Re:Tortoise

I haven't sailed my Tortoise, but I have towed it, rowed it, and even
used a 2HP Johnson outboard on mine for the past 4 years. Bolger was
constrained in this design by the desire to use just two sheets of
plywood. If this is not a priority, and you don't mind a bit more
weight, then I believe that a foredeck with flotation beneath is a
useful addition. The reason is that it is fairly easy when stepping into
the boat to land with your weight near a forward corner and press the
corner under the water. When you do, you will usually ship a couple of
gallons of water before you can scramble to the center and aft. I'm
planning to add triangular foredecks in the corners of mine. This will
still leave room to sit all the way forward when rowing with a
passenger. (see below).

I'm less enthusiastic about centering the mast. There is not much room
in the boat for two adults. When I row with my wife aboard, I find the
best solution is to have her sit well back on the aft deck while I am
all the way forward facing aft to give room to row without hitting her
knees with the oars. With the mast centered, I would have to remove it
in order to have room to row with a passenger.

Vince Chew

I am not saying they are putting them on with tape.
But there isn't any real reason I can see why you
can't design a multi panel shape create files for all
the panels. and then just add an allowance for the
rabbet. One way of doing that with a cnc approach
would simply be to cut the rabbet edge profile with a
tool the width of the lap, and insufficient
penetration, then take a second cut to the outside.
An alternative, which they may be using, is to
actually loft in 3d all the contours for all the
planks, but that seems like an enormous amount of
work. Still if they have a cad/cam person, why not.
In any case I think a DIY could easily follow the
approach I described, simply by using a simple cad to
loft the planks, lay an appropriate batten on the
lower edge, and draw to the outside, thereby adding
the rabbet allowance. Then cut it back with a bearing
guide router to form the lap. Don't see why that
shouldn't work.

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I've been to CLC and have talked with their CNC/CAD
guy. I get the 
impression that they are doing a lot more than just
"tacking on" the rabbet 
stock. I was really neat to se their CNC machine
cutting step rabbets in the 
strakes! 
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I've been to CLC and have talked with their CNC/CAD guy. I get the
impression that they are doing a lot more than just "tacking on" the rabbet
stock. I was really neat to se their CNC machine cutting step rabbets in the
strakes!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "thomas dalzell" <proaconstrictor@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Tortoise

> I know what you mean, with bondo anything is possible.
> I get the feeling that the CLC method is based on a
> computer lofting of the boat, in which the panels are
> expanded, and then the rabet stock is just taked on.
> I have B-plates, and Plyboats, and must try something
> like that some day.
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> Good luck!
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> > What did you decide about the system of
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> > Lofting so far is as regards the frames?
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> 
> Yes, frames only. This is fundamentally a
> learning experiment for 
> me, first time lap-strake attempt. Plus, it is a
> full scale study of 
> PCB's Spur II lines just for curiosity's sake. 
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> I plan to mount the frames on a strongback and then
> fit the keel. 
> Then put a straight batten next to the keel and trace
> the line of the 
> rabet, spiling it so to speak, onto the plywood to cut
> the 
> garboards. Then fit by trial and error, and
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I know what you mean, with bondo anything is possible.
I get the feeling that the CLC method is based on a
computer lofting of the boat, in which the panels are
expanded, and then the rabet stock is just taked on.
I have B-plates, and Plyboats, and must try something
like that some day.

Good luck!

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--- In bolger@y..., thomas dalzell
<proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:

> What did you decide about the system of

assembly?

> Lofting so far is as regards the frames?

Yes, frames only. This is fundamentally a
learning experiment for 
me, first time lap-strake attempt. Plus, it is a
full scale study of 
PCB's Spur II lines just for curiosity's sake. 
 
I plan to mount the frames on a strongback and then
fit the keel. 
Then put a straight batten next to the keel and trace
the line of the 
rabet, spiling it so to speak, onto the plywood to cut
the 
garboards. Then fit by trial and error, and
repeat. My attitude 
will be get to close enough and fill with Bondo!
:) 
 
 
 
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--- In bolger@y..., thomas dalzell <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:

> What did you decide about the system of assembly?
> Lofting so far is as regards the frames?

Yes, frames only. This is fundamentally a learning experiment for
me, first time lap-strake attempt. Plus, it is a full scale study of
PCB's Spur II lines just for curiosity's sake.

