March 2004
Re: [bolger] Bow fillets [was 23' Diesel Cruiser.] (15 messages)
Mon Mar 01 2004
Actually they don t slap as much as you might think. The bow rises just enough to clear the waterline but no higher. This stops a lot of the wave from
Re: Fixing is nearly as fun as building (2 messages)
Tue Mar 02 2004
I m glad you like working with epoxy and wood because we are all in great anticipation of the I60. - Peter
Re: [bolger] Lapstrake Diablo? (4 messages)
Tue Mar 02 2004
I put a picture of a Shivaree [copied from MAIB] at: http://hallman.org/bolger/648/
finally we have water! (1 message)
Tue Mar 02 2004
here in Kalgoorlie ,western Australia we finally have a lake to sail on after 2 1/2 years of dry stuff. Our beloved Lake Douglas, really a small dam, has
Re: [bolger] folding schooner bits (2 messages)
Tue Mar 02 2004
... Well, I am impressed. How big were the swells?
Re: [bolger] Re: pics from first PDRacer (bolger brick) (3 messages)
Wed Mar 03 2004
Just a nit, but (according to Sail It Flat, the bible of Sunfish racing) there never was a Sunfish with as little as the official 70 sq. ft. The early sails
Re: [bolger] Re: Interesting engine (24 messages)
Wed Mar 03 2004
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Off, but only slightly (1 message)
Wed Mar 03 2004
My friend Peter and I were discussing Bolger boats over the weekend as he d like to build a simple and quick skiff. The talked turned to his current boat, a
Re: Wm Garden Livaboard Scow (3 messages)
Wed Mar 03 2004
... Patrick, Pretty much the entire text,as it appears in Gardens book Yacht Designs II,is what you see in the files over in Bolger2. Her specs are as follows:
Crab Skiff ( or Surf ) photos? (1 message)
Thu Mar 04 2004
I am about to launch my Surf, and have been looking on the web for photographs of other Surfs. I did find some nice photos here in Bolger (files). Can anyone
RE: 'Scaling Up' (1 message)
Thu Mar 04 2004
Jason, I liked the Rubens Nymph just as she was. However, Bolger has made some comments to the effect that almost any boat, . . . could use a little more
Re: punt or ruben's nymph? (2 messages)
Fri Mar 05 2004
If you mean better = more capable, I think the Rubens would win hands down. I had a punt for many years, and it is pretty minimal. DonB
Re: Japanese beach cruiser? Thanks (4 messages)
Fri Mar 05 2004
The Jap Beach Cruiser is also a design featured in BOATS WITH AN OPEN MIND by Bolger. There are several more graphics detailing sail layouts and some
Re: scaling up (1 message)
Fri Mar 05 2004
My answer on scaling up a boat was based on scaling up ALL the dimensions equally. I assumed that stretching the boat would ruin all the panel expansions and
Re: scaling up a boat?......attn: lincoln ross (23 messages)
Fri Mar 05 2004
... Probably MAIB (Messing Around in Boats, and I m sure a bit of web surfing will find the contact info), which I believe sells back issues. I bet if you
BWaOM was Japanese beach cruiser? (2 messages)
Fri Mar 05 2004
For someone with your level of enthusiasm, BWaOM would definitely be worth ordering from Amazon. It s a wonderful book. Unless you are a fellow victim of
Re: 2x scale Nymph (1 message)
Sat Mar 06 2004
Ask for MAIB Volume 18, #2; June 1, 2000. Or contact PB&F. Nymph Cubed Design #527 15 6 x 7 0 x 10 6 1800 pounds displacement ... We got out a set of
Re: [bolger] Lake Launch (the small one, 15'6") (2 messages)
Sat Mar 06 2004
Justin, Neat boat! Justin Meddock wrote: Has anyone built/seen/used the 15 6 X 4 1 lake launch in the files section power sharpies
Re: what's the best way to save weight when building a boat? (2 messages)
Sat Mar 06 2004
Well, most of my weight saving experience is with model planes, but I did design and build a pram which came out within a couple of pounds of what I expected,
Re: [bolger] Gypsy modifications (48 messages)
Sun Mar 07 2004
Great description, Garth. I am heading up to Mount Rainier in a few minutes so I ll digest this more later. From what part of the country/world do you hail?
