Re: news
Gregg and all:
When the takeover of eGroups by Yahoo! was announced back in early
December and characterized as a merger benefitting users, I drafted
the following flaming response (in part):
"Cut the crap. This is for Yahoo's benefit, not ours. Live chat? Who
the h--- needs it? ... A spade is a spade and a takeover is a
takeover -- and the intended benefit is not ours. What's in it for
us? More advertising, probably through those bloody annoying pop-ups,
pop-downs and pop-ins that are being thrown at us unbidden. This ever-
increasing commercialization of the 'Net has got to stop."
For better or for worse, I never sent this message. I gather by what
some have said here in the past week, no-one at Yahoo! would have
read it anyway, much less heeded it.
I admit that my negative reaction to Yahoo! has always begun with its
peculiar name. My Gage Canadian Dictionary defines 'yahoo' thusly: 1)
in Swift's 'Gulliver's Travels', a type of brute in human shape who
works for a race of intelligent horses. 2) any rough, coarse, or
uncouth person. Why would anyone choose such a name for any
enterprise!?
BUT... If this List moved to another listserver, would we not lose
access to our archive of messages and previous strings? In coming to
the decision to make Surf my first project I learned a lot by running
a search of key words in the messages archive. I sure wouldn't want
to lose access to this resource. And if Yahoo! does begin to besiege
us with pop-ups, there is a remedy: Zone Labs now has introduced a
combination of firewall security and ad-blocking software.
John, in rainy Victoria, where yesterday (O joys of nature!) a hawk
ate a songbird in the trees outside my study window
When the takeover of eGroups by Yahoo! was announced back in early
December and characterized as a merger benefitting users, I drafted
the following flaming response (in part):
"Cut the crap. This is for Yahoo's benefit, not ours. Live chat? Who
the h--- needs it? ... A spade is a spade and a takeover is a
takeover -- and the intended benefit is not ours. What's in it for
us? More advertising, probably through those bloody annoying pop-ups,
pop-downs and pop-ins that are being thrown at us unbidden. This ever-
increasing commercialization of the 'Net has got to stop."
For better or for worse, I never sent this message. I gather by what
some have said here in the past week, no-one at Yahoo! would have
read it anyway, much less heeded it.
I admit that my negative reaction to Yahoo! has always begun with its
peculiar name. My Gage Canadian Dictionary defines 'yahoo' thusly: 1)
in Swift's 'Gulliver's Travels', a type of brute in human shape who
works for a race of intelligent horses. 2) any rough, coarse, or
uncouth person. Why would anyone choose such a name for any
enterprise!?
BUT... If this List moved to another listserver, would we not lose
access to our archive of messages and previous strings? In coming to
the decision to make Surf my first project I learned a lot by running
a search of key words in the messages archive. I sure wouldn't want
to lose access to this resource. And if Yahoo! does begin to besiege
us with pop-ups, there is a remedy: Zone Labs now has introduced a
combination of firewall security and ad-blocking software.
John, in rainy Victoria, where yesterday (O joys of nature!) a hawk
ate a songbird in the trees outside my study window
--- In bolger@y..., "Don and Dianne" <don_dihodges@k...> wrote:
> Gregg,
>
> re:listservers
>
> I have been surfing around looking at listservers, and I haven't
found
> another that is free and provides linked file space. The listserv
at your
> hosting outfit probably just handles the subscription and
distribution - the
> linked files archive seems to be an add-on not widely available,
and reading
> posts in a web browser seems to be useful for some (I don't have the
> patience).
>
> I'm with you; give yahoo a chance. I belong to an investment club
which
> uses one of their private chat rooms for monthly "meetings". It
gets wobbly
> once in a while, but on balance quite a useful service. They
(Yahoo!) are
> trying to do lots of services simultaneously (you probably need a
computer
> to do that!<g>), whereas egroups was focused on one service...
>
> Don Hodges
> www.ECoastLife.com
> Your Emerald Coast Cyber-Vacation
> Small-Boat Building, Fishing, Cruising
Gregg,
re:listservers
I have been surfing around looking at listservers, and I haven't found
another that is free and provides linked file space. The listserv at your
hosting outfit probably just handles the subscription and distribution - the
linked files archive seems to be an add-on not widely available, and reading
posts in a web browser seems to be useful for some (I don't have the
patience).
I'm with you; give yahoo a chance. I belong to an investment club which
uses one of their private chat rooms for monthly "meetings". It gets wobbly
once in a while, but on balance quite a useful service. They (Yahoo!) are
trying to do lots of services simultaneously (you probably need a computer
to do that!<g>), whereas egroups was focused on one service...
