Italian spelling, etc
Dear all
when a town is of international relevance, we use to "italianize" the
name itself: Paris becomes Parigi, New York turns into Nuova York,
Muenchen becomes Monaco, Frankfurt becomes Francoforte, and so on. The
other side around holds true as well: Milan is Milano, Venice is
Venezia, Florence is Firenze, Naples is Napoli. Nothing strange...
By the way, Marco, David's message is italian would souund as follows:
"Milano è inchiodato alla terra ferma. Vince chi ha il veicolo da
traino piu' grosso?".
Cheers, Pippo
when a town is of international relevance, we use to "italianize" the
name itself: Paris becomes Parigi, New York turns into Nuova York,
Muenchen becomes Monaco, Frankfurt becomes Francoforte, and so on. The
other side around holds true as well: Milan is Milano, Venice is
Venezia, Florence is Firenze, Naples is Napoli. Nothing strange...
By the way, Marco, David's message is italian would souund as follows:
"Milano è inchiodato alla terra ferma. Vince chi ha il veicolo da
traino piu' grosso?".
Cheers, Pippo
David, we never spell the name of our cities because we don't
need spelling. Spelling is an english necessity because you have a
writing that doesn't correspond regularly to yours spoken, the Italian
doesn't have exceptions: what is written it has read.
This has any advantage: if we communicate with an other boat during
a storm, the others doesn't answer "Spelling,
please!":)
Marco.
In 08.14 16/01/01 +0000, hai scritto:
>Oh, yes! Thank You...and Venice is VENEZIA>>This has puzzled me since my trip to Italy in '86. Must be some
even>systemic flaw in the Italian education system that they can't
>spell the names of their major cities correctly (Roma, Turino,
posts off-list.>Napoli, etc.) Made using my guide book very confusing.>>Pippo, can you explain?>>YIBB,>>David>>>CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS>134 W.26th St. 12th Floor>New York, NY 10001>(212) 243-1636>>Bolger rules!!!>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming>- no flogging dead horses>- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!"
>- stay on topic and punctuate>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts>
- Laboratorio di Psicologia Dott. Masoni
- Via Stromboli,3
- 20144 MILANO - Italy
- Tel. 02 43911114 - 0347 7153486
- Fax. 0243318224 - 0247716682
- email: masoni@...
- "Perciò saranno tutte soltanto nomi Le cose che i mortali hanno
- stabilito, persuasi che fossero vere" (Parmenide 8, 38-39)
David,
Quando a Roma,fare come il Romans!
Those crazy English guide books........go figure!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,feeling the bite of -22 degree Celsius(chill factor)
from the howling winds,on the banks of the St.Lawrence.......
Quando a Roma,fare come il Romans!
Those crazy English guide books........go figure!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,feeling the bite of -22 degree Celsius(chill factor)
from the howling winds,on the banks of the St.Lawrence.......
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> Oh, yes! Thank You...and Venice is VENEZIA
>
> This has puzzled me since my trip to Italy in '86. Must be some
> systemic flaw in the Italian education system that they can't even
> spell the names of their major cities correctly (Roma, Turino,
> Napoli, etc.) Made using my guide book very confusing.
>
> Pippo, can you explain?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
>
> CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
> 134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, NY 10001
> (212) 243-1636
Oh, yes! Thank You...and Venice is VENEZIA
This has puzzled me since my trip to Italy in '86. Must be some
systemic flaw in the Italian education system that they can't even
spell the names of their major cities correctly (Roma, Turino,
Napoli, etc.) Made using my guide book very confusing.
Pippo, can you explain?
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
This has puzzled me since my trip to Italy in '86. Must be some
systemic flaw in the Italian education system that they can't even
spell the names of their major cities correctly (Roma, Turino,
Napoli, etc.) Made using my guide book very confusing.
Pippo, can you explain?