Re: [bolger] I broke down and ordered a set of old shoe plans! (10 messages)
Sun Mar 07 2004
... Sounds like an expensive keel. You might consider using polyester resin, or concrete... Bruce Fountain Senior Software Engineer Union Switch & Signal
Re: [bolger] motor well and stern hung rudder.... (2 messages)
Sun Mar 07 2004
... It is easier said than done, of course, but I recommmend following the plans accurately. So often, changes to PCB s plans have unintended consequences.
Re: saving weight? (5 messages)
Sun Mar 07 2004
Do both! Your boat will be more durable that way, too. Also, in some boats, such as Nymph, it makes sense to beef up the gunwhales and remove the bulkheads
Re: Light Schooner/scooner? (13 messages)
Mon Mar 08 2004
... people who were almost impressed until it happened1 ... too right! we even camp in itin the driveway at home. cheers paul
Re: "Step" Sneakeasy (5 messages)
Mon Mar 08 2004
There are also pics of a Sneakeasy in Alaska w a PCB sketched forward cockpit. That is a flatbottom version. Combining the pit w the step version may not
2x scale nymph, etc (1 message)
Mon Mar 08 2004
Guys, First I apologize for not Snipping a lot of the prelude - but it is valid to my suggestion . While not a sailboat {and neither is Nymph - too much
Re: 'Pure PCB ' and other things (1 message)
Mon Mar 08 2004
Davy boy, To para-phrase, there s something about, Old sailors . . . and . . . Bold sailors , that seems appropriate, here. For someone who mentions
Re: [bolger] Weekend boat building report: (2 messages)
Mon Mar 08 2004
Bruce Of course you documented all of this in glorious color photographs to share with the group--right? John bruce@hallman.org wrote: Not all boat building
Re: home made sails (2 messages)
Mon Mar 08 2004
i am glad someone else has economies to consider when sail-making. i have an elegant punt, and made a lugsail for that from two kingsize bedsheets which i
Re: june bug question (7 messages)
Tue Mar 09 2004
June Bug is indeed very easy to build. Bee-Held, my JB was built in a very cramped workspace, appox. 6 ft width of shop floor space. I won t do that again,
RE: RE: Pure PCB... (9 messages)
Tue Mar 09 2004
Note that those are TWO DIFFERENT exceptions.
Re: [bolger] Re: Re: Albacore (11 messages)
Tue Mar 09 2004
Yeah, that happened sometimes too. It s just that the other way was sure to lose. (I was 40 and spent my days at a desk. The competition was 19 and ran track
Racing was Re: Re: Re: Albacore (1 message)
Wed Mar 10 2004
Well, I raced enough to notice that the obsessive guys had most of the luck, somehow. I remember in the Novice Regatta , out of 5 races I came in last twice
Re: Yuloh's and salient keels [was] (9 messages)
Wed Mar 10 2004
Thank you Peter; that was the place. As to be expected with Bolger, salient used meaningfully. cheers Derek
Re: sailmakers ? (2 messages)
Thu Mar 11 2004
You may also want to Check with Bohndel sails in Rockport ME. They cut a lot of Bolger sails and gave me a good price on the set (main & mizzen ) for the
Re: NJ, Water Van Photos (3 messages)
Thu Mar 11 2004
... I like it! Somehow the monochromatic, almost military grey paint color looks just right . Kind of like a floating tank. Worth mentioning, the Yahoo
unfinished business: Seabird keel (1 message)
Thu Mar 11 2004
I didn t have the drawing in front of me when I posted the other day. BWAOM clearly shows that Seabird 86 has free-flooding volumes fore and aft of the
Re: Surf builders/sailors? (2 messages)
Thu Mar 11 2004
... with ... My ... looking ... Hi Richard, If you search back through the group postings you will find a number of threads concerning Surf , but not a lot.