I plan to mount the frames on a strongback and then fit the keel.
Then put a straight batten next to the keel and trace the line of the
rabet, spiling it so to speak, onto the plywood to cut the
garboards. Then fit by trial and error, and repeat. My attitude
will be get to close enough and fill with Bondo! :)

Spur II is yummy. Your right, of course, GLD. What
did you decide about the system of assembly? Lofting
so far is as regards the frames? How are you marking
and assembling the planking? It is going to be a
beautiful boat. When I was at the wooden boat school
they had a slew of rowing boats. The best pulling of
the lot, other than the sculls, was the GLD that
doesn't, of course make it the best for a tender. But
it was nice underway. Alot of more slipery boats
turned out to be slow. Narrow waterline at work.

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--- In bolger@y..., thomas dalzell
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> I thought the whole point of the big boats was to

have

> the ability to cary a GLG as a tender.

Actually, now done lofting, I am laying out the frames
for a Spur II 
tonight. Cutting them tomorrow I hope.
 
 
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Still, having precut pieces onboard to quickly nail
together a 
Tortoise would be worth doing I think; they would take
up very little 
storage space. I bet, on a dare, I could nail
and caulk together 
precut pieces into a Tortiose in 15 minutes, not much
longer than it 
might take to inflate some rafts. You could also
use screws and a 
Makita screw gun, and then be able to disassemble it
too. 
 
 
GLG? Do you mean GLD? 
 
 
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--- In bolger@y..., thomas dalzell <proaconstrictor@y...> wrote:

> I thought the whole point of the big boats was to have
> the ability to cary a GLG as a tender.

Actually, now done lofting, I am laying out the frames for a Spur II
tonight. Cutting them tomorrow I hope.

http://www.hallman.org/bolger/SpurFrames.gif

Still, having precut pieces onboard to quickly nail together a
Tortoise would be worth doing I think; they would take up very little
storage space. I bet, on a dare, I could nail and caulk together
precut pieces into a Tortiose in 15 minutes, not much longer than it
might take to inflate some rafts. You could also use screws and a
Makita screw gun, and then be able to disassemble it too.

GLG? Do you mean GLD?

I thought the whole point of the big boats was to have
the ability to cary a GLG as a tender...

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--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart"
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> the whole point of Tortoise was that the 
> building process was so quick that there 
> wasn't time to get a picture between

"start"

> and "built". :-)

You could have built two of them by now... 
 
Quick is not the *whole* point though, also I believe
 
that the design is deliberately ugly as a deterent to
theft, 
and so cheap that if it were stolen you wouldn't
care. 
 
Quick, ugly, cheap, compact and capable. 
 
If I had *my* Dakota, and used a Tortoise as a tender,
 
I would consider while building it, to cut out a
second set of panels 
and keep the panels stored onboard "flat",
to be nailed together 
quickly if needed. I don't see a place inside
Dakota to store the 
width of the bottom panel 3'2" but it could be
ripped down the middle 
to 17" and rejoined easy enough. You could
stow all these pieces 
compactly under one of the bunks in 2" of
vertical space. 
 
BTW, scaling off the PCB&F Dakota drawing...the
Dakota seems to have 
about 14" of rocker in the bottom. 
 
[...schemeing again...] There is no reason I can think
of why two 
Tortoise can't be connected together [like two
Bricks], to make a 
mini-schooner. 
 
 
 
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I thought the whole point of the big boats was to have
the ability to cary a GLG as a tender.
--- brucehallman <brucehallman@...> wrote:

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--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart"
<pvanderw@o...> wrote:

> the whole point of Tortoise was that the 
> building process was so quick that there 
> wasn't time to get a picture between

"start"

> and "built". :-)

overhead?

--- In bolger@y..., "brucehallman" <brucehallman@y...> wrote:
snip I don't see a place inside Dakota to store the
> width of the bottom panel 3'2" snip

--- In bolger@y..., "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:

> the whole point of Tortoise was that the
> building process was so quick that there
> wasn't time to get a picture between "start"
> and "built". :-)

You could have built two of them by now...

Quick is not the *whole* point though, also I believe
that the design is deliberately ugly as a deterent to theft,
and so cheap that if it were stolen you wouldn't care.

Quick, ugly, cheap, compact and capable.

If I had *my* Dakota, and used a Tortoise as a tender,
I would consider while building it, to cut out a second set of panels
and keep the panels stored onboard "flat", to be nailed together
quickly if needed. I don't see a place inside Dakota to store the
width of the bottom panel 3'2" but it could be ripped down the middle
to 17" and rejoined easy enough. You could stow all these pieces
compactly under one of the bunks in 2" of vertical space.

