Re: STORM PETREL vs WWP
As I remember;
WoodenBoat had an article on building a centerboard case that was
based on bolts thru the keel into the actual sides of the trunk. I'm
sure that the concern was leaking at the keel joint, and I don't
remember that it was closed on top.
PHV
WoodenBoat had an article on building a centerboard case that was
based on bolts thru the keel into the actual sides of the trunk. I'm
sure that the concern was leaking at the keel joint, and I don't
remember that it was closed on top.
PHV
--- In bolger@y..., KF4call@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2001 3:37:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> preston@g... writes:
>
> << I've been puzzling
> over the two major issues of water entry through the centerboard
case
> and through the main hatch, neither of which makes any pretence of
> being watertight. . .the hatch can be fixed for not too much, but
I
> haven't come up with an adequate answer for the centerboard trunk
> yet. >>
>
> Within the past two years I saw a table of contents from a
magazine that had
> something in it about building a watertight centerboad case. I
never saw the
> article, just the table of contents. It might have been in either
> "Boatbuilder" or "Wooden Boat". The method was apparently based on
an older
> design. Perhaps the title could have been overly optimistic. I
can't find
> any more info on it, can anyone else help locate it?
> Regards, Warren
In a message dated 2/20/2001 3:37:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
preston@...writes:
<< I've been puzzling
over the two major issues of water entry through the centerboard case
and through the main hatch, neither of which makes any pretence of
being watertight. . .the hatch can be fixed for not too much, but I
haven't come up with an adequate answer for the centerboard trunk
yet. >>
Within the past two years I saw a table of contents from a magazine that had
something in it about building a watertight centerboad case. I never saw the
article, just the table of contents. It might have been in either
"Boatbuilder" or "Wooden Boat". The method was apparently based on an older
design. Perhaps the title could have been overly optimistic. I can't find
any more info on it, can anyone else help locate it?
Regards, Warren
preston@...writes:
<< I've been puzzling
over the two major issues of water entry through the centerboard case
and through the main hatch, neither of which makes any pretence of
being watertight. . .the hatch can be fixed for not too much, but I
haven't come up with an adequate answer for the centerboard trunk
yet. >>
Within the past two years I saw a table of contents from a magazine that had
something in it about building a watertight centerboad case. I never saw the
article, just the table of contents. It might have been in either
"Boatbuilder" or "Wooden Boat". The method was apparently based on an older
design. Perhaps the title could have been overly optimistic. I can't find
any more info on it, can anyone else help locate it?
Regards, Warren
Hi Jim,
I would disagree a little with your comparison of the WWP-15 to the
Storm Petrel. . .I have and love a Potter too, but I think if I had
to be in really tough conditions I might prefer the Storm Petrel.
She can be buttoned up tighter than the Potter, and might really
survive a rolling and be recoverable (though whether or not she'd
have a rig is another matter, eh?). For anything less than sheer
survival though, the Potter suits awfully well. I've been puzzling
over the two major issues of water entry through the centerboard case
and through the main hatch, neither of which makes any pretence of
being watertight. . .the hatch can be fixed for not too much, but I
haven't come up with an adequate answer for the centerboard trunk
yet. The Storm Petrel does not seem like all that good of
a "sailboat" and the Potter really is pretty great. I wonder if
Storm Petrel would handle a little bigger rig. . .with either a
jigger or a jib so she could be made to heave to rather than just
lying a-hull. . .
Ken Preston
Potter-15, Seattle Area
I would disagree a little with your comparison of the WWP-15 to the
Storm Petrel. . .I have and love a Potter too, but I think if I had
to be in really tough conditions I might prefer the Storm Petrel.
She can be buttoned up tighter than the Potter, and might really
survive a rolling and be recoverable (though whether or not she'd
have a rig is another matter, eh?). For anything less than sheer
survival though, the Potter suits awfully well. I've been puzzling
over the two major issues of water entry through the centerboard case
and through the main hatch, neither of which makes any pretence of
being watertight. . .the hatch can be fixed for not too much, but I
haven't come up with an adequate answer for the centerboard trunk
yet. The Storm Petrel does not seem like all that good of
a "sailboat" and the Potter really is pretty great. I wonder if
Storm Petrel would handle a little bigger rig. . .with either a
jigger or a jib so she could be made to heave to rather than just
lying a-hull. . .
Ken Preston
Potter-15, Seattle Area
--- In bolger@y..., Jim Goeckermann <jim@s...> wrote:
> Don,
> I appreciate your insights about Storm Petrol. The more I looked
at it,
> the clearer it becomes that I have one in the back yard. It says
West
> Wight Potter 15 on it, and the access to the cabin is far more
practical,
> but the staunch little "I-think-I-can character is all there.
> Jim
> >BIG SNIP HERE>>>
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> > - no flogging dead horses
> > - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> > - stay on topic and punctuate
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
Don,
I appreciate your insights about Storm Petrol. The more I looked at it,
the clearer it becomes that I have one in the back yard. It says West
Wight Potter 15 on it, and the access to the cabin is far more practical,
but the staunch little "I-think-I-can character is all there.
Jim
PS. These come around for less that $2000 frequently - mine was $800 with
a trailer and good sails (admittedly a great deal). These little boats
were originally wooden, and are amazingly seaworthy with legends and
adventures enough to get anyone in deep trouble! If you can see one in
person without saying it is absolutely "cute", you have no soul. See the
following if this interests you.
http://potter-yachters.org/
http://www.westwightpotter.com/
Don Elliott wrote:
I appreciate your insights about Storm Petrol. The more I looked at it,
the clearer it becomes that I have one in the back yard. It says West
Wight Potter 15 on it, and the access to the cabin is far more practical,
but the staunch little "I-think-I-can character is all there.
Jim
PS. These come around for less that $2000 frequently - mine was $800 with
a trailer and good sails (admittedly a great deal). These little boats
were originally wooden, and are amazingly seaworthy with legends and
adventures enough to get anyone in deep trouble! If you can see one in
person without saying it is absolutely "cute", you have no soul. See the
following if this interests you.
http://potter-yachters.org/
http://www.westwightpotter.com/
Don Elliott wrote:
> Philip Bolger in an article on this boat said "Seaworthiness is
> defined as the ability to keep the sea in all conditions" This boat
> will roll around and around and always end up right side up.
> Take a look at the following sketch, there a great deal going on
> there.
>http://www.tomah.com/delliott/stormpetrel.jpg
>
> The real boat is the six foot center section. The hatch cover
> latches from the outside and inside. It has enough flotation material
> to allow the boat to still be sailed with it completely flooded. The
> keel is a steel plate 3/8 of an inch thick, it actually makes the
> boat stronger.
> The foward locker is free-flooding, which means it has a couple
> of holes to let water in and out. The aft cockpit has a tight drain
> plug to let the water out if it gets in.
> Philip classifies it as a motor sailor if the optionial motor is
> used as its sail rig is too weak for the boat.
> To me it seem the stern is to broad for a sea boat, other than
> that it a good seaworthy boat. Mr.Bolger believes its a good-looking
> boat, but he has strange tastes in boats, to me I like its looks. But
> I might admire it sea-keeping ability more. Don
>
> This post has been posted on my new E-group and I am reposting it
> here for the Bolger E-group members, I am hoping the members here
> will check out this new E-group it's called Small boats...It's at:
>
>http://www.egroups.com/group/Smallboats
>
> It would only be of interest to the small Bolger boats and the site
> is more focused on boats that are paddled, rowed or sailed in size up
> to eigthteen feet. It's about there development and safety.If that is
> an area that is of your interest please sign up and enjoy. Don
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