Re: Re: Document (1 message)
Fri Mar 12 2004
Your document is attached. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
A possible spam infection (1 message)
Fri Mar 12 2004
In this morning s email I received an email with the subject line Your document apparently from the Bolger group. Since I trust the Bolger group as a source,
Re: Best place to order clear vertical grain lumber... (17 messages)
Fri Mar 12 2004
I would guess that a safety factor of one would mean that the mast was just strong enough to knock down the boat. You d want a little more for waves hitting
Re: cheap chip brushes and epoxy (3 messages)
Fri Mar 12 2004
... a ... Lincoln, Never underestimate the obsessions of the truly sick and lost souls of amateur boatbuilders.........some say it is a condition worse then
Re: [bolger] Re: Brushes and Epoxy (11 messages)
Sat Mar 13 2004
I want to thank everyone for their responses. A lot of good ideas which I ll try. Especially the vinegar which I had not thought of : ) Wr, Tim ...
Re: [bolger] Re: micro/oldshoe keel?.......Nels must tell (27 messages)
Sat Mar 13 2004
offer it for sale on ebay as a project boat
Re: Auroco Ply Update (5 messages)
Sun Mar 14 2004
Parr Lumber in Portland, Oregon. I doubt it would be worth retail shipping, even to Seattle. You can probably find something else. Or ask who s Parr s
Re: William Gardner Live aboard Scow (2 messages)
Sun Mar 14 2004
If you ever have a camera in the car when you drive by, you might stop for a minute and take a couple pictures. I suspect quite a few of us would appreciate
Re: [bolger] Re: seabird beam and length? (9 messages)
Sun Mar 14 2004
... I poured in multiple layers, and I found that if the layer going on top had sufficient thermal mass, it melted itself into the bottom layer. IE, I poured
aluminum (1 message)
Mon Mar 15 2004
thanks for the reply on bedding SS in epoxy. Not to beat the subject to death but would anyone have an idea on the feasibility of bedding, actually
Re: [bolger] Interesting Bolgeresque Designs (2 messages)
Mon Mar 15 2004
... I don t think Bolger would chose that sail rig for that hull.
Re: [bolger] epoxy (4 messages)
Mon Mar 15 2004
Well, I m glad I don t have the dilemma. Kern Hendricks warns that the bolts will break near where they emerge from the epoxy. Most designs involving lead
Third Anual Keystone Messabout (1 message)
Mon Mar 15 2004
http://www.chebacco.com/keystone/index.html Chebacco Richard - http://www.chebacco.com http://www.richardspelling.com
re: wood mast advantage (1 message)
Mon Mar 15 2004
Tapered wood masts are much lighter where it counts: near the top. Even for a small boat this difference is pretty noticable when you re handling it. I can
Re: [bolger] April California Messabout (2 messages)
Tue Mar 16 2004
Bad link, try here; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CA_Delta_Messabout/ ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Sneakeasy Stem (4 messages)
Tue Mar 16 2004
As I remember the plywood sides attach to the outside of the stem and go all the way to the front-almost touching each other at the front. Then you round off
Alaskan yellow cedar (6 messages)
Wed Mar 17 2004
Thanks for all the posts. No need to feel anything like a twinge of envy. WHen I went to bunnings they didnt even know it was in the catalogue. Funnily we
Re: Schedule 40 AL tubing for spars & spar weight. (20 messages)
Wed Mar 17 2004
... my Trilars. It s heavier than schedule 40 and thicker walled. It was special ordered and cost $93.00. I m not sure what it weights but it certainly not
Re: Never built? (6 messages)
Wed Mar 17 2004
... ? ... by ... How To Build A Wooden Boat, by David Bud McIntosh. A wonderful book with some of the clearest writing I ve come across explaining the whole