BTW, scaling off the PCB&F Dakota drawing...the Dakota seems to have
about 14" of rocker in the bottom.

[...schemeing again...] There is no reason I can think of why two
Tortoise can't be connected together [like two Bricks], to make a
mini-schooner.

> I thought the whole point of Tortoise was that the building
> process was so quick that there wasn't time to get a picture
> between "start" and "built". :-)

There isn't, unless you happen to get dragged off onto half a
dozen other projects shortly after starting.... :-)

--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>

> > I am looking for any pics of the tortoise either being built...

I thought the whole point of Tortoise was that the building process
was so quick that there wasn't time to get a picture between "start"
and "built". :-)

PHV

> I am looking for any pics of the tortoise either being built, been
> built, or anywhere in between. I am thinking of building one and
> would appreciate any guidance in this direction.

I've uploaded a few pictures of mine to the "Tortoise" folder of
the "Bolger Boats" section of the "Photos" area on the "Bolger2"
Yahoo! group. More later, once I have time to get back to the
project....

--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>

--- In bolger@y..., "StealthScan" <stealthscan@y...> wrote:

> I am looking for any pics of the tortoise

Here is one picture of mine under construction at:

http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Kotick/tortoise_sail_retro.jpg

Go check out Dynamite Payson's message board at:

http://www.instantboats.com/wwwboard/wwwboard.html

...there are lots of people there with info about building Tortoise.

I think that Tortoise is an amazing boat, cheap & capable. Small
enough to carry easily and large enough to stand up in without
feeling unstable. Quick to build too, I built mine in my spare time
over one weekend. Though, fitting it for sailing takes longer than
building the hull.

Chapter 9 of Payson's book _Build the New Instant Boats_ is devoted
to Tortoise, including the plans, dimensions, building tips and
photos etc.. If you don't have this book already, you *must* buy it,
available from Dynamite Payson via his website.

http://www.instantboats.com/

I am looking for any pics of the tortoise either being built, been
built, or anywhere in between. I am thinking of building one and
would
appreciate any guidance in this direction.

Build one, you will never regret it. Travels great on car racks and
tows behind sailboat or stinkboat well. Good for all kind of use -
lifting crab pots,kids adventure boat, yacht tender, exploring, etc.
When finished lift it back onto the truck with no effort.

Pat Devlin

Hi all,

While I agree that an inflatable will give you a lot of load carrying ability for the size there are some significant downsides to them. (not counting the heresy of mentioning them in a Bolger list :) They are expensive, relatively delicate (on the rocks and barnacles of the NW) and mine have always been a real pain to row. Inexpensive ones without a solid floor can be an adventure to board. Good ones with a solid floor can be interesting to assemble. For myself, I'd build the punt and have a simple 2x4 rack across the cockpit for hauling. 2nd choice(s) would be the tortoise or shoebox.

Just my 2 cents,

Larry

BTW - whatever you decide, I'm envious of your adventure. Enjoy it (the planning and the trip).

----- Original Message -----
From:Jim Chamberlin RCSIS
To:bolger@egroups.com
Sent:Monday, January 15, 2001 8:01 AM
Subject:RE: [bolger] Re: Tortoise

Jamie,

As much as I enjoy boat building, I would go with a 2 or 3 person inflatable.

Jim C.
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From:Orr, Jamie [mailto:jorr@...]
Sent:Thursday, January 11, 2001 10:51 AM
To:'bolger@egroups.com'
Subject:RE: [bolger] Re: Tortoise

Hi Bill, and others

Yes, a bit small for 9 -- I'd need a tender the size of Wayward Lass to fit everyone in at once, then of course I'd need another tender for that....

T hanks for all the replies -- a truly helpful group. Since I got such a good response, maybe I should expand a bit.

The notion came to me a couple of days after Christmas -- I landed on an island but didn't want to beach the boat. As I was messing around with shore line and anchor, I filled my starboard gumboot with some very cold ocean. My son has an elegant punt I could have been towing, but I didn't want to be bothered getting it up on the van roof and down again -- the flimsy luggage racks really aren't up to it.

Besides, I hope to drive from Victoria to Prince Rupert next summer, and I'll face higher ferry costs and a lot of wind resistance cartopping (vantopping?) a dinghy.

