to date (there
haven't been any bad ones). There's more to this story and more photos
but I still owe PCB&F a letter. Someday... I'll put it up on a webpage.
Seth Macinko
>Model? Model?? We didn't build no stinkin' model. . .
>
> I'd very much like to discuss Naval Jelly. I know someone
> printed up a photo recently; they made a nice model.
This past fall, a group of 14 college students, one student aide, and I
built a Naval Jelly as part of a class project at the Avery Point
campus of the University of Connecticut (for those that don't know,
this is quite close to Mystic). I've posted three photos to the files
under a folder named "Naval Jelly". The course wasn't about boat
building so we had to keep the time on the project down and Naval Jelly
was a perect design in that regard (esentially a 31' Teal). From start
to finish (a trip to nearby Pine Island) we put in 6 "sessions" but one
of those was "window ejection day" and one was the voyage to Pine
Island which leaves a total of 4 building sessions the longest of which
was 75 minutes. Of course, I put in much more time than that staying
ahead of the students between sessions (doing all the requisite cutting
off site). Construction was to plan except for: using 3/8" ply (MDO)
for the bottom (PCB's admonishments to step lightly into the hull had
me worried); a single gunwale and a blocked out inwale instead of a
double gunwale (due to window width constraint--see window ejection
photo); a single 2x2 shoe down the center instead of the twin 1x6 shoes
12" apart (was running out of wood and budget). Used luauan ply and PL
Premium Construction Adhesive (the big tubes and several of them). When
the students weren't around, I put a sealer coat of thinned epoxy on
the exterior of the hull and cloth taped the chines.
We ran out of time and only put in one rowing station, the others used
canoe paddles. We put 8 adults at a time and still had the forefoot
clear of the water. Overall, the boat was simply wonderful and this was
probably the best boat-building experience I've had to date (there
haven't been any bad ones). There's more to this story and more photos
but I still owe PCB&F a letter. Someday... I'll put it up on a webpage.
Seth Macinko
> I'd very much like to discuss Naval Jelly.I wonder if the name (borrowed from an anti-rust preparation) was
chosen because the disposable boat structure was wobbly.
I don't have the book in front of me, but I have some doubt about
your plan for shortening. You will change the way the whole thing
floats, and the rocker in the bottom may well end up in the wrong
place. I think it might be better to simply take Fishhawk, or any of
Bolger's flat bottom skiffs, and simply scale it to the length/width
you have in mind.
I take it you want a very light, multiple oar boat and a low-speed
powerboat? or what?
Of course, you could just build a Light Scooner hull. It would do
very well (though possibly heavy for what you have in mind) and you
would be halfway towards a really fun boat.
Peter
Personally, I would strongly prefer that we discuss
Bolger boats, boating, and closely related stuff.
If we get into Bolger's politics, we'll (1) be flying
fairly blind, and (2) either bore or enrage most of the
participants.
I'd very much like to discuss Naval Jelly. I know someone
printed up a photo recently; they made a nice model. Who
was it, how's the boat performed, and what about cutting in a
transom at the stern frame, leaving a 24 ft power skiff/row boat?
Bolger boats, boating, and closely related stuff.
If we get into Bolger's politics, we'll (1) be flying
fairly blind, and (2) either bore or enrage most of the
participants.
I'd very much like to discuss Naval Jelly. I know someone
printed up a photo recently; they made a nice model. Who
was it, how's the boat performed, and what about cutting in a
transom at the stern frame, leaving a 24 ft power skiff/row boat?
"John R. McDaniel" wrote:
Chris
> An excerpt from my autographed copy (gloat!), "Something in here tohehe almost worth putting on the cover as a teaser :)
> offend anybody. Let me know what it was with you. PCB"
> If you really want to read it, you might try writing/faxing Mr.OK John, why 'antispray'???
> Bolger to see if he has any copies hidden in the bilge which might
> sell. Tell'em ANTISPRAY sent you.