Re: Lead/ Steel/Picara Bottom (18 messages)
Wed Mar 17 2004
I would measure the curvature and prebend the steel. Once you get really close you can selectively heat the steel to add or subtract bend. The steel shrinks
Re: dutchman ... (16 messages)
Wed Mar 17 2004
A 63 of Illinois displacement would take some big party to turn over. IMO the center spine/keel made of several layers of ply would be glued up resting in a
Re: sailmakers? (17 messages)
Wed Mar 17 2004
I looked at the sail plan on a website---wild. Looks more like a junk than anything, easy to build, minimal shaping. Go for 4.5oz dacron, 5 if you want to go
Re: Thru the hull view of the wateryworld... (4 messages)
Thu Mar 18 2004
I m sure it s very feasible to put in a water window, but unless you live in Grand Cayman or something, why would you want to? It s usually murky and dull down
Re: [bolger] Re: Thru the hull viewing of the watery world... (3 messages)
Thu Mar 18 2004
Please dont use tempered glass if you do it is liable to shatter, lexan would be better, a hockey puck would make short work of tempered glass but it takes a
boat covers? (1 message)
Thu Mar 18 2004
Some long time ago I think I remember seeing a painting of a Coast Guard rowing rescue boat in a storm. This boat, I believe, had covers laced onto it I assume
Re: New Folding Schooner in the works, the Origami! (9 messages)
Thu Mar 18 2004
Go there and download the mast.zip file. It s located right underneath the Shareware for boat design section. http://www.carlsondesign.com/#Fun_Shareware It
New web address... (1 message)
Fri Mar 19 2004
http://www.eatmydust.net/schoonerorigami/index.html No more bandwith issues there..!
Re: new micro photos (9 messages)
Sat Mar 20 2004
Peter - It was I the eternal optimist that stated she might not be that much more work. However, you are correct that there is a lot of internal carpentry
thanx ... (1 message)
Sun Mar 21 2004
This dutchie just wanted to say thanks! to all here who took the trouble to respond to my question. Wow ! that really was a lot of info to go through ...
Re: Bolger's Champlain glass house outboard cruiser... (3 messages)
Sun Mar 21 2004
... Bruce, It s closer to 50 sheets of 1/2 .......... Peter Lenihan
Red Zinger wannabees (1 message)
Sun Mar 21 2004
Peter, As much as I admire Red Zinger also, I must advise you towards the AS39. After enjoying the palatial accomodations of your beloved Windemere for a few
Red Zinger (was Re: new micro photos) (1 message)
Mon Mar 22 2004
Peter, et al: I was on-board the original Red Zinger just once when I bought her mast from builder Dr Richard Zapf... now mind you, she was under winter-tarp
Re: Taped Seams Concern/Boat Status (21 messages)
Mon Mar 22 2004
If the epoxy hasn t been setting all that long, a cabinet scraper or a blade removed from a hand plane can do a nice job of knocking off those runs. No dust,
Re: [bolger] Re: Taped seam - Epoxy 'chunks' removal (2 messages)
Mon Mar 22 2004
Different strokes, I guess. I dislike the Surform s tendency to clog & dull. For me, THE tool, at least for coarse wood shaping, is the shoemaker s rasp;
Re: Cost of Sails & Paint for Gypsy (9 messages)
Mon Mar 22 2004
Tim, I concur with Paul, I bought What was labled Polyurethane Floor and porch paint. It has done a great job, the finish on my gypsy is good but not as good
Re: Thanks! (1 message)
Tue Mar 23 2004
Your document is attached. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Fiddler II/Fiddling Around (21 messages)
Tue Mar 23 2004
That would fit visually. I ve read Bolger s essay from MAIB, Dec 1, 98, about live aboard squatting and tend to agree that the barge would attract to much