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
Oh, yes! Thank You...and Venice is VENEZIA
In 19.43 15/01/01 +0000, hai scritto:
Milano? Please educate.>On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, David Jost wrote:>> Where is Milan, and where is
anglicization of>>Boy, they are very close. Very, very close. Milan is the
posts off-list.>Milano--a process that seems entirely unnecessary to me.>>Now Venice, that's a boating town.>>>>Bolger rules!!!>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming>- no flogging dead horses>- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!"
>- stay on topic and punctuate>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts>
- Laboratorio di Psicologia Dott. Masoni
- Via Stromboli,3
- 20144 MILANO - Italy
- Tel. 02 43911114 - 0347 7153486
- Fax. 0243318224 - 0247716682
- email: masoni@...
- "Perciò saranno tutte soltanto nomi Le cose che i mortali hanno
- stabilito, persuasi che fossero vere" (Parmenide 8, 38-39)
David, Milan IS Milano , and she ( or it, or he?)
is in North Italy, between Turin and Venice. She was the eight (8°)
harbour (?) in italy, for tonnelage, but the boats go to and
come from Milan by canals created by Leonardo da Vinci. And they
(the boats) contain only sand!
Bye
Marco
In 19.43 15/01/01 +0000, hai scritto:
geography of Italy. I>Marco,> I apologize for my ignorance regarding the
>hope to learn about it in April when I go to Vienna!
educate. Gracia> Where is Milan, and where is Milano? Please
wrote:>>David Jost "Boston">>--- In bolger@egroups.com, Chris Crandall <crandall@u...>
2003?>> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, David Jost wrote:>> > The Micro America's Cup Race, in Milan say August
vehicle>>>> Umm, Milan is landlocked--whoever had the biggest towing
posts off-list.>wins?>>>Bolger rules!!!>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming>- no flogging dead horses>- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!"
>- stay on topic and punctuate>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts>
- Laboratorio di Psicologia Dott. Masoni
- Via Stromboli,3
- 20144 MILANO - Italy
- Tel. 02 43911114 - 0347 7153486
- Fax. 0243318224 - 0247716682
- email: masoni@...
- "Perciò saranno tutte soltanto nomi Le cose che i mortali hanno
- stabilito, persuasi che fossero vere" (Parmenide 8, 38-39)
Pippo, help! non riesco a capire cosa mi ha scritto Cris!
( il mio traduttore informatico mi da una traduzione
pazzesca!)
wins?>>Umm, Milan is landlocked--whoever had the biggest towing vehicle
>>
- Laboratorio di Psicologia Dott. Masoni
- Via Stromboli,3
- 20144 MILANO - Italy
- Tel. 02 43911114 - 0347 7153486
- Fax. 0243318224 - 0247716682
- email: masoni@...
- "Perciò saranno tutte soltanto nomi Le cose che i mortali hanno
- stabilito, persuasi che fossero vere" (Parmenide 8, 38-39)
Northern Italy with fine views of the Alps!!
Peter Lenihan
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, David Jost wrote:
> > Where is Milan, and where is Milano? Please educate.
>
> Boy, they are very close. Very, very close. Milan is the
anglicization of
> Milano--a process that seems entirely unnecessary to me.
>
> Now Venice, that's a boating town.
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, David Jost wrote:
Milano--a process that seems entirely unnecessary to me.
Now Venice, that's a boating town.
> Where is Milan, and where is Milano? Please educate.Boy, they are very close. Very, very close. Milan is the anglicization of
Milano--a process that seems entirely unnecessary to me.
Now Venice, that's a boating town.
Marco,
I apologize for my ignorance regarding the geography of Italy. I
hope to learn about it in April when I go to Vienna!
Where is Milan, and where is Milano? Please educate. Gracia
David Jost "Boston"
I apologize for my ignorance regarding the geography of Italy. I
hope to learn about it in April when I go to Vienna!
Where is Milan, and where is Milano? Please educate. Gracia
David Jost "Boston"
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Chris Crandall <crandall@u...> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, David Jost wrote:
> > The Micro America's Cup Race, in Milan say August 2003?