>
> John & "Woman, you've been told" Susan
Chris
I recall how excited I first was when purchasing this book many years
ago(when it first came out?) as I had great hopes of reading a fine
sailing story by my favorite designer.Of course,a fine sailing story
it is not and I pretty much concur with Johns' comments on this book
(HI JOHN!).
Luckily for me,I had bought the book during one of our famous winters
and thus had lots of motivation for keeping myself occuppied
indoors,under the covers with reading lamp close by.It did broaden my
appreciation of the Man but more importantly for me,got me to think
of other things besides my usual collection of trivial,navel-gazing
hedonistic thoughts.Quite refreshing!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,waisting in a winter wonderland,on the banks of the
frozen St.Lawrence.......
ago(when it first came out?) as I had great hopes of reading a fine
sailing story by my favorite designer.Of course,a fine sailing story
it is not and I pretty much concur with Johns' comments on this book
(HI JOHN!).
Luckily for me,I had bought the book during one of our famous winters
and thus had lots of motivation for keeping myself occuppied
indoors,under the covers with reading lamp close by.It did broaden my
appreciation of the Man but more importantly for me,got me to think
of other things besides my usual collection of trivial,navel-gazing
hedonistic thoughts.Quite refreshing!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,waisting in a winter wonderland,on the banks of the
frozen St.Lawrence.......
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Ann Romanczuk" <kwilson800@a...> wrote:
> Has anyone else ever read Phil Bolger's novel? I found a copy in a
> used bookstore last year, and it's one of the oddest things I've
ever
> read (and that's saying something), and fairly offensive in parts.
> Lowered my opinion of the man a notch or two, actually. I'd be
> interested to hear other's opinions. IMHO, his decision to write
> mostly about boats is a good one.
>
> (And, BTW, for those of you who have read Schorpoien, despite the
> screen name which results from my wife signing up for another e-
> group, I am the proud posessor of a Y chromosome, so that's not why
I
> disliked the book so much.)
>
> Keith Wilson
Re: Schorpoien
I think Carron caught Bolger's message. His books are just like his
boat designs.....functional, don't cater to the masses, and require
study to truely understand.
An excerpt from my autographed copy (gloat!), "Something in here to
offend anybody. Let me know what it was with you. PCB"
I might add that SCHORPIOEN's "slave women" made all the real
business decisions and were free to spear (without reprisal)
any "owner" who mistreated them.....with "mistreated" being defined
by the woman! You must read the entire book to discover all the
factors which balance those presented in the first half.
There are a multitude of initially "disturbing" things going on in
Bolger's South Africa; and it's fun to watch it all unfold.
It's a book written by a free thinker....what else would you expect?
If you really want to read it, you might try writing/faxing Mr.
Bolger to see if he has any copies hidden in the bilge which might
sell. Tell'em ANTISPRAY sent you.
John & "Woman, you've been told" Susan
I think Carron caught Bolger's message. His books are just like his
boat designs.....functional, don't cater to the masses, and require
study to truely understand.
An excerpt from my autographed copy (gloat!), "Something in here to
offend anybody. Let me know what it was with you. PCB"
I might add that SCHORPIOEN's "slave women" made all the real
business decisions and were free to spear (without reprisal)
any "owner" who mistreated them.....with "mistreated" being defined
by the woman! You must read the entire book to discover all the
factors which balance those presented in the first half.
There are a multitude of initially "disturbing" things going on in
Bolger's South Africa; and it's fun to watch it all unfold.
It's a book written by a free thinker....what else would you expect?
If you really want to read it, you might try writing/faxing Mr.
Bolger to see if he has any copies hidden in the bilge which might
sell. Tell'em ANTISPRAY sent you.
John & "Woman, you've been told" Susan
>I caught the fact that the women were the ones whothe
> had the *real* freedom in that book, and they certainly exercised
> economic power. Enslavement??? Didn't look like that to me :-)your "enslavement" to
>
> It is not great literature, but good for challenging
> ppolitical correctness.