Re: [bolger] Re: Micro Seagull outboard (9 messages)
Tue Mar 23 2004
Postwar British machinery isn t so bad, they used all kinds of funny threads, but only two sets of wrenches, Whitworth and standard inch sizes, will fit
Re: [bolger] Digest Number 1945 (1 message)
Wed Mar 24 2004
... Actually, that s not correct. From an engineering standpoint, if you re dealing with a core and two strong sheet of epoxy-glass, then swiss cheesiness
Re: [bolger] Re: OT Firefox vs. photos (3 messages)
Wed Mar 24 2004
... Sorry about the late response, I have been on vacation. I am using Mac OS 10.3.3. Thanks for the post. It sounds like I have done something stupid to
Re: Re: inboard engine (13 messages)
Wed Mar 24 2004
Sorry, but there seem to be lots and lots of designs masquerading as Seabright Skiffs . The one shown in Chappelle s book, if converted to inboard instead of
Re: Air drying boatbuilding wood (was RE: appropiate use for salvaged redwood) (19 messages)
Wed Mar 24 2004
you bet - If it s not too much trouble. Thanks! Frank ... boats. ... 3 you ... are in a
Re: The Blue Tube... (2 messages)
Wed Mar 24 2004
... 1/2 MDO ought to bend to the rocker ok, shouldn t it (3 rocker in forward 8 feet)? Yep, no problem. Bruce Hector
Re: wood for framing, spars and oars? hearn hardwords (5 messages)
Wed Mar 24 2004
That has got to be the best lumberyard i have ever seen. I ve never even heard of some of those tropical hardwoods. 4500 year old bog oak salvaged from a
making epoxy/glass/carbon spars (1 message)
Wed Mar 24 2004
Found this site on laminating spars: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/3387/mast.htm and it looks easy, messy but relatively easy. Could get expensive i d like
Re: [bolger] PB's BWAOM comments on sailing the instant sharpies (3 messages)
Thu Mar 25 2004
If you like Windsprint, then you should build one. They are really pretty good sailers. Mine wouldn t keep up with the local Thistle fleet, but it did just
Re: [bolger] quotes for marine ply and 2 sided mdo and other stuff (2 messages)
Thu Mar 25 2004
My vote is to buy MDO and skip glassing anything but butt joints. You ll save over $400 worth of aggravation with this over the lesser grades, no joking. ...
Re: mast lumber? (7 messages)
Fri Mar 26 2004
Hi Paul, If not too much trouble, I d love to check out your bird s mouth booms and see if I m doing anything wrong so far with mine... I m in Hyannis Roger
Re: [bolger] Re: inboard engines - gasoline (14 messages)
Fri Mar 26 2004
... I had been thinking of a cone shaped waterproof fabric, but the velcro, and the replaceable screen is a clever idea. Thanks. When motoring, you want to
[bolger] Re: PB's Comments on the Instant Sailing Sharpies? (4 messages)
Fri Mar 26 2004
... My sister is having a sunrise wedding on the beach this Summer. I had the idea that if conditions permit (Southern Cali could be flat as a lake or
Re: [bolger] Re: search feature on yahoo groups? (5 messages)
Fri Mar 26 2004
... Which worked back then, and has quit working now. Google Inc., now fat, happy, and no longer working...
Re: plywood? (45 messages)
Fri Mar 26 2004
... *********************************** Hi All, Another, very similar product to check out is Apple Ply from States Industries in Eugene, Oregon. It is also
Re: [bolger] Digest Number 1950 (1 message)
Fri Mar 26 2004
... I used it for transoms in my daughter s boat cradle. It was excellent, but that boat will never go outside or in the water. Chris Crandall
Re: State Series ----> Cabin Clam Skiff, now Illinois?? (31 messages)
Fri Mar 26 2004
Illinois can be seen at the following link. My thanks to Mr. Hallman. http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Illinois/ Don Schultz ... lines. ... amable. ... for ...
