Re: Birdwatcher Types
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, canberraraider@h... wrote:
With respect David, how come you sign as canberraraider? Are you an
Aussie in NZ, or a turncoat??? :)
You suggest Birdwatcher. I see others suggest Scooner, as different
from Birdwatcher as chalk and cheese, in which case your brief
covering your needs would be highly suspect.
I understood Birdwatcher is for lakes and sheltered waters. I
imagine it would be quite a frustrating craft in Auckland which
alternates between sloppy calms and the screamers. And hard to see
Scooner working here, unless you are a family of gorillas!
Another suggested Chebacco, which seems to me to be a far more
suitable boat for the Gulf area, and in fact is very similar to
traditional Auckland craft. Similar in concept to Hartley trailer
sailors, but with a lot more character. With suitable ballast, it
would cope very well I would think.
Regards,
Don
> hello all from a very hot and sunny Auckland, New Zealand. The home
> of the ridiculously expensive, yet strangely beautiful and
powerful
> IAC Americas Cup boats. Just saw Prada going past office window out
> to the training waters - even makes a plywood sharpie man like
myself
> stop in awe, as I speak the wonderful Team New Zealand black boats
> are rigging up... enough! I digress...
>
> I am looking at building a beach cruiser type boat, ideally for
camp
> cruising, with sprawl/sleep space for a couple of people,room for
> gear/tents etc, easily trailerable as there are inumerable nice
> lakes, needs to be a support boat for rockclimbing expeditions to
sea
> and lakeside rock faces,also needs to be handy and capable under
sail
> perhaps a small outboard, and most of all have strong character and
> not look like anything else around. Finally while I have assisted
> building a number of boats from Optimists through a 32' ply
> displacement launch this would be my first solo project.
>
> I have considered a birdwatcher, though the space I have to store
it
> next to my house (where my girlfriend currently parks) is about 20'
x
> 6'only. Have also been looking at the Michalak IMB or Petesboat,
then
> have just seen the 18' birdwatcher type by Phil Bolger as posted on
> the site.
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on this type of boat for the uses I
> have mentioned? anyone built one of the michalaks? anyone seen the
> 18' birdwatcher type in action?? any other suggestions??
>
> cheers all,
> David Powell
> PS - just love getting the Bolger digest each day - keep it up!
David,
I agree,the last thing a rockclimber needs is to fall asleep!
Indeed,to successfully navigate near vertical faces ones mind must be
focused,in the zone as it were and ones body must be fit and well
rested.MICROS'"look Ma,no hands!"effortless(mindless?) sailing aspect
joined with her spacious cargo hold ensure that the high adventure
seekers arrive well provisioned and rested.After the days
intoxicating adrenalin rushes have subsided,the warm and cozy cabin
of the MICRO awaits with an inviting berth to stretch out and sooth
muscles tested to near breaking.Later on,a hearty meal can be
prepared out in the cocpit under the gentle gaze of overhead stars
followed by a suitable toast to the Gods of rockclimbers.Still
later,while snuggling in for the night,the gentle lapping of
wavelettes will accompany the well fed and weary climbers' dreams of
tomorrows adventures.......
So,like Stan,I am pretty much forced to offer up my unbiased
suggestion and say"go with a MICRO".But that is only because I
haven't had the pleasure of experiencing the rakish scooner and am
not a rock climbing adventurer......just a bum,really. :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,terribly afeared of heights and enjoyng the near sea-
level view,from the shores of the St.Lawrence.......
I agree,the last thing a rockclimber needs is to fall asleep!
Indeed,to successfully navigate near vertical faces ones mind must be
focused,in the zone as it were and ones body must be fit and well
rested.MICROS'"look Ma,no hands!"effortless(mindless?) sailing aspect
joined with her spacious cargo hold ensure that the high adventure
seekers arrive well provisioned and rested.After the days
intoxicating adrenalin rushes have subsided,the warm and cozy cabin
of the MICRO awaits with an inviting berth to stretch out and sooth
muscles tested to near breaking.Later on,a hearty meal can be
prepared out in the cocpit under the gentle gaze of overhead stars
followed by a suitable toast to the Gods of rockclimbers.Still
later,while snuggling in for the night,the gentle lapping of
wavelettes will accompany the well fed and weary climbers' dreams of
tomorrows adventures.......
So,like Stan,I am pretty much forced to offer up my unbiased
suggestion and say"go with a MICRO".But that is only because I
haven't had the pleasure of experiencing the rakish scooner and am
not a rock climbing adventurer......just a bum,really. :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,terribly afeared of heights and enjoyng the near sea-
level view,from the shores of the St.Lawrence.......
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>
> > I know this will shock all that know me, but in a single word,
> >"MICRO"
>
> He's a climber, for goodness sake. We don't want him to fall asleep
> on the way to the lake side crags. He needs a boat with spirit -- a
> scooner!