>
> Cheers/Carron
In a message dated 01/08/2001 9:<BR49:<BR14 PM
Eastern Standard ,freedem@...writes:
Cheers/Carron
Eastern Standard ,freedem@...writes:
> I'd like to see another novel from my bolger describing a freeThe truth??? They can't *take* the truth!!
> america, just for the contrast for those tho think todays
> incarnation is free
Cheers/Carron
I liked it also. ideas of a differnt nature causing one to think
about his own world I belive is good.
I'd like to see another novel from my bolger describing a free
america, just for the contrast for those tho think todays
incarnation is free
Keith why didn't you like it
thankyou
Jeffery
PS have you read edward abbys monkeu wrtench gang and
hayduke lives?
about his own world I belive is good.
I'd like to see another novel from my bolger describing a free
america, just for the contrast for those tho think todays
incarnation is free
Keith why didn't you like it
thankyou
Jeffery
PS have you read edward abbys monkeu wrtench gang and
hayduke lives?
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, StepHydro@a... wrote:
> I read it and liked it.
>
> I have no problems at all with the presentation of fictional
societies with
> mores different to mine. I caught the fact that the women were
the ones who
> had the *real* freedom in that book, and they certainly
exercised the
> economic power. Enslavement??? Didn't look like that to me :-)
>
> It is not great literature, but good for challenging your
"enslavement" to
> ppolitical correctness.
>
> Cheers/Carron
I read it and liked it.
I have no problems at all with the presentation of fictional societies with
mores different to mine. I caught the fact that the women were the ones who
had the *real* freedom in that book, and they certainly exercised the
economic power. Enslavement??? Didn't look like that to me :-)
It is not great literature, but good for challenging your "enslavement" to
ppolitical correctness.
Cheers/Carron
I have no problems at all with the presentation of fictional societies with
mores different to mine. I caught the fact that the women were the ones who
had the *real* freedom in that book, and they certainly exercised the
economic power. Enslavement??? Didn't look like that to me :-)
It is not great literature, but good for challenging your "enslavement" to
ppolitical correctness.
Cheers/Carron
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Ann Romanczuk wrote:
last half? Offensive? Only if you feel that women being enslaved to men
and openly loving it is offensive.
When I purchased it, the book shop owner tried to warn me away from it.
But it completes the set for me, so I had to have it.
I cannot recommend it, although some of the sailing scenes are pretty
interesting.
Should I recommend inter-library loan?
> Has anyone else ever read Phil Bolger's novel? I found a copy in aYeah, I read it, or should I say, I read the first half, and skimmed the
> used bookstore last year, and it's one of the oddest things I've ever
> read (and that's saying something), and fairly offensive in parts.
> Lowered my opinion of the man a notch or two, actually. I'd be
> interested to hear other's opinions. IMHO, his decision to write
> mostly about boats is a good one.
last half? Offensive? Only if you feel that women being enslaved to men
and openly loving it is offensive.
When I purchased it, the book shop owner tried to warn me away from it.
But it completes the set for me, so I had to have it.
I cannot recommend it, although some of the sailing scenes are pretty
interesting.
Should I recommend inter-library loan?
Has anyone else ever read Phil Bolger's novel? I found a copy in a
used bookstore last year, and it's one of the oddest things I've ever
read (and that's saying something), and fairly offensive in parts.
Lowered my opinion of the man a notch or two, actually. I'd be
interested to hear other's opinions. IMHO, his decision to write
mostly about boats is a good one.
(And, BTW, for those of you who have read Schorpoien, despite the
screen name which results from my wife signing up for another e-
group, I am the proud posessor of a Y chromosome, so that's not why I
disliked the book so much.)
Keith Wilson
used bookstore last year, and it's one of the oddest things I've ever
read (and that's saying something), and fairly offensive in parts.
Lowered my opinion of the man a notch or two, actually. I'd be
interested to hear other's opinions. IMHO, his decision to write
mostly about boats is a good one.
(And, BTW, for those of you who have read Schorpoien, despite the
screen name which results from my wife signing up for another e-
group, I am the proud posessor of a Y chromosome, so that's not why I
disliked the book so much.)
Keith Wilson