>
> Umm, Milan is landlocked--whoever had the biggest towing vehicle
wins?
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, David Jost wrote:
> The Micro America's Cup Race, in Milan say August 2003?Umm, Milan is landlocked--whoever had the biggest towing vehicle wins?
Thank you David,
sorry, no Micro America's Cup race in Milan, but only because is inland!
Marco
sorry, no Micro America's Cup race in Milan, but only because is inland!
Marco
> Marco,
> I have owned a number of racing dinghys that use this type of
> cleat. The answer is that the long horn would be the end the first
> turn goes around. They are great for taking up the line in a manner
> that it can be released very quickly. Holt and Allen manufactures a
> large line of these in nylon for use as halyard cleats, traveler
> cleats, rudder cleats, etc. . .
> I have these on an International Enterprise that I own, and on a
> Laser. They always go with the short end towards the line, and the
> long end away. You can get an enormous amount of tension on the
> halyard and then quickly snub it, yet be able to release it instantly.
> Of course, your Micro won't need this kind of attention unless we
> meet each other in a race! The Micro America's Cup Race, in Milan say
> August 2003?
>
> Ciao,
> David Jost "expecting more rotten weather in Boston, get me out of
> here!"
>
> > Does anybody know which is the part that is directed toward the
> mast? that
> > with two points or that with an individual long point?
> > Thank you, I am quite inexperienced!
> > Marco
> > Laboratorio di Psicologia Dott. Masoni
> > Via Stromboli,3
> > 20144 MILANO - Italy
> > Tel. 02 43911114 - 0347 7153486
> > Fax. 0243318224 - 0247716682
> > email: masoni@t...
> >
> > "Perci� saranno tutte soltanto nomi Le cose che i mortali hanno
> > stabilito, persuasi che fossero vere" (Parmenide 8, 38-39)
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>
>
Marco,
I have owned a number of racing dinghys that use this type of
cleat. The answer is that the long horn would be the end the first
turn goes around. They are great for taking up the line in a manner
that it can be released very quickly. Holt and Allen manufactures a
large line of these in nylon for use as halyard cleats, traveler
cleats, rudder cleats, etc. . .
I have these on an International Enterprise that I own, and on a
Laser. They always go with the short end towards the line, and the
long end away. You can get an enormous amount of tension on the
halyard and then quickly snub it, yet be able to release it instantly.
Of course, your Micro won't need this kind of attention unless we
meet each other in a race! The Micro America's Cup Race, in Milan say
August 2003?
Ciao,
David Jost "expecting more rotten weather in Boston, get me out of
here!"
I have owned a number of racing dinghys that use this type of
cleat. The answer is that the long horn would be the end the first
turn goes around. They are great for taking up the line in a manner
that it can be released very quickly. Holt and Allen manufactures a
large line of these in nylon for use as halyard cleats, traveler
cleats, rudder cleats, etc. . .
I have these on an International Enterprise that I own, and on a
Laser. They always go with the short end towards the line, and the
long end away. You can get an enormous amount of tension on the
halyard and then quickly snub it, yet be able to release it instantly.
Of course, your Micro won't need this kind of attention unless we
meet each other in a race! The Micro America's Cup Race, in Milan say
August 2003?
Ciao,
David Jost "expecting more rotten weather in Boston, get me out of
here!"
> Does anybody know which is the part that is directed toward themast? that
> with two points or that with an individual long point?
> Thank you, I am quite inexperienced!
> Marco
> Laboratorio di Psicologia Dott. Masoni
> Via Stromboli,3
> 20144 MILANO - Italy
> Tel. 02 43911114 - 0347 7153486
> Fax. 0243318224 - 0247716682
> email: masoni@t...
>
> "Perciò saranno tutte soltanto nomi Le cose che i mortali hanno
> stabilito, persuasi che fossero vere" (Parmenide 8, 38-39)
>Cos� (not cosi, but cos� , con l'accento)= in this way
bye
Marco
Hi Larry!