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
> 134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, NY 10001
> (212) 243-1636
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, filmokentucky@a... wrote:
Regards
Andy Farquhar
> Hi David. On which site is the eighteen foot Birdwatcher found?Thanks,
> Dan TompkinsIt's in the Files section of this E-Group under "Birdwatcher."
Regards
Andy Farquhar
Perhaps a Chebacco boat? See:
http://www.instantboats.com/chebacco.html
Lots of space in the cockpit, good for beach cruising, very shallow
draft, considerably lighter and easier to trailer than a Micro (and,
IMHO, a whole lot better looking) - OTOH, the beam is 7'-6", so it
may not fit in the space you have. I'd build the plywood lapstrake
version, myself, since I hate sanding fiberglass, but the taped-seam
one is nice too.
http://www.instantboats.com/chebacco.html
Lots of space in the cockpit, good for beach cruising, very shallow
draft, considerably lighter and easier to trailer than a Micro (and,
IMHO, a whole lot better looking) - OTOH, the beam is 7'-6", so it
may not fit in the space you have. I'd build the plywood lapstrake
version, myself, since I hate sanding fiberglass, but the taped-seam
one is nice too.
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, canberraraider@h... wrote:
. . .
> I am looking at building a beach cruiser type boat, ideally for
camp
> cruising, with sprawl/sleep space for a couple of people,room for
> gear/tents etc, easily trailerable as there are inumerable nice
> lakes, needs to be a support boat for rockclimbing expeditions to
sea
> and lakeside rock faces,also needs to be handy and capable under
sail
> perhaps a small outboard, and most of all have strong character and
> not look like anything else around. . . .
Hi David. On which site is the eighteen foot Birdwatcher found? Thanks,
Dan Tompkins
Dan Tompkins
Stan,
Are you in advertising? If not, you've missed your calling.....
Paul Lefebvre
Are you in advertising? If not, you've missed your calling.....
Paul Lefebvre
> I know this will shock all that know me, but in a single word,He's a climber, for goodness sake. We don't want him to fall asleep
>"MICRO"
on the way to the lake side crags. He needs a boat with spirit -- a
scooner!
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
David Powell,
I know this will shock all that know me, but in a single word,
"MICRO" It has space to sleep 4, two inside and two on the cockpit
seats. At 16 feet, it will be no problem for your available parking
space and she will carry all the gear you can load on her.
solid sea worthiness and handling, or the fact that she is the only boat
I know of that is bigger on the inside than on the outside, I won't even
mention its self righting, self rescuing, because, I am not one of those
fanatics always trying to push people into the fact that the Micro is
all the boat that 98% of us will ever need, or that the Micro is the
only boat that I know of that is on display as a work of fine art in a
museum, In fact there are three on display, side by side by side.
Since I don't even own a sailing Micro, my opinions are truly
unbiased.
Stan, of the inboard motor cruiser, Snow Goose; with the Navigator pilot
house with the Birdwatcher top and the Martha Jane sponsons. What can I
say, I like Bolger's designs!
I know this will shock all that know me, but in a single word,
"MICRO" It has space to sleep 4, two inside and two on the cockpit
seats. At 16 feet, it will be no problem for your available parking
space and she will carry all the gear you can load on her.
> and most of all have strong character andHeaven knows the Micro fits that criteria! I wont go into the rock
> not look like anything else around.
solid sea worthiness and handling, or the fact that she is the only boat
I know of that is bigger on the inside than on the outside, I won't even
mention its self righting, self rescuing, because, I am not one of those
fanatics always trying to push people into the fact that the Micro is
all the boat that 98% of us will ever need, or that the Micro is the
only boat that I know of that is on display as a work of fine art in a
museum, In fact there are three on display, side by side by side.
Since I don't even own a sailing Micro, my opinions are truly
unbiased.
Stan, of the inboard motor cruiser, Snow Goose; with the Navigator pilot
house with the Birdwatcher top and the Martha Jane sponsons. What can I
say, I like Bolger's designs!
I would offer, in all seriousness, the light scooner.
It's designed to take a motor, the birdwatcher is not.
I can more easily image climbing out of the scooner, with her lower
profile and deck.
Both boats have strong "character", but I think the scooner is prettier.
The birdwatcher is plenty roomy, but we've test packed our scooner
with gear up front for me, my wife, my baby and my dog, and the four
of us in the back.
The scooner isn't as handy, you can tell that just by looking at the
drawings, but my experience is that too much is made of how
overcanvassed she is. It's true, but if you're a rock climber you'll
enjoy it, and I've had good luck sailing her under foresail alone
when I don't want such a "thrilling" experience. In correspondence
with Mr. Bolger he has concurred that the light scooner can be a very
docile craft if you want her to be.
Lastly, she's very easy to build. I build a teal to get the idea,
then knocked the scooner together the next Summer between surfing, a
trip to Zimbabwe, and taking care of a 6 month old daughter so my
wife could work to buy me epoxy.
YIBB,
David
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
It's designed to take a motor, the birdwatcher is not.