So I want a light, tiny boat that can fit in the Chebacco just as Bill describes while on the road, tow behind while on the water, and take two people a short distance to shore once the anchor's down. I'm looking at a couple of others (a Paul Gartside 6 footer, and Chuck Merrell's Apple Pie, which would need shortening) besides Tortoise. And now I'll take a look at Shoebox, too. I could buy a cheap inflatable, but then I wouldn't get to build it.

Jamie Orr

Jamie,

As much as I enjoy boat building, I would go with a 2 or 3 person inflatable.

Jim C.

-----Original Message-----
From:Orr, Jamie [mailto:jorr@...]
Sent:Thursday, January 11, 2001 10:51 AM
To:'bolger@egroups.com'
Subject:RE: [bolger] Re: Tortoise

Hi Bill, and others

Yes, a bit small for 9 -- I'd need a tender the size of Wayward Lass to fit everyone in at once, then of course I'd need another tender for that....

Thanks for all the replies -- a truly helpful group. Since I got such a good response, maybe I should expand a bit.

The notion came to me a couple of days after Christmas -- I landed on an island but didn't want to beach the boat. As I was messing around with shore line and anchor, I filled my starboard gumboot with some very cold ocean. My son has an elegant punt I could have been towing, but I didn't want to be bothered getting it up on the van roof and down again -- the flimsy luggage racks really aren't up to it.

Besides, I hope to drive from Victoria to Prince Rupert next summer, and I'll face higher ferry costs and a lot of wind resistance cartopping (vantopping?) a dinghy.

So I want a light, tiny boat that can fit in the Chebacco just as Bill describes while on the road, tow behind while on the water, and take two people a short distance to shore once the anchor's down. I'm looking at a couple of others (a Paul Gartside 6 footer, and Chuck Merrell's Apple Pie, which would need shortening) besides Tortoise. And now I'll take a look at Shoebox, too. I could buy a cheap inflatable, but then I wouldn't get to build it.

Jamie Orr

-----Original Message-----
From:Samson Family [mailto:Bill.Samson@...]
Sent:Thursday, January 11, 2001 5:32 PM
To:Bolgerphiles
Subject:[bolger] Re: Tortoise

Jamie wondered about getting Tortoise in the cockpit of a Chebacco on its trailer. It'd just about fit, I believe.

Might also be worth thinking about Shoebox, which would just about fit across the cockpit, at the front end, or the 'bolt-together' Shoebox from BWAOM, which would take up even less room, though at the cost of added weight.

The trouble with these little boats as tenders for Chebacco is that the Chebacco can take lots of people in its huge cockpit - nine, I think, is the current record, but it would take some tender to carry that many to and from the moored boat.

Bill
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Samson Family wrote:

Jamie wondered about getting Tortoise in the cockpit of a Chebacco on its trailer. It'd just about fit, I believe. Might also be worth thinking about Shoebox, which would just about fit across the cockpit, at the front end, or the 'bolt-together' Shoebox from BWAOM, which would take up even less room, though at the cost of added weight. The trouble with these little boats as tenders for Chebacco is that the Chebacco can take lots of people in its huge cockpit - nine, I think, is the current record, but it would take some tender to carry that many to and from the moored boat. BillChebacco News can be seen at:-
http://members.nbci.com/billsamson/

Bolger rules!!!
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Jamie wondered about getting Tortoise in the cockpit of a Chebacco on its trailer. It'd just about fit, I believe.

Might also be worth thinking about Shoebox, which would just about fit across the cockpit, at the front end, or the 'bolt-together' Shoebox from BWAOM, which would take up even less room, though at the cost of added weight.

The trouble with these little boats as tenders for Chebacco is that the Chebacco can take lots of people in its huge cockpit - nine, I think, is the current record, but it would take some tender to carry that many to and from the moored boat.

Bill

Chebacco News can be seen at:-
http://members.nbci.com/billsamson/

Hi Bill, and others

Yes, a bit small for 9 -- I'd need a tender the size of Wayward Lass to fit everyone in at once, then of course I'd need another tender for that....

Thanks for all the replies -- a truly helpful group. Since I got such a good response, maybe I should expand a bit.

The notion came to me a couple of days after Christmas -- I landed on an island but didn't want to beach the boat. As I was messing around with shore line and anchor, I filled my starboard gumboot with some very cold ocean. My son has an elegant punt I could have been towing, but I didn't want to be bothered getting it up on the van roof and down again -- the flimsy luggage racks really aren't up to it.

Besides, I hope to drive from Victoria to Prince Rupert next summer, and I'll face higher ferry costs and a lot of wind resistance cartopping (vantopping?) a dinghy.