> A big thank you,merci and grazie from my girlfriend and me for
> the translation site!!!What a hoot!!We have been amusing ourselves
> reading how the"machine"translates simple phrases and words.For
> example,the Italian word "cosi" gets translated into English as
> "therefore",yet the English word "therefore" gets translated into
> Italian as....."quindi"!I won't go into the fun of reading how the
> machine translates erotica...........this is a family site afterall!!
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan,happy to have been shown a new game on the computer,on
> the banks of the St.Lawrence........
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Barker" <lgbarker@t...> wrote:
> > Greetings,
> > For those of us who are linguistically impaired (a common US
> malady), there is an online site which will do a very rough
> translation of the beautiful and mysterious Italian.
> >
> >http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn
> >
> > Larry Barker
> > In Southern Oregon where the rain has finally come.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marco Vinicio Masoni
> > To:bolger@egroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 9:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: butler's cleats
> >
> >
> > Ciao Peter,
> > Grazie, sospettavo fosse cos�, ma non ne ero sicuro!
> > I'll made it 20 cm. long...hem ...about 8 inch long.
> > Ciao
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>
>
Hi Larry!
A big thank you,merci and grazie from my girlfriend and me for
the translation site!!!What a hoot!!We have been amusing ourselves
reading how the"machine"translates simple phrases and words.For
example,the Italian word "cosi" gets translated into English as
"therefore",yet the English word "therefore" gets translated into
Italian as....."quindi"!I won't go into the fun of reading how the
machine translates erotica...........this is a family site afterall!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,happy to have been shown a new game on the computer,on
the banks of the St.Lawrence........
A big thank you,merci and grazie from my girlfriend and me for
the translation site!!!What a hoot!!We have been amusing ourselves
reading how the"machine"translates simple phrases and words.For
example,the Italian word "cosi" gets translated into English as
"therefore",yet the English word "therefore" gets translated into
Italian as....."quindi"!I won't go into the fun of reading how the
machine translates erotica...........this is a family site afterall!!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,happy to have been shown a new game on the computer,on
the banks of the St.Lawrence........
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Barker" <lgbarker@t...> wrote:
> Greetings,
> For those of us who are linguistically impaired (a common US
malady), there is an online site which will do a very rough
translation of the beautiful and mysterious Italian.
>
>http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn
>
> Larry Barker
> In Southern Oregon where the rain has finally come.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marco Vinicio Masoni
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 9:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: butler's cleats
>
>
> Ciao Peter,
> Grazie, sospettavo fosse così, ma non ne ero sicuro!
> I'll made it 20 cm. long...hem ...about 8 inch long.
> Ciao
Greetings,
For those of us who arelinguistically impaired (a common US malady), there is an
online site which will do a very rough translation of the beautiful and
mysterious Italian.
Larry Barker
In Southern Oregon where the rain has finally
come.
----- Original Message -----From:Marco Vinicio MasoniSent:Saturday, January 13, 2001 9:39 AMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: butler's cleatsCiao Peter,Grazie, sospettavo fosse così, ma non ne ero sicuro!I'll made it 20 cm. long...hem ...about 8 inch long.Ciao
Ciao Peter,
Grazie, sospettavo fosse così, ma non ne ero sicuro!
I'll made it 20 cm. long...hem ...about 8 inch long.