I can more easily image climbing out of the scooner, with her lower
profile and deck.
Both boats have strong "character", but I think the scooner is prettier.
The birdwatcher is plenty roomy, but we've test packed our scooner
with gear up front for me, my wife, my baby and my dog, and the four
of us in the back.
The scooner isn't as handy, you can tell that just by looking at the
drawings, but my experience is that too much is made of how
overcanvassed she is. It's true, but if you're a rock climber you'll
enjoy it, and I've had good luck sailing her under foresail alone
when I don't want such a "thrilling" experience. In correspondence
with Mr. Bolger he has concurred that the light scooner can be a very
docile craft if you want her to be.
Lastly, she's very easy to build. I build a teal to get the idea,
then knocked the scooner together the next Summer between surfing, a
trip to Zimbabwe, and taking care of a 6 month old daughter so my
wife could work to buy me epoxy.
YIBB,
David
>hello all from a very hot and sunny Auckland, New Zealand. The homeCRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
>of the ridiculously expensive, yet strangely beautiful and powerful
>IAC Americas Cup boats. Just saw Prada going past office window out
>to the training waters - even makes a plywood sharpie man like myself
>stop in awe, as I speak the wonderful Team New Zealand black boats
>are rigging up... enough! I digress...
>
>I am looking at building a beach cruiser type boat, ideally for camp
>cruising, with sprawl/sleep space for a couple of people,room for
>gear/tents etc, easily trailerable as there are inumerable nice
>lakes, needs to be a support boat for rockclimbing expeditions to sea
>and lakeside rock faces,also needs to be handy and capable under sail
>perhaps a small outboard, and most of all have strong character and
>not look like anything else around. Finally while I have assisted
>building a number of boats from Optimists through a 32' ply
>displacement launch this would be my first solo project.
>
>I have considered a birdwatcher, though the space I have to store it
>next to my house (where my girlfriend currently parks) is about 20' x
>6'only. Have also been looking at the Michalak IMB or Petesboat, then
>have just seen the 18' birdwatcher type by Phil Bolger as posted on
>the site.
>
>Does anyone have any thoughts on this type of boat for the uses I
>have mentioned? anyone built one of the michalaks? anyone seen the
>18' birdwatcher type in action?? any other suggestions??
>
>cheers all,
>David Powell
>PS - just love getting the Bolger digest each day - keep it up!
>
>
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134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
hello all from a very hot and sunny Auckland, New Zealand. The home
of the ridiculously expensive, yet strangely beautiful and powerful
IAC Americas Cup boats. Just saw Prada going past office window out
to the training waters - even makes a plywood sharpie man like myself
stop in awe, as I speak the wonderful Team New Zealand black boats
are rigging up... enough! I digress...
I am looking at building a beach cruiser type boat, ideally for camp
cruising, with sprawl/sleep space for a couple of people,room for
gear/tents etc, easily trailerable as there are inumerable nice
lakes, needs to be a support boat for rockclimbing expeditions to sea
and lakeside rock faces,also needs to be handy and capable under sail
perhaps a small outboard, and most of all have strong character and
not look like anything else around. Finally while I have assisted
building a number of boats from Optimists through a 32' ply
displacement launch this would be my first solo project.
I have considered a birdwatcher, though the space I have to store it
next to my house (where my girlfriend currently parks) is about 20' x
6'only. Have also been looking at the Michalak IMB or Petesboat, then
have just seen the 18' birdwatcher type by Phil Bolger as posted on
the site.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this type of boat for the uses I
have mentioned? anyone built one of the michalaks? anyone seen the
18' birdwatcher type in action?? any other suggestions??
cheers all,
David Powell
PS - just love getting the Bolger digest each day - keep it up!
of the ridiculously expensive, yet strangely beautiful and powerful
IAC Americas Cup boats. Just saw Prada going past office window out
to the training waters - even makes a plywood sharpie man like myself
stop in awe, as I speak the wonderful Team New Zealand black boats
are rigging up... enough! I digress...
I am looking at building a beach cruiser type boat, ideally for camp
cruising, with sprawl/sleep space for a couple of people,room for
gear/tents etc, easily trailerable as there are inumerable nice
lakes, needs to be a support boat for rockclimbing expeditions to sea
and lakeside rock faces,also needs to be handy and capable under sail
perhaps a small outboard, and most of all have strong character and
not look like anything else around. Finally while I have assisted
building a number of boats from Optimists through a 32' ply
displacement launch this would be my first solo project.
I have considered a birdwatcher, though the space I have to store it
next to my house (where my girlfriend currently parks) is about 20' x
6'only. Have also been looking at the Michalak IMB or Petesboat, then
have just seen the 18' birdwatcher type by Phil Bolger as posted on
the site.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this type of boat for the uses I
have mentioned? anyone built one of the michalaks? anyone seen the
18' birdwatcher type in action?? any other suggestions??
cheers all,
David Powell
PS - just love getting the Bolger digest each day - keep it up!