Re: [bolger] Re: Diablo under construction:
Bolger's original "Fast Motor Sailor" was or is an oversize(wider) Diablo at 25ft and he says that the only complaint was the lack of cabin space, and that this design does well in rougher water. Clyde
Ed Sasser wrote:
Ed Sasser wrote:
> My Diablo came out a little heavy but not due to overbuilding. I used quarter-inch ACX. The weight came from the graphite bottom. Worth every effort with these 25-foot tides in SE Alaska. At the end of season I expected to see gashes thru the 6 oz cloth. Just some white rubs. A little sanding or scotchbrite, a little graphite and back on the trailer. Great boat design. I use a 25 HP Johnson for 30 MPH. Who has done a Diablo Grande?
>
> Ed Sasser
> In the Great Thawed North!
>
> --- "David Jost" <djost@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >Rick,
> > A 15 hp longshaft should do the trick. It does not weigh
> >significantly more than the 10 I use, but will get her up on plane
> >with the added weight. I don't think that the weight you added will
> >hurt her much. that is just a guess. I am a saxophone player, not a
> >naval architect. Take your advise from where it comes.
> > You mentioned a longneck. I had to think twice on that one. Up
> >here in Boston, that would be a type of soft shelled clam called a
> >"steamer" , short necks at quahogs.
> > I got excited there for a minute. I use my Diablo a lot to
> >gather long necks.
> > As for the other long necks, 4 words.
> >Samuel Smiths Oatmeal Stout
> >
> >David Jost
> > "in the Bleak, Bleak, Winter"
> >
> >
> >Bolger rules!!!
> >- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> >- no flogging dead horses
> >- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> >- stay on topic and punctuate
> >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>
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> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
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> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
My Diablo came out a little heavy but not due to overbuilding. I used quarter-inch ACX. The weight came from the graphite bottom. Worth every effort with these 25-foot tides in SE Alaska. At the end of season I expected to see gashes thru the 6 oz cloth. Just some white rubs. A little sanding or scotchbrite, a little graphite and back on the trailer. Great boat design. I use a 25 HP Johnson for 30 MPH. Who has done a Diablo Grande?
Ed Sasser
In the Great Thawed North!
--- "David Jost" <djost@...>
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Ed Sasser
In the Great Thawed North!
--- "David Jost" <djost@...>
> wrote:_____________________________________________________________
>
>Rick,
> A 15 hp longshaft should do the trick. It does not weigh
>significantly more than the 10 I use, but will get her up on plane
>with the added weight. I don't think that the weight you added will
>hurt her much. that is just a guess. I am a saxophone player, not a
>naval architect. Take your advise from where it comes.
> You mentioned a longneck. I had to think twice on that one. Up
>here in Boston, that would be a type of soft shelled clam called a
>"steamer" , short necks at quahogs.
> I got excited there for a minute. I use my Diablo a lot to
>gather long necks.
> As for the other long necks, 4 words.
>Samuel Smiths Oatmeal Stout
>
>David Jost
> "in the Bleak, Bleak, Winter"
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>- no flogging dead horses
>- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>- stay on topic and punctuate
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
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Rick,
A 15 hp longshaft should do the trick. It does not weigh
significantly more than the 10 I use, but will get her up on plane
with the added weight. I don't think that the weight you added will
hurt her much. that is just a guess. I am a saxophone player, not a
naval architect. Take your advise from where it comes.
You mentioned a longneck. I had to think twice on that one. Up
here in Boston, that would be a type of soft shelled clam called a
"steamer" , short necks at quahogs.
I got excited there for a minute. I use my Diablo a lot to
gather long necks.
As for the other long necks, 4 words.
Samuel Smiths Oatmeal Stout
David Jost
"in the Bleak, Bleak, Winter"
A 15 hp longshaft should do the trick. It does not weigh
significantly more than the 10 I use, but will get her up on plane
with the added weight. I don't think that the weight you added will
hurt her much. that is just a guess. I am a saxophone player, not a
naval architect. Take your advise from where it comes.
You mentioned a longneck. I had to think twice on that one. Up
here in Boston, that would be a type of soft shelled clam called a
"steamer" , short necks at quahogs.
I got excited there for a minute. I use my Diablo a lot to
gather long necks.
As for the other long necks, 4 words.
Samuel Smiths Oatmeal Stout
David Jost
"in the Bleak, Bleak, Winter"
Peter,
No, Bolger did not list the displacement for Diablo anywhere on the
plans, that's why I thought I would ask the group before faxing
Bolger. Thanks for the thoughts on finishing details. We have taken
pains to sit and "fish" for a few hours worth of long necks in the
unfinished hull. Need to get the rod holders, fishfinder, mug holder
and other little things like storage worked out. We'll save the wine
consumption for the "how good is a good enough finish" dicussion.
David,
Thanks for your weight. Your tales of Diablo are part of what chose
this design for us. We used 3/8" marine meranti ply for the bilge
panels and topsides, plus 1/2" marine meranti for the bottom and
transom, also the vertical grain douglas fir we used is heavier than
the "house framing fir" that Payson used. Add in the black locust
anchor bitts, the locust anchor chocks and fairleads, the blocked out
gun'wales, and the 4" biaxial tape with the extra epoxy required for
it... all this is adding wieght. I just wanted a base "as designed"
weight for when I do get her on a scale. Maybe we should be looking
at more horsepower?
Ed,
Should get some early construction pics posted next week. We also
considered the "Grande", but it is just to grande for our parking
area.
Rick
No, Bolger did not list the displacement for Diablo anywhere on the
plans, that's why I thought I would ask the group before faxing
Bolger. Thanks for the thoughts on finishing details. We have taken
pains to sit and "fish" for a few hours worth of long necks in the
unfinished hull. Need to get the rod holders, fishfinder, mug holder
and other little things like storage worked out. We'll save the wine
consumption for the "how good is a good enough finish" dicussion.
David,
Thanks for your weight. Your tales of Diablo are part of what chose
this design for us. We used 3/8" marine meranti ply for the bilge
panels and topsides, plus 1/2" marine meranti for the bottom and
transom, also the vertical grain douglas fir we used is heavier than
the "house framing fir" that Payson used. Add in the black locust
anchor bitts, the locust anchor chocks and fairleads, the blocked out
gun'wales, and the 4" biaxial tape with the extra epoxy required for
it... all this is adding wieght. I just wanted a base "as designed"
weight for when I do get her on a scale. Maybe we should be looking
at more horsepower?
Ed,
Should get some early construction pics posted next week. We also
considered the "Grande", but it is just to grande for our parking
area.
Rick