So I want a light, tiny boat that can fit in the Chebacco just as Bill describes while on the road, tow behind while on the water, and take two people a short distance to shore once the anchor's down. I'm looking at a couple of others (a Paul Gartside 6 footer, and Chuck Merrell's Apple Pie, which would need shortening) besides Tortoise. And now I'll take a look at Shoebox, too. I could buy a cheap inflatable, but then I wouldn't get to build it.

Jamie Orr

-----Original Message-----
From:Samson Family [mailto:Bill.Samson@...]
Sent:Thursday, January 11, 2001 5:32 PM
To:Bolgerphiles
Subject:[bolger] Re: Tortoise

Jamie wondered about getting Tortoise in the cockpit of a Chebacco on its trailer. It'd just about fit, I believe.

Might also be worth thinking about Shoebox, which would just about fit across the cockpit, at the front end, or the 'bolt-together' Shoebox from BWAOM, which would take up even less room, though at the cost of added weight.

The trouble with these little boats as tenders for Chebacco is that the Chebacco can take lots of people in its huge cockpit - nine, I think, is the current record, but it would take some tender to carry that many to and from the moored boat.

Bill
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In a message dated 1/10/2001 8:17:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
vachew@...writes:

<< One thing to be careful of with this boat. DO NOT STEP ON THE FRONT
CORNER OF THE BOTTOM WHEN BOARDING. You can easily press the front
corner underwater and take on several gallons before you have time to
scramble aft. (The voice of experience). Over all it is a terrific
little boat.

Vince Chew

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To: Vince and all

I have observed that when sailing fast, it is not only necessary to
balance the boat to windward in the conventional manner, but also to be aware
of the fore-and-aft trim. While sitting too far forward, I have taken water
over the bow while sailing in a bunch or two of wind (but not under
reasonably normal conditions). Regards, Warren

I built a Tortoise to use as a tender for my sailboat. I have towed it
often. It tracks very well. I suspect that is partly because the chines
are parallel to the centerline. I glued a reinforcing square of ply in
the center of the forward transom and drilled a hole through for my
painter so that the pull when towing tends to lift the bow slightly.
This summer, I added a continuous fender all around the way around using
"Fun Noodles". This eliminated the sickening sound of a hardwood shear
clamp banging into my fiberglass hull.

Tortoise is a bit unique in that when solo, one rows the boat stern
first. You can push-row it the direction you are facing fairly well
also. When my wife is along, I face the stern, have her sit well back on
the after deck to balance my weight and then I can slide forward and row
toward the bow.

I also licensed mine for a motor. I have a bolt-on motor board for my
2hp Johnson outboard. Once away from the dock, I steer mostly by leaning
-- my hands off the motor handle. I only use the motor on small
protected lakes or streams.

One thing to be careful of with this boat. DO NOT STEP ON THE FRONT
CORNER OF THE BOTTOM WHEN BOARDING. You can easily press the front
corner underwater and take on several gallons before you have time to
scramble aft. (The voice of experience). Over all it is a terrific
little boat.

Vince Chew

Thanks -- I couldn't get through to Payson's site for some reason.

Jamie

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Romanczuk [mailto:kwilson800@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 1:24 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tortoise

6'5" x 3'+ a little. Here's the link to the Tortoise page on
Dynamite Payson's web site.

http://www.instantboats.com/tortoise.htm

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, " Jamie Orr" <jorr@o...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Looking for some help -- I've lent out my New Instant Boats, and
> would like to have the overall dimensions of Tortoise -- height,
> width, length, for some planning. . .

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6'5" x 3'+ a little. Here's the link to the Tortoise page on
Dynamite Payson's web site.

http://www.instantboats.com/tortoise.htm

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, " Jamie Orr" <jorr@o...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Looking for some help -- I've lent out my New Instant Boats, and
> would like to have the overall dimensions of Tortoise -- height,
> width, length, for some planning. . .

Hi

Looking for some help -- I've lent out my New Instant Boats, and
would like to have the overall dimensions of Tortoise -- height,
width, length, for some planning.

I'm thinking about a minimal tender, able to be stowed in the cockpit
when we're on the road. It will have to share the cockpit with masts
and so on, so had to be small -- maybe fitted across the cockpit. (I
want an alternative to cartopping.)

It will have to be towed when we're sailing -- has anyone tried
towing a Tortoise and how well did it work?

Thanks,

Jamie Orr