Ciao
In 18.31 13/01/01 +0000, hai scritto:
but the photo would seem to>Hi Marco,> I have never used this type of cleat
source of the>suggest that the"long part"is directed toward the
the"short end" and>tension.That is,one would first take a turn around
cleat also mentions that>then snug it up under the"long end".> The information available for that
>Butler had them cast out of metal.Perhaps this will not be
cast)>necessary,but I would consider doing the same thing(getting them
Ciao! :-D>or perhaps using a tougher/stronger wood then pine.>
banks of>Peter Lenihan,looking out on a bleak and grey day,here on the
<masoni@t...> wrote:>the St.Lawrence..............>>>>--- In bolger@egroups.com, Marco Vinicio Masoni
Butler (>>>> Hi all>> I'm carving in pine any cleats invented by Paul
directed toward the>>>ml )>> I'll use it on my Micro.>> Does anybody know which is the part that is
point?>mast? that>> with two points or that with an individual long
>> Thank you, I am quite inexperienced!>> Marco>> Laboratorio di Psicologia Dott. Masoni>> Via Stromboli,3>> 20144 MILANO - Italy>> Tel. 02 43911114 - 0347 7153486>> Fax. 0243318224 - 0247716682
i mortali hanno>> email: masoni@t...>>>> "Perciò saranno tutte soltanto nomi Le cose che
38-39)>> stabilito, persuasi che fossero vere" (Parmenide 8,
posts off-list.>>>Bolger rules!!!>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming>- no flogging dead horses>- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!"
>- stay on topic and punctuate>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts>
- Laboratorio di Psicologia Dott. Masoni
- Via Stromboli,3
- 20144 MILANO - Italy
- Tel. 02 43911114 - 0347 7153486
- Fax. 0243318224 - 0247716682
- email: masoni@...
- "Perciò saranno tutte soltanto nomi Le cose che i mortali hanno
- stabilito, persuasi che fossero vere" (Parmenide 8, 38-39)
Hi Marco,
I have never used this type of cleat but the photo would seem to
suggest that the"long part"is directed toward the source of the
tension.That is,one would first take a turn around the"short end" and
then snug it up under the"long end".
The information available for that cleat also mentions that
Butler had them cast out of metal.Perhaps this will not be
necessary,but I would consider doing the same thing(getting them cast)
or perhaps using a tougher/stronger wood then pine.
Ciao! :-D
Peter Lenihan,looking out on a bleak and grey day,here on the banks of
the St.Lawrence..............
I have never used this type of cleat but the photo would seem to
suggest that the"long part"is directed toward the source of the
tension.That is,one would first take a turn around the"short end" and
then snug it up under the"long end".
The information available for that cleat also mentions that
Butler had them cast out of metal.Perhaps this will not be
necessary,but I would consider doing the same thing(getting them cast)
or perhaps using a tougher/stronger wood then pine.
Ciao! :-D
Peter Lenihan,looking out on a bleak and grey day,here on the banks of
the St.Lawrence..............
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Marco Vinicio Masoni <masoni@t...> wrote:
>
> Hi all
> I'm carving in pine any cleats invented by Paul Butler (
>
Http://www.friend.ly.net/user-homepages/d/dadadata/boat/matl/cleats.ht
ml )
> I'll use it on my Micro.
> Does anybody know which is the part that is directed toward the
mast? that
> with two points or that with an individual long point?
> Thank you, I am quite inexperienced!
> Marco
> Laboratorio di Psicologia Dott. Masoni
> Via Stromboli,3
> 20144 MILANO - Italy
> Tel. 02 43911114 - 0347 7153486
> Fax. 0243318224 - 0247716682
> email: masoni@t...
>
> "Perciò saranno tutte soltanto nomi Le cose che i mortali hanno
> stabilito, persuasi che fossero vere" (Parmenide 8, 38-39)
Hi all
I'm carving in pine any cleats invented by Paul Butler
( Http://www.friend.ly.net/user-homepages/d/dadadata/boat/matl/cleats.html
)
I'll use it on my Micro.
Does anybody know which is the part that is directed
toward the mast? that with two points or that with an individual long
point?
Thank you, I am quite inexperienced!
Marco- Laboratorio di Psicologia Dott. Masoni
- Via Stromboli,3
- 20144 MILANO - Italy
- Tel. 02 43911114 - 0347 7153486
- Fax. 0243318224 - 0247716682
- email: masoni@...
- "Perciò saranno tutte soltanto nomi Le cose che i mortali hanno
- stabilito, persuasi che fossero vere" (Parmenide 8, 38-39)