Don Hodges
www.ECoastLife.com
Your Emerald Coast Cyber-Vacation
Small-Boat Building, Fishing, Cruising
re:listservers
I have been surfing around looking at listservers, and I haven't found
another that is free and provides linked file space. The listserv at your
hosting outfit probably just handles the subscription and distribution - the
linked files archive seems to be an add-on not widely available, and reading
posts in a web browser seems to be useful for some (I don't have the
patience).
I'm with you; give yahoo a chance. I belong to an investment club which
uses one of their private chat rooms for monthly "meetings". It gets wobbly
once in a while, but on balance quite a useful service. They (Yahoo!) are
trying to do lots of services simultaneously (you probably need a computer
to do that!<g>), whereas egroups was focused on one service...
Don Hodges
www.ECoastLife.com
Your Emerald Coast Cyber-Vacation
Small-Boat Building, Fishing, Cruising
Hi,
Just curious, I know what a spammer is, what is a
troller?
TIA
James Fuller
----- Original Message -----From:jhkohnen@...Sent:Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:31 AMSubject:Re: [bolger] newsGregg-
OK, I'm afraid I misunderstood. Usenet has nothing to do with Dejanews,
it's much older than the World Wide Web, DejaNews just provides one means
of accessing Usenet postings.
Usenet newsgroups have their place (I follow a few), but if we abandon
Yahoo I'd much rather see us move to another mailing list server. The
outfit I use to host my domain has some sort of mailing list handling
available, I think as part of the package I use. I wonder what kind of
bandwidth a mailing list uses? I've got plenty of disk space, but my
bandwidth usage is fairly high.... If anyone's interested, the outfit is:
http://www.hostway.com
For now I think we should give yahoo a chance. I'm troubled by the change,
but moving would be traumatic.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:10:22 -0600, Gregg Carlson wrote:
> Deja does not run listservers (i.e. listbots), which is what we are. We
> are relatively private and on-topic - although anyone can join, trolls and
> spammers can be easily banned. Listservers used to just be individuals who
> volunteered to maintain a large email list and forward email to everyone on
> it. It a lot of work, so listserver services sprang up so that YOU go
> somewhere and maintain your own name.
>
> Deja is Usenet, or at least it's a WWWeb browser overlaying Usenet, more
> commonly read with a Usenet reader program like Free Agent (neither a
> browser nor an email client). Usenet is an open text network like a just
> like a public bulletin board. It's not private or genteel - just post the
> question, "should American cruisers keep guns?" to rec.boats and watch the
> hair fly.
>
> I would be more than happy to discuss moving the list off Yahoo/Egroups if
> we could find a better list server. Listbot has gone commercial mainly, so
> I don't see it as an option. Any others suggestions are welcome.
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
After all, all he did was string together a lot of old, well-known quotations.
<H. L. Mencken on Shakespeare>
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
Gregg-
OK, I'm afraid I misunderstood. Usenet has nothing to do with Dejanews,
it's much older than the World Wide Web, DejaNews just provides one means
of accessing Usenet postings.
Usenet newsgroups have their place (I follow a few), but if we abandon
Yahoo I'd much rather see us move to another mailing list server. The
outfit I use to host my domain has some sort of mailing list handling
available, I think as part of the package I use. I wonder what kind of
bandwidth a mailing list uses? I've got plenty of disk space, but my
bandwidth usage is fairly high.... If anyone's interested, the outfit is:
http://www.hostway.com
For now I think we should give yahoo a chance. I'm troubled by the change,
but moving would be traumatic.
OK, I'm afraid I misunderstood. Usenet has nothing to do with Dejanews,
it's much older than the World Wide Web, DejaNews just provides one means
of accessing Usenet postings.
Usenet newsgroups have their place (I follow a few), but if we abandon
Yahoo I'd much rather see us move to another mailing list server. The
outfit I use to host my domain has some sort of mailing list handling
available, I think as part of the package I use. I wonder what kind of
bandwidth a mailing list uses? I've got plenty of disk space, but my
bandwidth usage is fairly high.... If anyone's interested, the outfit is:
http://www.hostway.com
For now I think we should give yahoo a chance. I'm troubled by the change,
but moving would be traumatic.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:10:22 -0600, Gregg Carlson wrote:
> Deja does not run listservers (i.e. listbots), which is what we are. We
> are relatively private and on-topic - although anyone can join, trolls and
> spammers can be easily banned. Listservers used to just be individuals who
> volunteered to maintain a large email list and forward email to everyone on
> it. It a lot of work, so listserver services sprang up so that YOU go
> somewhere and maintain your own name.
>
> Deja is Usenet, or at least it's a WWWeb browser overlaying Usenet, more
> commonly read with a Usenet reader program like Free Agent (neither a
> browser nor an email client). Usenet is an open text network like a just
> like a public bulletin board. It's not private or genteel - just post the
> question, "should American cruisers keep guns?" to rec.boats and watch the
> hair fly.