DANCER Variations on a Bolger Theme (1 message)
Fri Mar 26 2004
With some talk of Windsprint as of late, I figure it is time to do my write up of my ideas of a bigger replacement for Windsprint. I have drawn the basic
Re: Filling in the State Series, was: neural mass (16 messages)
Sat Mar 27 2004
I m looking ahead also. Of course living space is a very personal choice, but this isn t a project I d sign up for. I see Illinois and Puffer as true live
Re: hollowed vs. birdsmouth vs. box mast (6 messages)
Sat Mar 27 2004
... wrote: I m trying to figure out wich route to take on ... Jason, It has been awhile since I built the spars for my ex-Micro LESTAT
Re: MICRO Building? (2 messages)
Sat Mar 27 2004
... from ... I forgot to mention that there is also an excellent article on building an Oldshoe as well, including pouring the keel. But this article is in
Re: [bolger] school Elegant Punt project (2 messages)
Sun Mar 28 2004
Nice that they re building boats, but I m not sure if plywood construction qualifies as an ancient art! Where s my skilsaw... -David ... -- C.E.P. 415 W.46th
New Bolger4 photo and file group (1 message)
Sun Mar 28 2004
I was about to post some pics of Pelican and a Tampa Microtrawler to Bolger3, but it said it was over 98% full. Afraid I might cause the whole photo section to
Re: Still more MDO (4 messages)
Mon Mar 29 2004
... outerlayer and ... 3/8 MDO as ... Check the materials carefully if you go this route. 3/8 ply is usually 11/32 . 1/4 ply generally runs close to 5/16
Re: Rondo II (57 messages)
Mon Mar 29 2004
Got my lines crossed Peter. I did mean Black Skimmer - the one Don B was speaking of here in NZ - her name is Skipjack. And as Don said, she does have a
Microbilia:-) (1 message)
Mon Mar 29 2004
For new MICRO buyers... Andrew Pryer from Australia has this website on building a LONG MICRO and he includes some cost estimates in Aus $ which is about the
Martha Jane (updated version) for sale? (1 message)
Mon Mar 29 2004
Hello boat fans - I haven t been getting to the coast as much as I used to, and my Martha Jane rAmBuNcTiOuS is sitting for all but a few days each year.
MDO Still (1 message)
Mon Mar 29 2004
Hi All, Jason, no I am not building the Silver Gull. I do like the looks but I need shallow, shallow draft. I have ordered a set of plans from H.H. Payson for
MDO for highway sign (1 message)
Mon Mar 29 2004
Hey Bryan, I just looked up Crezon MDO. I believe Olympia was the first one and they had some very specific recommendations as to edge sealing and what kind of
Re: Another MDO question (6 messages)
Tue Mar 30 2004
If I was doing it and had a table saw, I d be tempted to rip some strips of any old half decent, gluable wood and glue them on the plywood edges. Then I d just
Re: Gloucester '04 (6 messages)
Tue Mar 30 2004
I sent Phil and Susanne a fax asking about their preferred dates, but haven t heard back yet. I m not sure the fax went through so if I don t hear from them
FMS (1 message)
Tue Mar 30 2004
Are there any Fast Motor Sailer builders out there? I m interested in the design and would like to see some photos. Especially lines drawings and interior
RE: [bolger] ordering the navigator upgrade sheet? (2 messages)
Tue Mar 30 2004
Jason, you won t have the problem with PB&F that you had with CSD. They are typically very prompt in their responses. Paul Lefebvre ... From: smithriverranger
A note on common sense designs (1 message)
Tue Mar 30 2004
This is going to be a bit negitive but this is my experience with common sense designs: A couple of years ago i ordered a set of brick plans online from CSD i
Re: MICRO KEEL PATTERN (7 messages)
Tue Mar 30 2004
... Hi Nels, Yes,the chines were slightly beefed up to take the fastenings without fear of having the prescribed 3/4 square chines split. As for the steaming
Re: micro modifications (11 messages)
Tue Mar 30 2004
... could nt ... beast ... Hi Jason, My original plan was to build a MICRO and I have the plans. Then while enjoying it I had plans for a larger part-time
Re: stupid little bubbles in my epoxy! (8 messages)
Wed Mar 31 2004
... This is where it pays to noit use dispossible brushes. Or really to not dispose of brushes that you use. Get a coffee can, and trim the handle till it