>
> I would be more than happy to discuss moving the list off Yahoo/Egroups if
> we could find a better list server. Listbot has gone commercial mainly, so
> I don't see it as an option. Any others suggestions are welcome.
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
After all, all he did was string together a lot of old, well-known quotations.
<H. L. Mencken on Shakespeare>
Deja does not run listservers (i.e. listbots), which is what we are. We
are relatively private and on-topic - although anyone can join, trolls and
spammers can be easily banned. Listservers used to just be individuals who
volunteered to maintain a large email list and forward email to everyone on
it. It a lot of work, so listserver services sprang up so that YOU go
somewhere and maintain your own name.
Deja is Usenet, or at least it's a WWWeb browser overlaying Usenet, more
commonly read with a Usenet reader program like Free Agent (neither a
browser nor an email client). Usenet is an open text network like a just
like a public bulletin board. It's not private or genteel - just post the
question, "should American cruisers keep guns?" to rec.boats and watch the
hair fly.
I would be more than happy to discuss moving the list off Yahoo/Egroups if
we could find a better list server. Listbot has gone commercial mainly, so
I don't see it as an option. Any others suggestions are welcome.
Gregg Carlson
Bolger list moderator
At 11:37 AM 1/31/2001 -0800, you wrote:
are relatively private and on-topic - although anyone can join, trolls and
spammers can be easily banned. Listservers used to just be individuals who
volunteered to maintain a large email list and forward email to everyone on
it. It a lot of work, so listserver services sprang up so that YOU go
somewhere and maintain your own name.
Deja is Usenet, or at least it's a WWWeb browser overlaying Usenet, more
commonly read with a Usenet reader program like Free Agent (neither a
browser nor an email client). Usenet is an open text network like a just
like a public bulletin board. It's not private or genteel - just post the
question, "should American cruisers keep guns?" to rec.boats and watch the
hair fly.
I would be more than happy to discuss moving the list off Yahoo/Egroups if
we could find a better list server. Listbot has gone commercial mainly, so
I don't see it as an option. Any others suggestions are welcome.
Gregg Carlson
Bolger list moderator
At 11:37 AM 1/31/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>What are the existing groups at Deja? I don't have anything listed for them
>in my links list. I wasn't aware that they hosted mailing lists, is that
>new?
>
>On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 04:54:51 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>> I'm with "senorian"! What's wrong with deja? Works better for me.
>>
>> > how about the
>> >group abandoning Yahoo and going to,maybe, deja.Their existing
>> >boating sites operate very nicely.
>>
>> Bill Shenk
>
>
>--
> John <jkohnen@...>
>http://www.boat-links.com/
> The way to fight a woman is with your hat. Grab it and run. <John Barrymore>
>
>
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
>- no flogging dead horses
>- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>- stay on topic and punctuate
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>
>
>
What are the existing groups at Deja? I don't have anything listed for them
in my links list. I wasn't aware that they hosted mailing lists, is that
new?
in my links list. I wasn't aware that they hosted mailing lists, is that
new?
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 04:54:51 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
> I'm with "senorian"! What's wrong with deja? Works better for me.
>
> > how about the
> >group abandoning Yahoo and going to,maybe, deja.Their existing
> >boating sites operate very nicely.
>
> Bill Shenk
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
The way to fight a woman is with your hat. Grab it and run. <John Barrymore>
In a message dated 1/30/2001 7:55:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
weshenk@...writes:
<< 'm with "senorian"! What's wrong with deja? Works better for me.
also am the listholder of the Oldshoe group. I cannot re-register for either
group, and I can't even find the Oldshoe group page, although I still get
mail from both. In addition they don't have a direct email help address, and
they justify the reasons why they don''t!! I might have tried to write for
help with the techniques or I might even have written to express (and attempt
to resolve) the cause of my dissatisfaction, but that route seems to be
intentionally blocked by Yahoo.
Best regards,
Warren
weshenk@...writes:
<< 'm with "senorian"! What's wrong with deja? Works better for me.
> how about theI would support a change-over as well. In addition to the Bolger group, I
>group abandoning Yahoo and going to,maybe, deja.Their existing
>boating sites operate very nicely.
>>
also am the listholder of the Oldshoe group. I cannot re-register for either
group, and I can't even find the Oldshoe group page, although I still get
mail from both. In addition they don't have a direct email help address, and
they justify the reasons why they don''t!! I might have tried to write for
help with the techniques or I might even have written to express (and attempt
to resolve) the cause of my dissatisfaction, but that route seems to be
intentionally blocked by Yahoo.
Best regards,
Warren
I'm with "senorian"! What's wrong with deja? Works better for me.
> how about theBill Shenk
>group abandoning Yahoo and going to,maybe, deja.Their existing
>boating sites operate very nicely.